Chuckers paradise......

Don_Sequitor said:

Does there become a time when chucking is so habitual and mechanical that the strains become non-distinct, pleasant and cheap. Such as mass produced seeds. As opposed to premium chucks focused on diversity and specific characteristics?

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I’ve not kept a male in the last 2 runs. As much as I love chucking, I have far more beans in backlog and at this point I’m fairly selective. This most recent run will likely do some chucking with a fofana male, but mainly as an f2 run. I would never consider any chuck non-distinct, pleasant and cheap. There is no difference between us and a fair amount of breeders in banks selling packs. I’ve learned a lot from “us” and still buy beans that I can foresee a use for in the future from good breeders that care about provenance and selections. It’s a balance but there’s no reason not to make seeds if you’re able to do so, and results often astonish you when they get grown out regardless even if you question your ability to chuck with the best of ‘em. Maybe 100% of chuckers aren’t breeders, but I guarantee 100% of breeders are chuckers to some degree.

Houstini said:

I’ve not kept a male in the last 2 runs. As much as I love chucking, I have far more beans in backlog and at this point I’m fairly selective. This most recent run will likely do some chucking with a fofana male, but mainly as an f2 run. I would never consider any chuck non-distinct, pleasant and cheap. There is no difference between us and a fair amount of breeders in banks selling packs. I’ve learned a lot from “us” and still buy beans that I can foresee a use for in the future from good breeders that care about provenance and selections. It’s a balance but there’s no reason not to make seeds if you’re able to do so, and results often astonish you when they get grown out regardless even if you question your ability to chuck with the best of ‘em. Maybe 100% of chuckers aren’t breeders, but I guarantee 100% of breeders are chuckers to some degree.

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Thanks. Seems like lots of fun.

Don_Sequitor said:

Does there become a time when chucking is so habitual and mechanical that the strains become non-distinct, pleasant and cheap. Such as mass produced seeds. As opposed to premium chucks focused on diversity and specific characteristics?

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Think of it as distributed selective breeding. Chuckers care too much, it won’t become mechanical or rote for most of them.

In other news...
Shit seems to have gotten out of hand...that’s a 7’ tent and several tops are touching the ceiling. Had to get rid of my final HPS (about time) and replace it with quantum boards mid-run.

OBS and Sin’s Wedding Mints vying for tent domination.

Starting to get some purple. 2-3 weeks left

Don_Sequitor said:

Does there become a time when chucking is so habitual and mechanical that the strains become non-distinct, pleasant and cheap. Such as mass produced seeds. As opposed to premium chucks focused on diversity and specific characteristics?

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I think when it comes to commercial strains it's a bit that way already. The big companies like those in Canada and some in Europe are for sure that way already. They have all the basic strains but they tend to look for big producers that are quick. A lot of it is going into making edibles and concentrates.

Even our local pot shop is "bland" to me. Again they have all the basic lines, they have a couple cookies and a couple of this and that and the other, but none of their actual bud really stands out to me as unique or even just over the top when it comes to anything, not flavor or even potency. They mostly sell concentrates and edibles though, I'm talking about ten times as much being spent on concentrates and edibles as actual bud/weed. Bang for your buck is way higher with the Pens/wax/etc, than it is for buying their rather bland weed for jacked up sky high prices for top shelf "Medical" weed. Then they have cheap weed for sale too but again, it's just bland. None of the Bud sold really grabs me by the balls and says, this one right here is going to get you off and taste amazing. Even when they have something that is supposed to be fantastic it's rarely been handled as well as it could have been and always seems to be either too dry or something else that leaves it lacking.

Michigan is also supposed to be allowing some Micro-licensing, that's up to 150 plants and sold on site. Think of the micro-brewery style of business. I expect those type of businesses will be looking to stand out. So it's likely we will have both, we will get the "Budweiser/Miller/Coors,etc. Kind of bland but as you said, pleasant and cheap. Seed sales to individual growers are likely to continue much the same as now for a while. Hype gets people excited about growing your own as opposed to just buying some. Most people who want to take the time to grow will still be looking for something BETTER than what they can get in the stores and at least as good as the micro-grow businesses.

And most Chuckers are still looking for standouts as well. Who doesn't dream of creating the next strain, that everyone has to have and that's so great it stays around for decades? The funny thing is that with tens of thousands of chuckers, the odds of someone finding that strain by pure luck goes way up compared with guys like me who have been breeding forever. There has to be at least a hundred times as many people chucking now as there was in the 80's, so just by pure luck of the draw the chances of the next best thing coming along completely by luck goes way up. In fact think of it this way. The breeders who are selling these strains can only pop so many seeds, the vast majority of the seeds they produce are sold to other people and these other people are going to be the ones who actually find the best pheno's. Chucking Skills help for sure, so maybe a skilled chucker has ten times the chance of doing it right and getting that strain. But that's not a hundred to one chance, so the odds are actually on the side of the amateurs at this point.

18six50 said:

I think when it comes to commercial strains it's a bit that way already. The big companies like those in Canada and some in Europe are for sure that way already. They have all the basic strains but they tend to look for big producers that are quick. A lot of it is going into making edibles and concentrates.

Even our local pot shop is "bland" to me. Again they have all the basic lines, they have a couple cookies and a couple of this and that and the other, but none of their actual bud really stands out to me as unique or even just over the top when it comes to anything, not flavor or even potency. They mostly sell concentrates and edibles though, I'm talking about ten times as much being spent on concentrates and edibles as actual bud/weed. Bang for your buck is way higher with the Pens/wax/etc, than it is for buying their rather bland weed for jacked up sky high prices for top shelf "Medical" weed. Then they have cheap weed for sale too but again, it's just bland. None of the Bud sold really grabs me by the balls and says, this one right here is going to get you off and taste amazing. Even when they have something that is supposed to be fantastic it's rarely been handled as well as it could have been and always seems to be either too dry or something else that leaves it lacking.

Michigan is also supposed to be allowing some Micro-licensing, that's up to 150 plants and sold on site. Think of the micro-brewery style of business. I expect those type of businesses will be looking to stand out. So it's likely we will have both, we will get the "Budweiser/Miller/Coors,etc. Kind of bland but as you said, pleasant and cheap. Seed sales to individual growers are likely to continue much the same as now for a while. Hype gets people excited about growing your own as opposed to just buying some. Most people who want to take the time to grow will still be looking for something BETTER than what they can get in the stores and at least as good as the micro-grow businesses.

And most Chuckers are still looking for standouts as well. Who doesn't dream of creating the next strain, that everyone has to have and that's so great it stays around for decades? The funny thing is that with tens of thousands of chuckers, the odds of someone finding that strain by pure luck goes way up compared with guys like me who have been breeding forever. There has to be at least a hundred times as many people chucking now as there was in the 80's, so just by pure luck of the draw the chances of the next best thing coming along completely by luck goes way up. In fact think of it this way. The breeders who are selling these strains can only pop so many seeds, the vast majority of the seeds they produce are sold to other people and these other people are going to be the ones who actually find the best pheno's. Chucking Skills help for sure, so maybe a skilled chucker has ten times the chance of doing it right and getting that strain. But that's not a hundred to one chance, so the odds are actually on the side of the amateurs at this point.

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I'd probably see about going to a nursery and making a strain representing the type I used to get growing up in Kentucky. Like Don Carlos did with HSC.

Don_Sequitor said:

I'd probably see about going to a nursery and making a strain representing the type I used to get growing up in Kentucky. Like Don Carlos did with HSC.

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I've worked my outdoor strain for a long time, always adding something new to keep it fresh but also so that it does well in my northern humid climate. Outdoor production of seeds, I would think, will still have a lot of micro-climates that the big companies won't come to dominate. And people have favorite strains too, like your favorite Kentucky weed. They just want to have it whether it's a big enough producer for commercial growers or not, (Headstash buds). Or they want something that reminds them of what they used to smoke or whatever.

There is plenty of room for chuckers and breeders and commercial strains.

The question for me though is what happens if people start to prefer the concentrates so much that it all goes in that direction? I like them at the end of a long day, but I still prefer to smoke bud most of the time. I think us bud fans will always be around but who knows, it's going more and more in that direction all the time.

18six50 said:

I've worked my outdoor strain for a long time, always adding something new to keep it fresh but also so that it does well in my northern humid climate. Outdoor production of seeds, I would think, will still have a lot of micro-climates that the big companies won't come to dominate. And people have favorite strains too, like your favorite Kentucky weed. They just want to have it whether it's a big enough producer for commercial growers or not, (Headstash buds). Or they want something that reminds them of what they used to smoke or whatever.

There is plenty of room for chuckers and breeders and commercial strains.

The question for me though is what happens if people start to prefer the concentrates so much that it all goes in that direction? I like them at the end of a long day, but I still prefer to smoke bud most of the time. I think us bud fans will always be around but who knows, it's going more and more in that direction all the time.

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More & more crosses are being advertised as "she washes good" so I'd say that trend is rolling at an all-time high.

I love smoking flowers,so I chuck for that... flowers over everything ( Scissor hash a close second)

I just buried four (BBK x GSOG) x BBK seeds from Bad Fish Bean Co. in half-gallon pots (Thanks again, BTW!). I'm hoping for at least a single male, but only planted four due to space restrictions. I haven't grown out this strain before, but from what I've seen, I already want more seeds.

Finished an F2 seed run of my Blueberry x Afghani #1 recently. A couple of years ago I had a decent seed stock, but unfortunately, much of my stuff got left behind due to forest fire so I'm now just getting back to production again.

Thanks to the kind folk here and my sheer diligence of never giving up, I'm back in the game.

My F2 BBxAF seeds. These are from the fallout of harvest. I expect twice as many as I break the buds apart for tinctures:

genuity said:

More & more crosses are being advertised as "she washes good" so I'd say that trend is rolling at an all-time high.

I love smoking flowers,so I chuck for that... flowers over everything ( Scissor hash a close second)

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Flowers and full melt are about my speed, but I think very soon I will be getting a rosin press. Scissor hash is always a nice bonus for the work of trimming.

Most of the time I like big hand rolled joints (none of that newfangled cone silliness) to my dome, and bong hits from a clean piece. Flower power!

Im definitely a flavor chaser, and effect close second, also cant stand weak ass branches so that does not get messed with. I cant imagine not growing my own flower at this point. Ive tried some amazing shit in the last year and made enough seeds to keep me busy for 5 years easily. I wouldnt mind a rosin press for some special stuff to break out on occasion. I have very specific plans for almost every pack ive bought, whether its working the line or a cross. So i can say mine is a lot less random and much more planned than the term chucker implies. But im not planning on starting a seed co or anything like that, if anything just share some love and hook my family up fat, so breeder doesnt seem as fitting either. I guess im a brucker then ?

kroc said:

Im definitely a flavor chaser, and effect close second, also cant stand weak ass branches so that does not get messed with. I cant imagine not growing my own flower at this point. Ive tried some amazing shit in the last year and made enough seeds to keep me busy for 5 years easily. I wouldnt mind a rosin press for some special stuff to break out on occasion. I have very specific plans for almost every pack ive bought, whether its working the line or a cross. So i can say mine is a lot less random and much more planned than the term chucker implies. But im not planning on starting a seed co or anything like that, if anything just share some love and hook my family up fat, so breeder doesnt seem as fitting either. I guess im a brucker then ?

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Cheeder.
We’re all chuckers on this bus. I think your situation is more like the average, rather than someone who chases the hype train of hype strains to pick up a few ducats. I am all for anyone who wants to start selling their chucks, there’s no shame in making a living. But at some point, shame definitely comes into it for the grifters who want to turn and burn. The world is a paradise for scammers right now, perhaps doubly so in the canna scene.
You’re a breeder, no doubt. A hobbyist, not a commercial one. Your gear is also probably better than at least half the stuff showing up from euro banks these days.

It's driving me nuts right now. I've got seeds that need to be harvested but because of Covid, I haven't been able to smoke these with the buddies I'd been saving it for. They were supposed to be driving up to hang out but we are still half ass locked down and they are staying put. I hate to dig through the weed and not smoke it right away but I have to get them beans out for a project with another breeder who I've wanted to work with for years. And this stuff is a PITA to get seeds out of, it's a GG4 BX polinated with Stardog/star pupil and they are super dense rock hard stuff.

I like the wax for late at night, but that's what monster outdoor crops are for, then you can just make it out of bud and not even worry about the trim, I'll run a QP at a time of bud for wax. Indoor trim I cure and make into sift hash and roll it into balls. Outdoor trim/mids I give to friends if they are around, if not it ends up on a bon-fire or I just drop it on the ground, I'll have leaves a half inch deep sometimes that I'm stepping on. LOL. It's way too much work and not enough return for me to mess around with outdoor trim, I don't even bother to keep a lot of what some people would consider mids I'll give that away too. A guy can only smoke so much and a few of my Vet buddies are always needy and those guys like to make edibles. I'm not into edibles but I'll do some Bang once in a while if I want to get way out there. Half ounce of bud simmered in milk, strain and add Hershey's syrup. Buddha didn't add the chocolate that I know of ,but he probably would have approved.

Day 42 for the Demo F2 girls. Starting to look pretty. Lots of F3 babies growing too, at least 1 bud per plant.

some secret chief (sfv og x 88g13hp - bodhi) nugs from the pollination a few pages back. I hit it with dirty sanchez (ASS x gmo/waltz), also posted him recently. these are on week 5.5



sorry for the black lines, cant find my fuggin sunglasses

18six50 said:

I think when it comes to commercial strains it's a bit that way already. The big companies like those in Canada and some in Europe are for sure that way already. They have all the basic strains but they tend to look for big producers that are quick. A lot of it is going into making edibles and concentrates.

Even our local pot shop is "bland" to me. Again they have all the basic lines, they have a couple cookies and a couple of this and that and the other, but none of their actual bud really stands out to me as unique or even just over the top when it comes to anything, not flavor or even potency. They mostly sell concentrates and edibles though, I'm talking about ten times as much being spent on concentrates and edibles as actual bud/weed. Bang for your buck is way higher with the Pens/wax/etc, than it is for buying their rather bland weed for jacked up sky high prices for top shelf "Medical" weed. Then they have cheap weed for sale too but again, it's just bland. None of the Bud sold really grabs me by the balls and says, this one right here is going to get you off and taste amazing. Even when they have something that is supposed to be fantastic it's rarely been handled as well as it could have been and always seems to be either too dry or something else that leaves it lacking.

Michigan is also supposed to be allowing some Micro-licensing, that's up to 150 plants and sold on site. Think of the micro-brewery style of business. I expect those type of businesses will be looking to stand out. So it's likely we will have both, we will get the "Budweiser/Miller/Coors,etc. Kind of bland but as you said, pleasant and cheap. Seed sales to individual growers are likely to continue much the same as now for a while. Hype gets people excited about growing your own as opposed to just buying some. Most people who want to take the time to grow will still be looking for something BETTER than what they can get in the stores and at least as good as the micro-grow businesses.

And most Chuckers are still looking for standouts as well. Who doesn't dream of creating the next strain, that everyone has to have and that's so great it stays around for decades? The funny thing is that with tens of thousands of chuckers, the odds of someone finding that strain by pure luck goes way up compared with guys like me who have been breeding forever. There has to be at least a hundred times as many people chucking now as there was in the 80's, so just by pure luck of the draw the chances of the next best thing coming along completely by luck goes way up. In fact think of it this way. The breeders who are selling these strains can only pop so many seeds, the vast majority of the seeds they produce are sold to other people and these other people are going to be the ones who actually find the best pheno's. Chucking Skills help for sure, so maybe a skilled chucker has ten times the chance of doing it right and getting that strain. But that's not a hundred to one chance, so the odds are actually on the side of the amateurs at this point.

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Sometimes it is just dumb luck when it comes to chucking.

One of my favorite strains right now is an accidental chuck of orange blossom special (GPS) & new speedway boogie (cult classics).
Smells like over-ripe oranges & chocolate. Buds are perfect. Not fluffy or rock hard -- just right.
Buzz is very stoney but not incapacitating unless I do a second huge bong rip.
Zero hermie issues.

Chunky Stool said:

Sometimes it is just dumb luck when it comes to chucking.

One of my favorite strains right now is an accidental chuck of orange blossom special (GPS) & new speedway boogie (cult classics).
Smells like over-ripe oranges & chocolate. Buds are perfect. Not fluffy or rock hard -- just right.
Buzz is very stoney but not incapacitating unless I do a second huge bong rip.
Zero hermie issues.

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Yep I've been absolutely convinced that some chucks would be the very best, and they turned out Meh. While I've had others that I didn't expect that much out of, that were fantastic.

genuity said:

More & more crosses are being advertised as "she washes good" so I'd say that trend is rolling at an all-time high.

I love smoking flowers,so I chuck for that... flowers over everything ( Scissor hash a close second)

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I was just noting how the frost on this dcp f2 is all over the buds but not the leaves. These things are rock solid too. Will come down when she shows amber, not yet 50 days.

Bubblegum?like fruity bubblegum not grape but kinda (probably an association with purple more than anything).

SSGrower said:

I was just noting how the frost on this dcp f2 is all over the buds but not the leaves. These things are rock solid too. Will come down when she shows amber, not yet 50 days.
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Bubblegum?like fruity bubblegum not grape but kinda (probably an association with purple more than anything).

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She looks like the one pheno I found in (DUM x DCP f2)


Bubblegum like old bazooka Joe

I'm testing a Jelly Breath x Purple Apricot chuck for a friend in Oregon. I got the monoterpene odorant geraniol. There is a strong and recognizable Scuppernong aroma.