About voting for ron paul

medicineman

medicineman

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WillieNelson said:
I would support Obama for President of the the Cotton Pickers Association.
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I'm smelling some fascist racism here. Hey Willie, where's your white sheet? You must be one rich asshole, eh. Can afford to pay for all your medical and send your kids to private schools and then fuck everyone else that hasn't had the breaks you've had, BAH! We need to take a state and put all you fascist dorkwads into it and fence it off from the rest of society, to protect you from the wrath, then tax you to tears.
 
WillieNelson

WillieNelson

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Why would you tax self-driven, model Americans to tears? The racism was a joke mind you. What happened to the idea of working hard for what you want? Its odd that in 2008 people now hate hard working profesionals that don't feel like supporting their incompetent, lazy "fellow Americans". I was never given any handouts. I paid my own way through college by running a trapline and working as an electrian's apprentice. After college I went into business myself and dealt with my lumps without social handouts. If our schools would teach self-reliance instead of systematic dependance, I could support them. Why should I support the ignorant because I am intelligant enough to make my own dime? As I look at my friends and colleauges, I notice that as intelligence goes up, the level of breeding goes down. How about you personally stop the ignorant from breeding before you ask me to start giving handouts!
 
medicineman

medicineman

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WillieNelson said:
Why would you tax self-driven, model Americans to tears? The racism was a joke mind you. What happened to the idea of working hard for what you want? Its odd that in 2008 people now hate hard working profesionals that don't feel like supporting their incompetent, lazy "fellow Americans". I was never given any handouts. I paid my own way through college by running a trapline and working as an electrian's apprentice. After college I went into business myself and dealt with my lumps without social handouts. If our schools would teach self-reliance instead of systematic dependance, I could support them. Why should I support the ignorant because I am intelligant enough to make my own dime? As I look at my friends and colleauges, I notice that as intelligence goes up, the level of breeding goes down. How about you personally stop the ignorant from breeding before you ask me to start giving handouts!
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Believe me, I have dealt with ignorance on momentous levels in my life, and for that matter, I still am. Ignorance can be cured by schooling, but stupidity cannot. I also deal with stupid people on a daily basis. I don't try and educate them as it is a lesson in futility as you may have noticed on this site, although I have tried and failed, I don't quite have the patience for it anymore. I now either ignore them or just taunt them as their intelligence quotient is below significant levels for understanding. Life is about more than monetary values, although we both know it is certainly better to have money than be broke. How much do you need I guess is the question, and the answer seems to be, it's never enough. If Avarice and Greed could be eliminated from the society, I believe we could still survive. I realize that is not on the table at this point in time, maybe in the future, if there is one.
 
WillieNelson

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If families stayed together and supported each other the country would be in better shape. Two generations ago, if you were laid off from your job, your family would help you out untill you got back on your feet if you didn't have a nest egg to fall back on. Now everyone expects a handout to cover their ass. We spend more and more money on education and test scores drop. If the past 20 years of standardized testing(also a social expense) in public schools haven't shown an increase in math and science scores, more $ won't fix the problem. Taxpayers(employed workers) should not be supporting the unemployed and incompitent, EVER! If you can't afford to eduacte your children, then don't have children. Is this concept that hard to understand?
 
medicineman

medicineman

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WillieNelson said:
If families stayed together and supported each other the country would be in better shape. Two generations ago, if you were laid off from your job, your family would help you out untill you got back on your feet if you didn't have a nest egg to fall back on. Now everyone expects a handout to cover their ass. We spend more and more money on education and test scores drop. If the past 20 years of standardized testing(also a social expense) in public schools haven't shown an increase in math and science scores, more $ won't fix the problem. Taxpayers(employed workers) should not be supporting the unemployed and incompitent, EVER! If you can't afford to eduacte your children, then don't have children. Is this concept that hard to understand?
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I don't for one minute believe that you see this as a viable solution for our dillema. People don't think about those things like a machine. "People" are fallible, they fall in love, have sex and as a result they have offspring. Not too many people that I've ever known stopped to think when their dick was hard, How am I going to educate this child if there is one. This is just the human condition and it is world wide. To really believe that every couple should plan for every minute of their life and their childrens life is just beyond human expectations. Maybe you are that type of individual. That in itself does not make you a superior human being. In fact, in my humble opinion, it makes you less than human. More along the lines of robotics. Believe it or not, Emotions are a healthy part of the human experience. Without them, you are subject to explode upon contact, not that I'd expect you to have much contact. If you believe you are the Perfect Human, then you have my condolences, visions of grandeur and such. But if you understand the fallacies of humanity, then Kudos, You are a member of the human race, and belong to all the infirmity.
 
joepro

joepro

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WillieNelson said:
Taxpayers(employed workers) should not be supporting the unemployed and incompitent
While things might be going good for you today, you dont know what the future will bring.....you might need a handout one day and if that hand out means saving ur company/house/car then so be it.

Ive never takin a dime, ive earned everything I have but its good to know that if shit happens(jobless, house fire, ect)that there are goverment programs to help.
help is for the needy not the greedy, tho its hard to tell whos who.
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WillieNelson

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I understand that problems occur, thats why people need to personally plan for the future. I keep a private insurance policy on my house and have set aside enough assets(cash, gold and silver...) to support me in case of need. If you had the money you paid into tax and saved or invested it, you would probably be better off. Or you could keep supporting the social programs through your tax money and never see a return on your investment. I also know that if I needed help my family would help me get back on my feet.
 
WillieNelson

WillieNelson

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medicineman said:
I don't for one minute believe that you see this as a viable solution for our dillema. People don't think about those things like a machine. "People" are fallible, they fall in love, have sex and as a result they have offspring. Not too many people that I've ever known stopped to think when their dick was hard, How am I going to educate this child if there is one. This is just the human condition and it is world wide. To really believe that every couple should plan for every minute of their life and their childrens life is just beyond human expectations. Maybe you are that type of individual. That in itself does not make you a superior human being. In fact, in my humble opinion, it makes you less than human. More along the lines of robotics. Believe it or not, Emotions are a healthy part of the human experience. Without them, you are subject to explode upon contact, not that I'd expect you to have much contact. If you believe you are the Perfect Human, then you have my condolences, visions of grandeur and such. But if you understand the fallacies of humanity, then Kudos, You are a member of the human race, and belong to all the infirmity.
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I would like to see one working couple that couldn't afford to take care of their child alone. By "couple" I mean the two people that had the baby. It takes two to tango and those two can create enought income. One person can take care of their own child if they are forced to, but we support people for making bad decisions. The one accidental baby in your example is covered. After the first, people should know that sex leads to babies. How can you defend the ghetto-trash mother of 8. I doubt she had eight incredible moments of passion. I shouldn't be forced to support the trash children of trash parents. The dumb just seem to breed more than the intelligant. I have yet to meet a Ph. D. with 8 illegitimate kids. If you are "intelligant" enough to have 8 illegitimate kids, then you should be able to homeschool all of them while working enough hours to pay for them. If not, then too bad. Adoption would be used more if we weren't forced to pay for your bad decisions.
 
joepro

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the % of americans that make lets say under $20 an hr has to be huge, right?
Now do you believe that % goes up or down per se $12 an hr?
While some are saving silver and have home owners insurance the smiple fact is
that most americans live pay check to pay check and pay rent.
simple things like food shopping and pay bills is hard to come by for some.
All pride goes out the window once you get hungry, don't think othrwise like you're somehow more prideful then others.You should thank your lucky stars and maybe cash that gold/silver in and use that money to help a few familys in need, they are not hard to find just look out your window...but instead you will horde what you can for self survival.
very insightful
 
joepro

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WillieNelson said:
I would like to see one working couple that couldn't afford to take care of their child alone. By "couple" I mean the two people that had the baby. It takes two to tango and those two can create enought income.
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where do you get ur facts from?

american men in their 30s today are worse off than their fathers' generation, a reversal from just a decade ago, when sons generally were better off than their fathers.the first in a series on economic mobility undertaken by several prominent think tanks, also says the typical American family's income has lagged far behind productivity growth since 2000, a departure from most of the post-World War II period.
A single income family of four in the 1950's was normal in america
as we jump ahead into 2008 a small two income family struggles.
 
WillieNelson

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joepro said:
where do you get ur facts from?

american men in their 30s today are worse off than their fathers' generation, a reversal from just a decade ago, when sons generally were better off than their fathers.the first in a series on economic mobility undertaken by several prominent think tanks, also says the typical American family's income has lagged far behind productivity growth since 2000, a departure from most of the post-World War II period.
A single income family of four in the 1950's was normal in america
as we jump ahead into 2008 a small two income family struggles.
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If they aren't making money enough, they arent working hard enough. Poor illegal immigrant families that don't have shit when they get here can afford to squeek out a living. That means the legal couple that can't afford the food you were talking about aren't working as hard earning money as they were screwing to make the kid. I don't buy that pity b.s. for a minute. If you aren't making enough money, go to night school and get a better job. I did it(managed work, school, and a family) and they can too. As soon as she says, "I'm pregnant", you have 5-7 years before they are school age. In 7 god damn years I could manage to get a bachelors and a masters degree and get a better job. Work harder and beg less.
 
WillieNelson

WillieNelson

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joepro said:
where do you get ur facts from?

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I get my facts from the help wanted page. People suck it up and live on every day. They might not be driving a new SUV, but if they can't make it on their own, they are going to fail no matter what you give them. :joint:
 
nowstopwhining

nowstopwhining

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WillieNelson said:
If they aren't making money enough, they arent working hard enough. Poor illegal immigrant families that don't have shit when they get here can afford to squeek out a living. That means the legal couple that can't afford the food you were talking about aren't working as hard earning money as they were screwing to make the kid. I don't buy that pity b.s. for a minute. If you aren't making enough money, go to night school and get a better job. I did it(managed work, school, and a family) and they can too. As soon as she says, "I'm pregnant", you have 5-7 years before they are school age. In 7 god damn years I could manage to get a bachelors and a masters degree and get a better job. Work harder and beg less.
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Im with you :peace:
 
joepro

joepro

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WillieNelson said:
If they aren't making money enough, they arent working hard enough. Poor illegal immigrant families that don't have shit when they get here can afford to squeek out a living. That means the legal couple that can't afford the food you were talking about aren't working as hard earning money as they were screwing to make the kid. I don't buy that pity b.s. for a minute. If you aren't making enough money, go to night school and get a better job. I did it(managed work, school, and a family) and they can too. As soon as she says, "I'm pregnant", you have 5-7 years before they are school age. In 7 god damn years I could manage to get a bachelors and a masters degree and get a better job. Work harder and beg less.
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is someone buring a narcissism stick in here?
raising kids,working full time and night school isnt even a reality for most.
I would help you in a time of need without question and I don't even know you, with a giving fact I dont have much myself.
everyone has had somekind of help along the way.
 
WillieNelson

WillieNelson

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If someone asks me for help, I will probably help them if they are in need. If the government wants to create a program to give my money away for me then no. People expect Uncle Sam to bail them out, they should have to ask their own uncle first and foremost. People can take care of themselves. They really can.
 
joepro

joepro

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WillieNelson said:
If the government wants to create a program to give my money away for me then no. People expect Uncle Sam to bail them out, they should have to ask their own uncle first and foremost. People can take care of themselves. They really can.
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I don't agree that the poor are lazy, it's a hard life and nothing really lazy about being middle class/lower.
I would call it a sence of entitlement some have for the goverment.
I'm sure we both agree with that more then half of goverment aide is wasted on able bodies that otherwise could get along but thats another long subject.
The programs are with reason, this is why we have them.
who runs it and who is really receiving it is the question.
 
twostarhotel

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WillieNelson said:
If someone asks me for help, I will probably help them if they are in need. If the government wants to create a program to give my money away for me then no. People expect Uncle Sam to bail them out, they should have to ask their own uncle first and foremost. People can take care of themselves. They really can.
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yeah im definantly over giving money to the government or even large organizations especially the cancer foundation where the hell is all that money going? id say its all one sick business as sick as that sounds
, and they have millions to "study" with
 
medicineman

medicineman

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WillieNelson said:
If they aren't making money enough, they arent working hard enough. Poor illegal immigrant families that don't have shit when they get here can afford to squeek out a living. That means the legal couple that can't afford the food you were talking about aren't working as hard earning money as they were screwing to make the kid. I don't buy that pity b.s. for a minute. If you aren't making enough money, go to night school and get a better job. I did it(managed work, school, and a family) and they can too. As soon as she says, "I'm pregnant", you have 5-7 years before they are school age. In 7 god damn years I could manage to get a bachelors and a masters degree and get a better job. Work harder and beg less.
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You are a retarded asshole, and that is a compliment.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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Hey Med ...

Please explain the fairness in taking from one who works his ass off to feed his family, an amount necessary to feed several other families. Thanks ...

Vi
 
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