Creating cloned seeds (anyone with strong knowledge in genetics?)

mockasin

mockasin

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I'm planning on a bit of an endeavor right now... I only have one seed to work with, and I want to create offspring from this single plant alone (it is a feminized autoflower). I understand this could prove to be difficult and I may end up killing one or all of my plants, but I'm mostly doing this for fun and because it's interesting to me.
To lay out the plan:
  • Germinate the mother plant, wait 10 days.
  • Assuming proper growth (I plan on putting it under 20:4 or even 24:0 in hopes it will be on the larger end in spite of its young age), take two cuttings from the bottom of the plant.
  • Attempt to root both plants. Separate them from the mother.
  • Use colloidal silver to force one of the plants to produce pollen.
  • Allow other clone to start producing seeds.
  • End result: "cloned" seeds created from a single plant?
Keep in mind that pollen produced from female flowers using colloidal silver are not true "hermies". Hermies created from stress are fucked up at genetic level, meaning they often cause fucked up child plants and sometimes the child ends up being a hermie as well. My question is this:
Would a seed produced by crossing pollen and flowers of the same plant be genetically the same as the kinds of seeds created from stress or genetic hermies? Would I be able to get a "normal" plant from a seed like this?
 
mauricem00

mauricem00

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mockasin said:
I'm planning on a bit of an endeavor right now... I only have one seed to work with, and I want to create offspring from this single plant alone (it is a feminized autoflower). I understand this could prove to be difficult and I may end up killing one or all of my plants, but I'm mostly doing this for fun and because it's interesting to me.
To lay out the plan:
  • Germinate the mother plant, wait 10 days.
  • Assuming proper growth (I plan on putting it under 20:4 or even 24:0 in hopes it will be on the larger end in spite of its young age), take two cuttings from the bottom of the plant.
  • Attempt to root both plants. Separate them from the mother.
  • Use colloidal silver to force one of the plants to produce pollen.
  • Allow other clone to start producing seeds.
  • End result: "cloned" seeds created from a single plant?
Keep in mind that pollen produced from female flowers using colloidal silver are not true "hermies". Hermies created from stress are fucked up at genetic level, meaning they often cause fucked up child plants and sometimes the child ends up being a hermie as well. My question is this:
Would a seed produced by crossing pollen and flowers of the same plant be genetically the same as the kinds of seeds created from stress or genetic hermies? Would I be able to get a "normal" plant from a seed like this?
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sounds like an interesting experiment. good luck but I think you have a long uphill road doing it with an auto
 
dynospec

dynospec

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mockasin said:
I'm planning on a bit of an endeavor right now... I only have one seed to work with, and I want to create offspring from this single plant alone (it is a feminized autoflower). I understand this could prove to be difficult and I may end up killing one or all of my plants, but I'm mostly doing this for fun and because it's interesting to me.
To lay out the plan:
  • Germinate the mother plant, wait 10 days.
  • Assuming proper growth (I plan on putting it under 20:4 or even 24:0 in hopes it will be on the larger end in spite of its young age), take two cuttings from the bottom of the plant.
  • Attempt to root both plants. Separate them from the mother.
  • Use colloidal silver to force one of the plants to produce pollen.
  • Allow other clone to start producing seeds.
  • End result: "cloned" seeds created from a single plant?
Keep in mind that pollen produced from female flowers using colloidal silver are not true "hermies". Hermies created from stress are fucked up at genetic level, meaning they often cause fucked up child plants and sometimes the child ends up being a hermie as well. My question is this:
Would a seed produced by crossing pollen and flowers of the same plant be genetically the same as the kinds of seeds created from stress or genetic hermies? Would I be able to get a "normal" plant from a seed like this?
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This has been covered i wish i could find it again now. Why bother with clones? they are not a good idea imo. just CS a branch and go nuts,. seeds made in this manner will not be any more likely to hermie than their parent(s)
 
mockasin

mockasin

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dynospec said:
This has been covered i wish i could find it again now. Why bother with clones? they are not a good idea imo. just CS a branch and go nuts,. seeds made in this manner will not be any more likely to hermie than their parent(s)
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Oh neat you can CS just a branch? So then you can have both pollen sacs and flowers on the same plant? I didn't know that. I wanted to keep the mother as a fail safe in case one or both clones died, but this info changes things if I'm understanding you correctly.
 
mockasin

mockasin

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Awesome, that's good to know, thanks!
And yeah, just cloning won't allow me to keep plants going after the mother comes to harvest, which is the crux of my problem. I like the idea of autoflowers, but I don't want to be dependent on seed banks, and from what I've read it can be quite difficult to properly breed autoflower seeds since the trait is selected for and the seeds have to be "stabilized" (which I admit I still don't fully understand. I'm very much a beginner)

edit: oh I see the other thread now that's talking about this.
 
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MonkeyGrinder

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If you REALLY want a lot of beans then bend that girl over and tie her down through her whole growth cycle.
More branches = more nodes = more budsites = more pistils = more seeds.
Then you'll be like Wtf am I gonna do with a jar full of beans?
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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Ya op, autos are only good sometimes. You have no control over them, theyre easy to screw up, and theyre low thc usually. If beans are what you want, pollenate a photo plant. Theres lots of guys who grow 12/12 from seed if they have lots of beans. You can have a short plant, or a tall plant. Your call, but one thing thats for sure is that 9/10 times, youre gonna have better bud. Do yourself a favor and order some single regs via pick n mix. Then just run an open polination if you get a male. You can still smoke the weed after you get the seeds out. Or make shatter. With colloidal silver, the weed touched by it is garbage.
 
mockasin

mockasin

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Wasn't asking about whether or not to use autos, that was a personal choice that had mostly to do with the space I have available to me and my experience level. Looking into cloning and breeding got me into the idea, which I thought could be interesting.
Problem solved though.
 
DankBudzzz

DankBudzzz

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mockasin said:
Wasn't asking about whether or not to use autos, that was a personal choice that had mostly to do with the space I have available to me and my experience level. Looking into cloning and breeding got me into the idea, which I thought could be interesting.
Problem solved though.
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Photos are way more forgiving for a beginner, any mistakes with an auto and your toast, also I'm fairly certain seeds made by CS won't all be auto and if anything would destabilize the genetics. Your better off finding a quick photo strain, some can be done within 60 days from seed in 12/12, your auto may even take longer, ive seen some go for 100 days
 
Alienwidow

Alienwidow

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mockasin said:
Wasn't asking about whether or not to use autos, that was a personal choice that had mostly to do with the space I have available to me and my experience level. Looking into cloning and breeding got me into the idea, which I thought could be interesting.
Problem solved though.
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Seriously autos are harder to grow than photos. Theres no second chances with autos so theres that.
 
☢Smokey♛Dragon♨❀

☢Smokey♛Dragon♨❀

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I say its definitely worth a shot, and you can take a clone from the auto it won't age any until the roots develop, but I would do so in vegetative stage, CS does make femenized seed, but I prefer to use a father plant, I've recently made some auto seeds and am quite happy with the results, still have the fathers pollen in the freeze, going to back cross in 3 weeks... Best of luck
@moondance might have some input, he's a well known breeder...
 
moondance

moondance

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Hey All If it were me doing it and I am kinda working with a strain right now that had 5 beans left in this world that I know of in my collection. Lucily 2 grew out from the 5 and are now in the basement hehe. I would do the CS treatment on say 3 branches and get seeds a plenty, then you can pop as many as you want and pollenate them with whoevers baby daddy you choose LOL but you have a lot more to play with and the risk minimizes greatly that you kill out the very plant your trying to salvage. You seem to have the passion for it going so anyway you go its a learning experience for you and us.
MD
 
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