Michael Huntherz

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3 TGA Agent Orange Males.

AO1 - Lanky - Sticky - Smells of Oranges and Acetone
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AO4 - Thick and stout, not sticky, no smell, covered with buds

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AO3 - Thick, sticky, orange and acetone

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AO2 - Female

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Cheers,
Mo
Digging that thickboi, AO4, strange when they have almost no odor.
 

genuity

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This stuff is top 10
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Fookies(lemon meringue cookie) terps on this girl,a breeze to grow in my ruff treatment room,so I can only imagine her in a nice environment.
Her flowers reminds me of fire alien kush.

Gushers clone
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Lanky

Mtn trop cherry
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Is a beast out the gate,the oreoz cut did not make it,it just kept on wilting..
 

thenotsoesoteric

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I can say definitively that sub looked for males with resin, “the louder the better.”
I really like stinky males, the resin thing hasn't been too big of a difference from what I've seen in my small bit of experiences.

Say I had two males 1 stinky/smell you're hoping is expressed from that particular cross and 1 male no smell but some resin, I'm going with the stinky male. That is if all other areas are similar ie structure, reliance etc.
 

18six50

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I really like stinky males, the resin thing hasn't been too big of a difference from what I've seen in my small bit of experiences.

Say I had two males 1 stinky/smell you're hoping is expressed from that particular cross and 1 male no smell but some resin, I'm going with the stinky male. That is if all other areas are similar ie structure, reliance etc.
I'm with you, it's harder to get the smell and taste right (the two go hand in hand) than it is to get frosty plants. It used to be the other way around, but not anymore. We used to have to search through a shit ton of males to get just one that would put off frosty offspring and that made smell secondary, if smell and taste were good then cool but if not no big deal, you had to have the frost and that used to be a lot harder to come by. I don't care how good something smells if it doesn't frost up it's not going to be that great. Now we have the luxury of, for the most part, taking the frost for granted and zeroing in on flavor and smell. Think about it this way; Maybe the difference today would be between having a 25% plant vs a 20% plant by picking just for the frost on the male and that's a 50/50 chance right? Back then the wrong male could be the difference between 3% and 15% offspring.

You get frost with almost all males that come from good modern poly-hybrid strains, maybe more, maybe less but it's there. Guys used to search through Hundreds of males to find one that would reliably put out frosty offspring. It was also a much bigger difference between having a killer male and just picking any random male. A random male from today's poly-hybrids is going to have at least somewhat frosty offrspring, back then a random male might put out freaking hemp. This is also a reason why I'm not in a big hurry to start over with landrace strains. Anyone who tells you it's as easy to find a good male from landrace strains hasn't worked with them much or is able to pick from way more plants than I can now that I'm all legal beagle. Even if I get a license for 150 plants that not enough to really work with new landrace strains and do it right.

Another thing is that if I add a funky smell or taste to my strain line I'll end up tossing that whole line. I can get the frost back but sometimes that freaking smell is hard to get out. I worked with a Black Russian male for a while that put off amazing frosted humoongoussss buds, it ate nitrogen like it was candy. Sadly it didn't matter what I crossed it with they all smelled like Black Russian and I was so sick of that smell after having so much of it to smoke that I wished I hadn't grown them. Friends still loved em and they grew like crazy but I'm done with all of that line. That experience made me way more picky about smell than I had been before.

When there's fire all over you don't have to look that hard to find it, special flavors and tastes are what sets lines apart now, sure they have to be frosty but like I said, frost is a lot easier to find today than back in the day. Unless you are just working for frost, then I guess it's all that matters, but not to me, not even close.
 

Nizza

Well-Known Member
This stuff is top 10
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Fookies(lemon meringue cookie) terps on this girl,a breeze to grow in my ruff treatment room,so I can only imagine her in a nice environment.
Her flowers reminds me of fire alien kush.

Gushers clone
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Lanky

Mtn trop cherry
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Is a beast out the gate,the oreoz cut did not make it,it just kept on wilting..
Happy to see people working with subcool genetics man, what an awesome dude. What an awesome impact he has made on the cannabis scene and it warms my heart to see him live through the strains he has hunted!

lookiing forward to popping some of your seeds soon man, and as usual keep it up dude! Awesome work
 

GODWORK

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@colocowboy

That was what i kinda thought...having to run 8 M & 8 F from a single line to UNCROSS a hybrid. & then find an secure new selections.

That changes my time table...
I wanted to run 24 F2 females to pic pheno type...that only leads me to clone only??

If i flower out 24 males & nurse female cuts til they finish...then i can truly pic & choose male pheno types & match to the female.

However, i could have to run EACH male to find exactly how they all affect 1 or all 24 females...& that appears to be MIND NUMBING; right now. Hmm? I could be on one line for a year.

I wasnt expecting that...
That would change my plans drastically. Hmm? I need to re think this.
 

18six50

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How long are you guys having to flower a male to get this type of read on the key traits?!

#kudos
Like colocowboy said, flower them all the way out if you can. Some will surprise you at the end, in the same way that some buds will finish way better than they start, some males get frosty later or change their smell later too. If you have to pick early because of these stupid plant limits then some people do the stem rub thing or just look for quick growth and early frost, stem structure, (hollow vs stemy) branches vs not branches, etc., and sometimes a male just stands out for other reasons, like one with a extra leafelts or something like that. But plants do change when they mature a lot, not just the frost and smell either but plant structure changes. Some continue stretching for a long time, some don't, some have branches that continue to grow vs not much branching. I like branches because of the plant limits. people lucky enough to be able to run a Sea of Green wouldn't want that much branching.

Some of that stuff can be seen early in a plant, but it's better to grow them to full maturity. Even then though, you won't know the full story until you see what kind of offspring they put out with different plants. Sometimes a male with breed really well with some plants and not with others, some males dominate a cross others don't. It's just a matter of which plants have the strongest genes I guess. All you can do is try to pick what you are hoping for in your next crosses and avoid any negative traits you don't. You can do some of that picking early if you have to but it would be a bummer to toss a male that was going to finish up extra special and some do.
 

silverhazefiend

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Still rocking I see

so I planted 2x
single scoop (gelato 33 x bday)
Special occasion (wedding x bday)
bubble gum cookies (gsc x bubble gum ) csi
Tk 91 ( tk x chem 91)


2010 rp og kush
2009 star bud freebie
2x 2012 bubba bag seed ( not pre 98 or Katsu ) some bubba that’s just called old bubba from a dude in a little wine town in NorCal .. I found 5 seeds in 2 yrs of lbs

just found a pack online of Mosca otm bx last pack online for the low with a canna verify seal .. I’m thinking about popping 4 of those and using the male ..well that’s the plan for now
 

GODWORK

Well-Known Member
:clap:2009 Star Bud. Nice!

@18six50
I cant say that i didnt expect this...i mean with a double back to back streamline grow i could germ/flip/cut/cull twice. For pheno madness...then I had plan to s1 my favorite & keep on trucking. That was going to have me with like 2) 144 sites to manage it all.

Now Idkwtf to do...work 1 line or shoot for 16 in a year. Im not trying get into the business of it...i want to win a cups.
 
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