an interesting thought.

polyarcturus

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gravity and magnetism are closely related and fairly complex. but in a it nut shell this is my simple idea.

gravity affected by magnetism and perhaps even so gravity is the source for electron alignment in some materials, we can influence magnetism with electricity because it is the source of electricity.

this is the idea, in magnetic objects you can reverse the poles. could we not do the same to atoms wit magnetism someow? there by creating antimatter/anti-gravity from atomic pole reversal some how align the protons and electrons and force them together some how(magnetism) and exert energy on them to cause a pole reversal?
 
mindphuk

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polyarcturus said:
gravity and magnetism are closely related and fairly complex. but in a it nut shell this is my simple idea.

gravity affected by magnetism and perhaps even so gravity is the source for electron alignment in some materials, we can influence magnetism with electricity because it is the source of electricity.

this is the idea, in magnetic objects you can reverse the poles. could we not do the same to atoms wit magnetism someow? there by creating antimatter/anti-gravity from atomic pole reversal some how align the protons and electrons and force them together some how(magnetism) and exert energy on them to cause a pole reversal?
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Gravity and magnetism are related in what way? Do you have actual evidence to back this up? If you do, a Nobel Prize is waiting for you as physicists have been trying for decades to figure out how gravity is related to the other fundamental forces.
 
polyarcturus

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mindphuk said:
Gravity and magnetism are related in what way? Do you have actual evidence to back this up? If you do, a Nobel Prize is waiting for you as physicists have been trying for decades to figure out how gravity is related to the other fundamental forces.
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i was high as hell when i wrote this just having interesting thought, no im not some super scientist that can explain the relationship between gravity and magnetism.

but i think of it this way, the gravity field in matter reacts with the gravity fields in other matter to create a web of gravity fields and depending on the way these gravitational fields cross affect magnetism thus, magnetic polarity is created.
 
tyler.durden

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polyarcturus said:
i was high as hell when i wrote this just having interesting thought, no im not some super scientist that can explain the relationship between gravity and magnetism.

but i think of it this way, the gravity field in matter reacts with the gravity fields in other matter to create a web of gravity fields and depending on the way these gravitational fields cross affect magnetism thus, magnetic polarity is created.
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Wow, you've got some great weed at your place...
 
polyarcturus

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i wont lie after 4 years(5?maybe?)my weed has begun to change from "home grown" to that "calli" i was buying now im growing and smoking :) but in all seriousness if you know better and have the time, then educate me.
 
cannabineer

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polyarcturus said:
i wont lie after 4 years(5?maybe?)my weed has begun to change from "home grown" to that "calli" i was buying now im growing and smoking :) but in all seriousness if you know better and have the time, then educate me.
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Polyarcturus, gravity and magnetism seem to be completely different phenomena with that rarest of qualities: an absence of overlap. Magnetic fields have not been seen or measured to shift under acceleration. We can't make a Cavendish-type torsion balance to truly test the contention, but we have not found an effect of magnetism on gravitation (when magnets levitate or glom onto steel, the effect is independent of gravity).
Otherwise a demonstration of reducing or directing gravity would already be in the books ... cn
 
Doer

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I can say this, if you have a concept leading to grav-magnets, it would be very welcomed. Or mag-gravnet...I haven't decided which term I like.

The very strange thing about these two phenomena is the incredible difference in "strength." The refrigerator magnet easily defeats the Earth gravity against the paper clip.

It's orders of magnitude. 10 times or 10 x 10, like that. Also, as two objects get farther apart, the gravity between them goes down by a factor of four when you double the distance, but the magnetism goes down by (at least) a factor of eight.

Perhaps if the field, like the Electo Magnetic field is identified, the Higgs field, then we might be able say how these are related. I'll say what I think, most simple, and backed up by what we know. Magnets effect metallic matter, but matter effects space. Gravity may be gradients in the density of space. Hard to say.
 
polyarcturus

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personally i agree with you Doer in the simplistic veiw but there is more to it that we dont understand. i think magnetism is a specialty type of gravity or a reaction to gravity in certain types of matter (metals and rare earth magnets) because of the atoms nucleus structure and in relation to the atomic forces.
of course im just pondering.

I appreciate you and CN for being reasonable and actually taking the thought into hypothetical consideration.
 
cues

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I just managed to give my door key a negative gravitational charge.
Unfortunately I forgot to attach a tether and now I'm locked out.
 
Doer

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polyarcturus said:
personally i agree with you Doer in the simplistic veiw but there is more to it that we dont understand. i think magnetism is a specialty type of gravity or a reaction to gravity in certain types of matter (metals and rare earth magnets) because of the atoms nucleus structure and in relation to the atomic forces.
of course im just pondering.

I appreciate you and CN for being reasonable and actually taking the thought into hypothetical consideration.
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It is quite possible that all "matter" is tightly crushed space itself. It exists in a scalar wave form. It would be like a pebble dropped in a tiny pond except in 3D. The wave bounces off the "shore" and returns to the center and bounces back. So, an atom could be super dense, wiggly ball of space. The wave reflection at the inside could be what we call the two fundamental atomic forces. Strong and Weak.

The reflection at the outside is what? Magnetism. Every atom's "outside" edge is a strong magnetic field surface. It reacts to the other atoms and locks into molecules. Magnetically stable molecules. It's molecules that make matter, magnetically. It is quite possible that the mono-atom itself is not a solid. But, it does have a solid core. The proton-neutron complex. But, that can only be manipulated how? Magnets.

In other words, the atom core can only be maintained with magnets if the electron magnetic shell is gone. That's how we smash atomic cores. Strip to bare and then fire the cores at each other with.....magnets.

So, it is not just the metallic matter, that is magnetic. All matter is. Just most of it is in a neutral state. Magnet is our Reality of matter and so part of gravity, somehow. I do agree.
 
polyarcturus

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Doer said:
It is quite possible that all "matter" is tightly crushed space itself. It exists in a scalar wave form. It would be like a pebble dropped in a tiny pond except in 3D. The wave bounces off the "shore" and returns to the center and bounces back. So, an atom could be super dense, wiggly ball of space. The wave reflection at the inside could be what we call the two fundamental atomic forces. Strong and Weak.

The reflection at the outside is what? Magnetism. Every atom's "outside" edge is a strong magnetic field surface. It reacts to the other atoms and locks into molecules. Magnetically stable molecules. It's molecules that make matter, magnetically. It is quite possible that the mono-atom itself is not a solid. But, it does have a solid core. The proton-neutron complex. But, that can only be manipulated how? Magnets.

In other words, the atom core can only be maintained with magnets if the electron magnetic shell is gone. That's how we smash atomic cores. Strip to bare and then fire the cores at each other with.....magnets.

So, it is not just the metallic matter, that is magnetic. All matter is. Just most of it is in a neutral state. Magnet is our Reality of matter and so part of gravity, somehow. I do agree.
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lol left me somewhere in he dirt :)

i get what you saying, but it only leaves more confused. ill come back when im stoned and did some more research cause im drawing blanks, not to say i dont understand what you saying, because i do and i agree, i simply do not have any more input ATM without referring to my sources to reflect of this.
 
cannabineer

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Doer said:
It is quite possible that all "matter" is tightly crushed space itself. It exists in a scalar wave form. It would be like a pebble dropped in a tiny pond except in 3D. The wave bounces off the "shore" and returns to the center and bounces back. So, an atom could be super dense, wiggly ball of space. The wave reflection at the inside could be what we call the two fundamental atomic forces. Strong and Weak.

The reflection at the outside is what? Magnetism. Every atom's "outside" edge is a strong magnetic field surface. It reacts to the other atoms and locks into molecules. Magnetically stable molecules. It's molecules that make matter, magnetically. It is quite possible that the mono-atom itself is not a solid. But, it does have a solid core. The proton-neutron complex. But, that can only be manipulated how? Magnets.

In other words, the atom core can only be maintained with magnets if the electron magnetic shell is gone. That's how we smash atomic cores. Strip to bare and then fire the cores at each other with.....magnets.

So, it is not just the metallic matter, that is magnetic. All matter is. Just most of it is in a neutral state. Magnet is our Reality of matter and so part of gravity, somehow. I do agree.
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But what property of nuclei are the magnets exploiting? A monopolar electric charge. cn
 
polyarcturus

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had some thought and thinking into the fact or rather wonder what meaning and relation all this has to dark matter which as it so happens has no electromagnetic field but has gravity this means the source of the force and different from what composes dark matter essentially to go as far as to say dark matter lacks what makes up our matter, this make go into thinking that dark matter and matter where formed at the same time and the difference in build that also create electromagnetism forced them to separate like water and oil, they can coexist(unlike matter and antimatter) but are fundamentally different in a way that they can not emulsify.

classic CN. very um "you" as usual :)
 
Doer

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cannabineer said:
But what property of nuclei are the magnets exploiting? A monopolar electric charge. cn
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It is, indeed a good question. It just occurs to me that there are only two things known, that can attract matter. And almost all matter is neutral magnetic molecules that can be made magnetic simply by ionization. Add enough energy and the plasma form of any matter is easily bent around a boat magnet, for example. So, we know the structure of the magnetic fields in 3D and 4D from those imaged on the Sun, to the iron filings we saw at school. We don't understand the nature of the gravity field. Does it actually compress Space? Or is that a shadow of another phenomenon?

If the Higgs field is established and defined we can understand, perhaps, why matter attracts matter. Is it a Space gradient or is it that magnets may be the special case of gravity? An interaction of EM with Higgs. We don't know. I can't say exactly how magnets attract.

Not to really explain the forces, can you? It gets a bit vague and techy, like gravity. We know what, and supposedly why, but just how exactly is a bit iffy, for me.

And of course, we really do want to Unify the Electromagnetic and Higgs Fields, right? So, gotta think ahead.
 
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