Countryfarmer's outdoor grow
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smokeweedlikeitsO2
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http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/pick-and-mix-dna-genetics-cataract-kush-feminized/prod_1840.html heres a bomb strain and the website you need to order from, from now on. they work for everyone who tries and on top of that they are stocked in some cali mmj clubs
Boyz N Da Hood
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damn sorry to hear about that man..
veggiegardener
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A prime example of why I prefer not to use feminized seeds unless there are good reasons.
Too many seed houses use poor techniques and too often, their customers end up with a garden full of hermies.
Although your males look MALE.
Do everyone a favor and send an email to:
http://www.seedbankupdate.com/
Greenman has been exposing the bad quys for quite a while.
Too many seed houses use poor techniques and too often, their customers end up with a garden full of hermies.
Although your males look MALE.
Do everyone a favor and send an email to:
http://www.seedbankupdate.com/
Greenman has been exposing the bad quys for quite a while.
Gr33nCrack
Active Member
Ordered an Automatic fem. AK-47 from the Single Seed Centre and got an auto Road Runner and Haze for free in the mail today. Had to get rid of 2 Grand Daddy clones + another nice sized church plant so hopefully these will finish and i'll still get like a QP. I also have a Motavation seedling(2 inches). Some how the freebies always seem to outdo the others.
Kudos on the freebie crack my ufo's (freebies) from theattitude are dinafem blue hash and are by far the largest and best looking of this years crop. Don't figure or maybe it does. Of course a good indica always looks healther than a stativa to me. But the proof is in the smoke will see how it stands up to the Blue cheese and Red Diesel. Country hit me up have a ufo for you!
Uncle Ben
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Welcome to the world of farming. Welcome to the world of cannabis seedbank shysters. Make the best of it and do your own crosses using good material.
UB
Uncle Ben
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Sorry about your losses. Yes, that sucks. Farming, outdoor growing, is a challenge and huge risk. I am a commercial niche farmer and there was nothing more devastating to this here city boy than to plan, invest, install the infrastructure including miles of irrigation and such and finally hand plant thousands of plant material and 3 weeks later have it destroyed by huge hail. Before that, a lightning strike took out my newly installed well pump and electronics. Luckily it was under warrantee but I still had to pay labor for a rig to pull the old pump and install a new one. Mother nature is brutal. She has kicked my ass coming and going so don't feel too bad. I learned quickly (upon the advise of an old timer) that if you can't take losses, you best get out. Same thing can be said of growing cannabis outdoors, it's a huge risk unless you can stay on top of it.
I'd hold the seedbank accountable. They owe you a refund. BTW, 90% of seedbanks are selling mutts to dreamers. They drum up a cute and appealing name and make claims about how fine it is along with closeups of bud trikes. All sales gimmicks (a heavy bed of trichomes does not drive potency or the quality of the high). They are selling you an ideology and are no different than someone like AN that is selling hyped products that more than likely are sub-par than what you can get for half the price at Walmart. See my sig line.
I'd find some veteran growers and see if you can score some seeds from them. Pick your best parents and cross your own. You're set for life then. Mexican bag weed may be as good if not better than what you're getting from a seedbank, but "pure" Mexican is prone to hermies as is any sativa from lower latitudes. From personal experience, I can recommend Sagamatha and The Flying Dragon stock. If the players haven't changed, they can be trusted as can Gypsy. Some of the "old" stuff is good. For instance, I backcrossed C99, sowed 4 this spring, 2 were destroyed by the wind, one beautiful female was destroyed by me (just didn't need it) and the other one is going gangbusters in a tomato cage with fine medium dark green foliage and flowering outdoors. Drinks a gallon of water a day.
In the future plant regular seeds outdoors, pull the males, and go about your biz. For now if you do this right, you can still yield a shitload of bud from only one plant. I grew one such plant a couple of years ago and ended up with a wheelbarrow full of sativa bud. Your yields will be driven by how well and long you can maintain your leaves in a healthy condition.
Good luck,
UB
I'd hold the seedbank accountable. They owe you a refund. BTW, 90% of seedbanks are selling mutts to dreamers. They drum up a cute and appealing name and make claims about how fine it is along with closeups of bud trikes. All sales gimmicks (a heavy bed of trichomes does not drive potency or the quality of the high). They are selling you an ideology and are no different than someone like AN that is selling hyped products that more than likely are sub-par than what you can get for half the price at Walmart. See my sig line.
I'd find some veteran growers and see if you can score some seeds from them. Pick your best parents and cross your own. You're set for life then. Mexican bag weed may be as good if not better than what you're getting from a seedbank, but "pure" Mexican is prone to hermies as is any sativa from lower latitudes. From personal experience, I can recommend Sagamatha and The Flying Dragon stock. If the players haven't changed, they can be trusted as can Gypsy. Some of the "old" stuff is good. For instance, I backcrossed C99, sowed 4 this spring, 2 were destroyed by the wind, one beautiful female was destroyed by me (just didn't need it) and the other one is going gangbusters in a tomato cage with fine medium dark green foliage and flowering outdoors. Drinks a gallon of water a day.
In the future plant regular seeds outdoors, pull the males, and go about your biz. For now if you do this right, you can still yield a shitload of bud from only one plant. I grew one such plant a couple of years ago and ended up with a wheelbarrow full of sativa bud. Your yields will be driven by how well and long you can maintain your leaves in a healthy condition.
Good luck,
UB
veggiegardener
Well-Known Member
" I learned quickly (upon the advise of an old timer) that if you can't take losses, you best get out."
A lot of wisdom in those words.
Stuff happens. Do what you can to be prepared and don't worry about results.(Every crop is a bumper crop, considering conditions.)
Outdoors, you can only do so much.
A lot of wisdom in those words.
Stuff happens. Do what you can to be prepared and don't worry about results.(Every crop is a bumper crop, considering conditions.)
Outdoors, you can only do so much.
Countryfarmer
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Thanks for all the feedback guys. I am a pretty easy-going guy and after spending the better part of yesterday being pissed off, I decided that nothing was being accomplished by me being upset.
I sent an email to http://amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com and received a reply. They are (incorrectly) claiming that I ordered "regular" seeds and not "feminized" when I clearly selected feminized and paid the higher feminized seed price. They are not offering me a refund, or even so much as a replacement package of feminized seeds. So, since the timeframe to contest the charge based on lack of performance by the merchant has passed, all I can do is warn others not to deal with this particular bank.
Oh, and as a bit of trivia. As my pictures show my plants were definitely male and not hermaphrodites. While a regular seed has a roughly 50/50 chance to be either male or female, I computed the odds of all of the seed bank seeds turning out to be male, which turned out to be a roughly 1 in 5000 chance of occurring. That is roughly equivalent to you being struck by lightning at some point in your life assuming you live to be 80 years of age.
This seed bank is a group of shysters simply taking the uninformed's money and marketing a substandard product.
I sent an email to http://amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com and received a reply. They are (incorrectly) claiming that I ordered "regular" seeds and not "feminized" when I clearly selected feminized and paid the higher feminized seed price. They are not offering me a refund, or even so much as a replacement package of feminized seeds. So, since the timeframe to contest the charge based on lack of performance by the merchant has passed, all I can do is warn others not to deal with this particular bank.
Oh, and as a bit of trivia. As my pictures show my plants were definitely male and not hermaphrodites. While a regular seed has a roughly 50/50 chance to be either male or female, I computed the odds of all of the seed bank seeds turning out to be male, which turned out to be a roughly 1 in 5000 chance of occurring. That is roughly equivalent to you being struck by lightning at some point in your life assuming you live to be 80 years of age.
This seed bank is a group of shysters simply taking the uninformed's money and marketing a substandard product.
Countryfarmer
Active Member
Well, while my outdoor grow is not over and done with at this point, I am already in the planning stages of my indoor grow and would like any feedback.
My current plans are to build a completely sealed grow room in my attic space. The dimensions of the entire room will be 12' x 15' x 7'. This entire enclosed space will be further segregated into breeding, vegetative and flowering sections, with perhaps a storage area (have not decided on this yet).
The entire blueprint of the room is still in flux at this point, but as of right now I am planning on a 6' X 6' breeding room, a 6' X 6' vegetative room and a 9' X 9' bud room.
I plan on using a MH/HPS setup with two 600 watt lights in the bud room, and one each 1000 watt light for the breeding and vegetative rooms. I will run a sealed air exchange system from the outside of the house to cool the lights and will vent the heated air into my garage.
Since this is a controlled grow environment I will have to add CO2, and have yet to determine what method I will go with. Right now I am leaning towards a propane based system on an automatic system.
Obviously with the lighting, CO2 system, humidifier (if the air conditioning unit does not perform this task), and heat from the fan motors I will need a good air conditioning system. While I like the water-cooled air conditioning units, they appear to be prohibitively expensive.
So, what system would you folks recommend, and what BTU rating should I install? I would love to get your feedback.
My current plans are to build a completely sealed grow room in my attic space. The dimensions of the entire room will be 12' x 15' x 7'. This entire enclosed space will be further segregated into breeding, vegetative and flowering sections, with perhaps a storage area (have not decided on this yet).
The entire blueprint of the room is still in flux at this point, but as of right now I am planning on a 6' X 6' breeding room, a 6' X 6' vegetative room and a 9' X 9' bud room.
I plan on using a MH/HPS setup with two 600 watt lights in the bud room, and one each 1000 watt light for the breeding and vegetative rooms. I will run a sealed air exchange system from the outside of the house to cool the lights and will vent the heated air into my garage.
Since this is a controlled grow environment I will have to add CO2, and have yet to determine what method I will go with. Right now I am leaning towards a propane based system on an automatic system.
Obviously with the lighting, CO2 system, humidifier (if the air conditioning unit does not perform this task), and heat from the fan motors I will need a good air conditioning system. While I like the water-cooled air conditioning units, they appear to be prohibitively expensive.
So, what system would you folks recommend, and what BTU rating should I install? I would love to get your feedback.
potpimp
Sector 5 Moderator
I live in Georgia too and in the weather we've been having you had better water every day or you won't have any plants left. I took my Super Lemon Haze plants out from under the lights, just to get a day of sunshine and they damn near died by 4:30. I brought them back in, misted them while the fan was running. Of course it was 103 fucking degrees too. Order you some Organocide for your plants; you won't be able to fight off all the grasshoppers, caterpillars, leaf hoppers, etc. and you can use it up until you harvest. Yeah, the clay here sucks for sure. Sorry about your killing your plants; I've killed more than the DEA so I know how you feel. Best of luck to you!
Countryfarmer
Active Member
Would appreciate any informed comments you guys may have on the type and size of the cooling unit I need to obtain for the described indoor grow.
Cannabis patient420
Active Member
yea don't water every day.......... every other day or soil is dry on top
Sure Shot
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Sounds pretty good, hope to see pics soon!
I recommend using the 2 - 1000watt lights in your flower room and the 2 - 600's in the other rooms.
Your flowering plants are no doubt going to be bigger then your vegging ones.
So, your gonna want greater penetration and a larger footprint in your flowering room.
You have the larger footprint already, but not greater penetration!
As far as the A/C goes, Do you have CH/AC?
If so, the best way to go is to tie into this.
If not, the second best would be a dual-hose stand-up A/C.
This is because A/C's use a compressor, which generates heat and needs to be as far out of the environment as possible.
I'm not sure on what size unit would be right for you but I would buy something rated 30-50% bigger then your room.
Keep in mind that a sealed room still needs to be exhausted at dark to remove the CO2. This is because plants can no longer break the CO2 molecule with photons, and needs simple O2.
I recommend using the 2 - 1000watt lights in your flower room and the 2 - 600's in the other rooms.
Your flowering plants are no doubt going to be bigger then your vegging ones.
So, your gonna want greater penetration and a larger footprint in your flowering room.
You have the larger footprint already, but not greater penetration!
As far as the A/C goes, Do you have CH/AC?
If so, the best way to go is to tie into this.
If not, the second best would be a dual-hose stand-up A/C.
This is because A/C's use a compressor, which generates heat and needs to be as far out of the environment as possible.
I'm not sure on what size unit would be right for you but I would buy something rated 30-50% bigger then your room.
Keep in mind that a sealed room still needs to be exhausted at dark to remove the CO2. This is because plants can no longer break the CO2 molecule with photons, and needs simple O2.
Countryfarmer
Active Member
Thanks Sure Shot for the feedback.
I have a central a/c unit, but wouldn't it create positive air pressure in the sealed room if I ducted into it? I wouldn't be able to exhaust back to the a/c unit because then I would get the smell of the grow room throughout my house and would defeat the advantages of being able to control the CO2 levels as that would be exhausted as well. Correct?
I have looked at the various a/c units and think I have nailed down some of the efficiencies/inefficiencies:
Window unit: Inefficient and even with closed venting can still leak some of the grow room air outside, but relatively easy to install and maintain
Portable unit: Inefficient with some of the same problems as a window unit
Mini split: Within my price range and efficient, but I don't know if I have enough "know-how" to install one
Water-cooled: With the exception of geothermal, the most efficient, but the units I have seen so far are pricey and wasteful of water. If I used one I would want a unit with a chiller attached in order to reuse the water instead of dumping it down a drain. This unit does seem nice in that it uses less electricity and takes care of any heat related problems associated with the air conditioner as all of the heat is dissipated outside of the grow room.
While I know this is the outdoor section and my outdoor grow is still going (such that it is), I have appreciated you guys' input and would like to have it for my indoor grow as well. Thanks again!
I have a central a/c unit, but wouldn't it create positive air pressure in the sealed room if I ducted into it? I wouldn't be able to exhaust back to the a/c unit because then I would get the smell of the grow room throughout my house and would defeat the advantages of being able to control the CO2 levels as that would be exhausted as well. Correct?
I have looked at the various a/c units and think I have nailed down some of the efficiencies/inefficiencies:
Window unit: Inefficient and even with closed venting can still leak some of the grow room air outside, but relatively easy to install and maintain
Portable unit: Inefficient with some of the same problems as a window unit
Mini split: Within my price range and efficient, but I don't know if I have enough "know-how" to install one
Water-cooled: With the exception of geothermal, the most efficient, but the units I have seen so far are pricey and wasteful of water. If I used one I would want a unit with a chiller attached in order to reuse the water instead of dumping it down a drain. This unit does seem nice in that it uses less electricity and takes care of any heat related problems associated with the air conditioner as all of the heat is dissipated outside of the grow room.
While I know this is the outdoor section and my outdoor grow is still going (such that it is), I have appreciated you guys' input and would like to have it for my indoor grow as well. Thanks again!
Sure Shot
Well-Known Member
Take this into consideration.
Air is not uniform. It is a mix of invisible gases.
Roughly 78% Nitrogen, 20.95% Oxygen, 0.93% Argon, 0.038% Carbon Dioxide.
What we need to supplement is Carbon Dioxide and Oxygen.
Luckily for us, Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide are both heavier then Nitrogen.
So, if you put a small passive exhaust through the ceiling of your grow(high as you can in attic), the exhaust should be mostly the unwanted Nitrogen + heat.
I would also put my central A/C intake as high as possible.
This is because the cold, CO2 rich air is the heaviest in there. Therefore it falls straight to the floor.
This is why I would also recommend placing a fan as low to the ground as possible and facing it upwards.
The A/C also acts as a dehumidifier so that's a plus!
Air is not uniform. It is a mix of invisible gases.
Roughly 78% Nitrogen, 20.95% Oxygen, 0.93% Argon, 0.038% Carbon Dioxide.
What we need to supplement is Carbon Dioxide and Oxygen.
Luckily for us, Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide are both heavier then Nitrogen.
So, if you put a small passive exhaust through the ceiling of your grow(high as you can in attic), the exhaust should be mostly the unwanted Nitrogen + heat.
I would also put my central A/C intake as high as possible.
This is because the cold, CO2 rich air is the heaviest in there. Therefore it falls straight to the floor.
This is why I would also recommend placing a fan as low to the ground as possible and facing it upwards.
The A/C also acts as a dehumidifier so that's a plus!
Uncle Ben
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Such fraud and misrepresentation cuts across every sector of the cannabis industry. Dat guy you thought was cool and your friend just screwed ya. It is what it is.
We have a huge infestation of grasshoppers this year, even eating cactus and holly. They have left my pot in the field untouched, go figure.
UB
Countryfarmer
Active Member
Well, ran out of liquid fence and finally got around to getting some more. Evidently I got it a weekend too late. The deer ate a two foot plant. Left nothing but the stalk. Luckily for me it was the runt of the bunch.
Anyway, went out to the site early this morning to see if any of the remainder of the plants had shown sex yet at which point I discovered I was feeding the deer's pot habit. I had brought along some more liquid fence and rectified the problem.
I also tried transplanting the other two foot plant into a spot that one of the males had been in. I dug a one foot radius around the plant and as far down as I could get, but I still tore a lot of roots. When I left the site the plant was showing definite signs of transplant stress, so when I go out there next I might be writing "and then there were six".
Oh well. Life is still good. My wife still loves me. And I am pretty sure God and I are cool. So even if this entire grow gets me nothing but some experience it will still have been worth the effort.
Keep the feedback coming folks, both on this grow as well as on my planned indoor grow. Take care.
Anyway, went out to the site early this morning to see if any of the remainder of the plants had shown sex yet at which point I discovered I was feeding the deer's pot habit. I had brought along some more liquid fence and rectified the problem.
I also tried transplanting the other two foot plant into a spot that one of the males had been in. I dug a one foot radius around the plant and as far down as I could get, but I still tore a lot of roots. When I left the site the plant was showing definite signs of transplant stress, so when I go out there next I might be writing "and then there were six".
Oh well. Life is still good. My wife still loves me. And I am pretty sure God and I are cool. So even if this entire grow gets me nothing but some experience it will still have been worth the effort.
Keep the feedback coming folks, both on this grow as well as on my planned indoor grow. Take care.