Did I Mess Up My Cure?

DoubleAtotheRON

Well-Known Member
Just a thought.. maybe your bud rot/mold was there before you jarred them? I have taken down the last crop and we sold it wet to processors. We did find some bud rot as we were taking it down. Only a couple out of 87 plants mind you, but it' still a possibility, and we tossed them.
 

ChiefRunningPhist

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Jarring is only meant to fine tune the ending moisture content.

I'd have to agree with many here that jarring can lead to crap results if not done properly. I'd also agree if you can manage your dry room well enough that jarring is really not needed except to store the bud.

When air temp drops, RH increases. Your cold packs could have exacerbated issues.

If you crack a jar and it doesn't smell good, and the leaves are decomposing, then you've too much moisture. You need to burp more often or allow the buds to dry longer in your dry room before jarring up. If you think it's ready to jar, then give it another day. I always think they are ready, but I've learned when the leaves are crunchy and I think they're ready, they're not lol, they need 1 more day.

A jar is a small space. Compared to a room, the amount of air volume in a jar can only evaporate or hold a very small amount of water before becoming saturated. This limits the speed at which the plant dries. Burping allows the water-saturated air a chance to escape and let new dry air in to absorb and begin evaporating moisture again from the buds when the lid goes back on the jar. The moisture takes time to migrate from the "inner's" of the different parts of the plant to the outer edges of the plant where the air actually comes into contact with the plant tissue. The moisture closest to the air/plant interaction boundary evaporates first. This is why you give it another day when you think they are ready to jar. The edges may be crunchy but due to the time it takes the moisture to travel and equalize in the plant tissue (and due to room water vapor pressure, RH is an indicator of), there's still plenty of moisture hiding in the stem ect. Jarring also helps distribute the moisture evenly, so that the entire bud dries at the same rate. I believe this helps with the smoothness, but also helps to give a more accurate assessment to when its completed. In a jar, the moisture level at the outer part of the bud will be the same as the moisture level of the inner part of the bud.

The bigger the jar the more I have to burp. The fuller the jar the more I have to burp. For the first few days I don't use the screw ring, just place the thin lids on top, I will slide the lid over a bit to create a small amount of air flow depending on how wet they are, sometimes all day & night, but sometimes only for a few hours, depends on how wet they are. Ill dump the entire jar out and put the buds back in to keep the buds from clumping periodically. Be gentle, don't knock trichs off. I've had mold in jars and also had decomposing buds in jars, this is what I do now and have pretty consistent results. Good luck :bigjoint:

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The bud rot pathogens and mold spores are always present, it's the environment that controls for their propagation. I also wet trim now too. The bigger the braches (the Jewish menorah looking ones), the more moisture needing to escape per sample size, and thus more moisture is retained in the branch per time, this means I cut the big lower branches into small sub-branches to create uniform branches of similar mass/surface area. The bigger leaves falling over and covering the buds of newly cut but un-trimmed herb seemed to help promote mold growth imo. I dried this way when I couldn't control for RH, ie in very dry areas, so I tried to keep as much moisture retained as long as I could which meant full plant un-trimmed dries, but in a controlled environment, I roughly trim it up while it's still wet, if the leaves are sticking straight out it's not so bad.
 
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LinguaPeel

Well-Known Member
Sounds like you got unlucky, picking up spores your plant couldn't defend against, and further fucking yourself by accidentally cultivating them to alpha status. Powdery mildew, botritus etc do not care if the bud is connected to the root; wild environmental swings, like instantly sealing hanging buds up in a tight nonpermeable space, will set the shit off.

Stop being a hippy, and use plastic bags. Burping jars, in reality, is facilitating slow controlled oxidation and enzyme activity requiring [minimal] fresh air exchange. As quick as you open, sniff, and close the jars, youve done the job of burping. Burping has very little to do with changing moisture levels. In and out of the jar? Leaving the lids off for hours? That's not the idea behind burping, at all.

I cant speak much about the typical terpene-oriented American garbage people are growing, except for the fact most people grow overfed unflushed pesticide laced weed, with novelty additives equivalent to that scented gasoline additive some classic car guys use, and this skews their reality of curing to an extreme. It even bleeds into organic production. Everything I state about curing applies to FA derivative weed, you know, the mythical skunks, chems, diesels, hashplants that apparently no one in America grows, besides myself (a crippled old man who has zero use for 99% of weed produced by the ignorant unevolved kids who grow today.)

Many people believe "dirt" is a genetic flavor, but it is literally the smell of unflushed uptakes from the soil. These people believe they are tasting chlorophyll, while it's the uptakes making the bud nasty. Organic uptakes will convert into flavors over time. Even this action could be considered curing, for sure. Not a myth. I've had the dirt smell of improperly harvested bud turn into candy after a month. And turn into a very specific gourmet candy flavor that painted a very specific pinkish purple glow in the mind of everyone who vaped it, after 4 months.

Their are only two groups who deny the power of the cure: Those who cure prior to chop, hang under sheets of plastic for a month before jarring and call it something other than curing, and those who have yet to experience Cannabis flavors. (They should take a trip to Spain and see what kind of hash the poor muslims are exporting from their hot, dry climates. There is no such thing as "this years hash", aside from whats locked away in a clay jar with a "do not open til 2021" note attached.)

The flavor of aged Cannabis cannot be met by any other substance on earth, nor can the high be replicated. The cure is truth. Harsh and smooth are not flavors, I really wonder how/why so many Americans actually have no concept of flavor. The majority of Americans seem not to have the ability to taste, and aren't even aware they aren't able to taste, attributing flavor to smell. They also apparently have caveman dna because the unflushed shit most Americans grow really fucks with human sinuses and doesn't give humans a strong clean high, yet it gets grown and consumed by the kiloton.

Synthetic uptakes will slowly break down into less offensive contaminants, but the actual cure is impossible with this [negative scoring] grade of [tainted] weed. These are the Brovida buds that dominate the western US,or anywhere grow shops exist, really. I no longer use the term "nutes", because people fire back with "you cant taste nitrogen". Well, when I smell your Botanicare, its the methyl salicylate I'm detecting, not the nitrogen (the undisclosed built-in pesticide used to offset the susceptibility caused by the ferts). And that human poison makes the cure impossible.


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From open room hanging, to open loose plastic, to slightly tighter plastic, finally to tied off oven bags. Jars only after the bud is completely finished drying. Look at it this way: you want to do it backwards from how your Internet-addled brain tells you: Slowly raise RH, by slowly creating a increasingly smaller, more constricted microenvironment around the moist buds, so that the bud MC and the microenvironments RH meet at equilibrium, at a smokable state (less than 20% MC.) This is the curve that almost everyone gets wrong,as they attempt to drop moisture level across the board,then cram the bud into the tiniest microenvironment, instantly. This is called "square wave" in spirit science. Like having fucking cubes for wheels,it destroys the vehicle.
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Personally, throw all your meters and number charts and gadgetry in the trash. You can grind a small piece of herb and just look how it busts up, and know if it can be jarred yet. I dont have a clue what MC I store at, closer to 10% than 20% before jarred I'm sure. Worshipping numbers and calculators really doesn't help learn the product you're producing. Save the numerics for later.



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Or:
Curing is a myth. Thats why everyone has trouble with it.

I know some fools curing resin for over a decade thinking it's going to get better, wonder where they get these ideas. Probably from some backwards nations who still grow seeded weed. Good weed is a myth. Tastes buds and getting real high are myths.
 
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Bobby Long Buds

Well-Known Member
Sounds like you got unlucky, picking up spores your plant couldn't defend against, and further fucked yourself by accidentally cultivated them to alpha status. Powdery mildew, botritus etc do not care if the bud is connected to the root; wild environmental swings, like instantly sealing hanging buds up in a tight nonpermeable space, will set the shit off.

Stop being a hippy, and use plastic bags. Burping jars, in reality, is facilitating slow controlled oxidation and enzyme activity requiring [minimal] fresh air exchange. As quick as you open, sniff, and close the jars, youve done the job of burping. Burping has very little to do with changing moisture levels. In and out of the jar? Leaving the lids off for hours? That's not the idea behind burping, at all.

I cant speak much about the typical terpene-oriented American garbage people are growing, except for the fact most people grow overfed unflushed pesticide laced weed, with novelty additives equivalent to that scented gasoline additive some classic car guys use, and this skews their reality of curing to an extreme. It even bleeds into organic production. Everything I state about curing applies to FA derivative weed, you know, the mythical skunks, chems, diesels, hashplants that apparently no one in America grows, besides myself (a crippled old man who has zero use for 99% of weed produced by the ignorant unevolved kids who grow today.

Many people believe "dirt" is a genetic flavor, but it is literally the smell of unflushed uptakes from the soil. These people believe that are tasting chlorophyll, while its the uptakes making the bud nasty. Organic uptakes will convert into flavors over time. This could be considered curing, for sure. Not a myth. I've had the dirt smell of improperly harvested bud turn into candy after a month. And turn into a very specific gourmet candy flavor that painted a very specific pinkish purple glow in the mind of everyone who vaped it, after 4 months.

Their are only two groups who deny the power of the cure: Those who cure prior to chop, hang under sheets of plastic for a month before jarring and call it something other than curing, and those who have yet to experience Cannabis flavors. (They should take a trip to Spain and see what kind of hash the poor muslims are exporting from their hot, dry climates. There is no such thing as "this years hash", aside from whats locked away in a clay jar with a "do not open til 2021" note attached.)

The flavor of aged Cannabis cannot be met by any other substance on earth. The cure is truth. Harsh and smooth are not flavors, I really wonder how/why so many Americans actually have no concept of flavor. The majority of Americans seem not to have the ability to taste, and aren't even aware they aren't able to taste, attributing flavor to smell. They also apparently have caveman dna because the unflushed shit most Americans grow really fucks with human sinuses, doesn't give humans a strong clean high, yet it gets grown and consumed by the kiloton.

Synthetic uptakes will slowly break down into less offensive contaminants, but the actual cure is impossible with this [negative scoring] grade of [tainted] weed. These are the Brovida buds that dominate the western US,or anywhere grow shops exist, really. I no longer use the term "nutes", because people fire back with "you cant taste nitrogen", we'll when I smell your Botanicare, its the methyl salicylate I'm detecting, not the nitrogen. And that human poison makes the cure impossible.


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From open room hanging, to open loose plastic, to slightly tighter plastic, finally to tied off oven bags. Jars only after the bud is completely finished drying. Look at it this way: you want to do it backwards from how your Internet-addled brain tells you: Slowly raise RH, by slowly creating a increasingly smaller, more constricted microenvironment around the moist buds, so that the bud MC and the microenvironments RH meet at equilibrium, at a smokable state (less than 20% MC.) This is the curve that almost everyone gets wrong,as they attempt to drop moisture level across the board,then cram the bud into the tiniest microenvironment, instantly. This is called "square wave" in spirit science. Like having fucking cubes for wheels,I destroys the vehicle.
********************* *

Personally, throw all your meters and number charts and gadgetry in the trash. You can grind a small piece of herb and just look how it busts up, and know if it can be jarred yet. I dont have a clue what MC I store at, closer to 10% than 20% before jarred I'm sure. Worshipping numbers and calculators really doesn't help learn the product you're producing. Save the numerics for later.



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Or:
Curing is a myth. Thats why everyone has trouble with it.

I know some fools curing resin for over a decade thinking it's going to get better, wonder where they get these ideas. Probably from some backwards nations who still grow seeded weed. Good weed is a myth. Tastes buds and getting real high are myths.
I’m confused? What do you suggest?
 

ChiefRunningPhist

Well-Known Member
Burping has very little to do with changing moisture. In and out of the jar? Leaving the lids off for hours? That's not the idea behind burping, at al
Burping exchanges air, and the entire point. If you've jarred to early then you'll have to constantly "burp" or constantly exchange air. Each grow and strain is a bit different so it's not exact. Jarring is just "slowly drying."


Harsh and smooth are not flavors, I really wonder how/why so many Americans actually have no concept of flavor. The majority of Americans seem not to have the ability to taste, and aren't even aware they aren't. The also apparently have caveman dna because they unflushed shit really fucks with human sinuses, doesn't get you a strong clean high, yet it gets grown and consumed by the kiloton
Lol... Cavemen..
I don't think harsh and smooth are flavors, but if your weed is harsh it doesn't matter what the flavor is. If your weed is smooth then you can taste the flavor and enjoy whatever flavor your prefer.

I'd recommend a paper grocery bag. I've used turkey bags to store, but I wouldn't recommend zip lock bags to dry in if that's what you are saying. The air escapes and the bag sides lay on the bud, a jar doesn't lay on the buds and has less surface area to come into contact with the buds.

I'd agree that the Boveda packs add too much moisture. The water takes the flavor.
 

Ryante55

Well-Known Member
Hi guys. First time posting here as I just harvested, dried for 2 weeks (60T/60H) and have been "curing" in jars with hygrometers for 6 weeks+. I was told/learned that you burp for first 1-3 weeks until humidity is 60-62 (62 being ideal) then don't open again until ready to consume. Is that the "best" way to cure? I ask because yesterday I randomly decided to open one of my jars and noticed a bit of yellowing inside a few buds so I decided to check everything and noticed my biggest buds had some white fuzz in them upon looking with my 30x loupe. When cracking the buds under light I notice a dust that goes up almost like a smoke. I know that it is 100% mold/fungus and I'm not discouraged because everything is a learning experience but what exactly caused this? I have the jars in a cooler and temp never goes above 69F but sometimes I'll put an ice pack ontop of a thick stack of paper towel ontop of the jars to drop the temp inside. Any input or help is greatly appreciated as I really tried to take all steps to prevent anything like this from happening. Thanks in advance!
Sounds like you had some bud rot starting when you harvested your drying/curing most likely isn't the problem it sounds like you did that pretty well. We're there an small dead leaves on the buds that were really easy to pull out when you were trimming? Like the sugar leaves not the big fan leaves? Budrot can be hard to spot if you haven't seen it before
 

DankNoTill

Well-Known Member
Man I really appreciate the detailed explanations guys and I think there's some strong info in this thread. Going to get toasted and give it some real thought.

Sounds like you had some bud rot starting when you harvested your drying/curing most likely isn't the problem it sounds like you did that pretty well. We're there an small dead leaves on the buds that were really easy to pull out when you were trimming? Like the sugar leaves not the big fan leaves? Budrot can be hard to spot if you haven't seen it before
Honestly no leaves came off unless I cut them off at that point. I didn't get any sense that there was any mold or anything of the sort at harvest but I don't know for sure. I feel like if it started before harvest there would be a lot more mold visible but I really don't know shit other than what I've seen online etc.
 

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
Correct dude, chlorophyll breaks down into green compounds and takes longer than the dry and also why if you dry too fast with heat and fans you stop the process and bud taste nasty from the unbroken chlorophyll and other stuff.

You see why the other method is so technically bad and produces far too many threads like this or boveda supporters.

All should learn the old ways before trying the idiot new ways or you will be confused and mold your bud ruining three months hard work :-)



I figure the chloraphyl gets processed in the 2 weeks or so that it is drying in the dark. I always assumed that's why quick dried weed (3 days or less) didn't taste as good as slower dried weed. I'm not a scientist though.
 

DankNoTill

Well-Known Member
Correct dude, chlorophyll breaks down into green compounds and takes longer than the dry and also why if you dry too fast with heat and fans you stop the process and bud taste nasty from the unbroken chlorophyll and other stuff.

You see why the other method is so technically bad and produces far too many threads like this or boveda supporters.

All should learn the old ways before trying the idiot new ways or you will be confused and mold your bud ruining three months hard work :-)
What is the old way? Problem is, anybody doing any research online runs into jar curing info. Everywhere you read says they go into jars after hang drying.
 

70's natureboy

Well-Known Member
Sounds like you got unlucky, picking up spores your plant couldn't defend against, and further fucking yourself by accidentally cultivating them to alpha status. Powdery mildew, botritus etc do not care if the bud is connected to the root; wild environmental swings, like instantly sealing hanging buds up in a tight nonpermeable space, will set the shit off.

Stop being a hippy, and use plastic bags. Burping jars, in reality, is facilitating slow controlled oxidation and enzyme activity requiring [minimal] fresh air exchange. As quick as you open, sniff, and close the jars, youve done the job of burping. Burping has very little to do with changing moisture levels. In and out of the jar? Leaving the lids off for hours? That's not the idea behind burping, at all.

I cant speak much about the typical terpene-oriented American garbage people are growing, except for the fact most people grow overfed unflushed pesticide laced weed, with novelty additives equivalent to that scented gasoline additive some classic car guys use, and this skews their reality of curing to an extreme. It even bleeds into organic production. Everything I state about curing applies to FA derivative weed, you know, the mythical skunks, chems, diesels, hashplants that apparently no one in America grows, besides myself (a crippled old man who has zero use for 99% of weed produced by the ignorant unevolved kids who grow today.)

Many people believe "dirt" is a genetic flavor, but it is literally the smell of unflushed uptakes from the soil. These people believe they are tasting chlorophyll, while it's the uptakes making the bud nasty. Organic uptakes will convert into flavors over time. Even this action could be considered curing, for sure. Not a myth. I've had the dirt smell of improperly harvested bud turn into candy after a month. And turn into a very specific gourmet candy flavor that painted a very specific pinkish purple glow in the mind of everyone who vaped it, after 4 months.

Their are only two groups who deny the power of the cure: Those who cure prior to chop, hang under sheets of plastic for a month before jarring and call it something other than curing, and those who have yet to experience Cannabis flavors. (They should take a trip to Spain and see what kind of hash the poor muslims are exporting from their hot, dry climates. There is no such thing as "this years hash", aside from whats locked away in a clay jar with a "do not open til 2021" note attached.)

The flavor of aged Cannabis cannot be met by any other substance on earth, nor can the high be replicated. The cure is truth. Harsh and smooth are not flavors, I really wonder how/why so many Americans actually have no concept of flavor. The majority of Americans seem not to have the ability to taste, and aren't even aware they aren't able to taste, attributing flavor to smell. They also apparently have caveman dna because the unflushed shit most Americans grow really fucks with human sinuses and doesn't give humans a strong clean high, yet it gets grown and consumed by the kiloton.

Synthetic uptakes will slowly break down into less offensive contaminants, but the actual cure is impossible with this [negative scoring] grade of [tainted] weed. These are the Brovida buds that dominate the western US,or anywhere grow shops exist, really. I no longer use the term "nutes", because people fire back with "you cant taste nitrogen". Well, when I smell your Botanicare, its the methyl salicylate I'm detecting, not the nitrogen (the undisclosed built-in pesticide used to offset the susceptibility caused by the ferts). And that human poison makes the cure impossible.


******************* *
From open room hanging, to open loose plastic, to slightly tighter plastic, finally to tied off oven bags. Jars only after the bud is completely finished drying. Look at it this way: you want to do it backwards from how your Internet-addled brain tells you: Slowly raise RH, by slowly creating a increasingly smaller, more constricted microenvironment around the moist buds, so that the bud MC and the microenvironments RH meet at equilibrium, at a smokable state (less than 20% MC.) This is the curve that almost everyone gets wrong,as they attempt to drop moisture level across the board,then cram the bud into the tiniest microenvironment, instantly. This is called "square wave" in spirit science. Like having fucking cubes for wheels,it destroys the vehicle.
********************* *

Personally, throw all your meters and number charts and gadgetry in the trash. You can grind a small piece of herb and just look how it busts up, and know if it can be jarred yet. I dont have a clue what MC I store at, closer to 10% than 20% before jarred I'm sure. Worshipping numbers and calculators really doesn't help learn the product you're producing. Save the numerics for later.



----------------------------
Or:
Curing is a myth. Thats why everyone has trouble with it.

I know some fools curing resin for over a decade thinking it's going to get better, wonder where they get these ideas. Probably from some backwards nations who still grow seeded weed. Good weed is a myth. Tastes buds and getting real high are myths.
I usually like Lingua's posts in a left field kind of way. This post made me think of the judge.

 

beercan

Well-Known Member
So last ones i trimmed i chopped trimmed all the way up and placed buds on screens in tent and after 3 days the outside was starting to get a little crunchy, seems i have done this all wrong, so to save em should I go ahead and put them in jars?
 

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
What is the old way? Problem is, anybody doing any research online runs into jar curing info. Everywhere you read says they go into jars after hang drying.
Jarring is pointless except to store dried weed that already smokes nice for a short period or to allow a full four to six months for futher breakdown (by stuff that works at dried bud moisture levels such as certain bacterias and enzymes) so a difference can be noticed.

The old way is simply this - peeps knew it took a week to hang dry but tasted better after two. It seems crazy nobody knows this much :-)
 

bird mcbride

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I grow in no till living soil so flushing of any kind is off the table unfortunately. I don't even get runoff.




Lol the contradiction kills me, one dude says sweat good other says sweat bad.
I sweat the weed until it feels moist again after the dry. I hang it again until it's at a proper dryness. I go by feel. Then it gets trimmed from the stalk. I use beer coolers to do the sweat.

Do not over sweat your weed.. Don't seal it away moist.
 

bird mcbride

Well-Known Member
Do yourselves a favor and sticks some coins into a reverse osmosis water machine and get about a liter a snip. When you do the chop stick your chopped off snips into a bucket of RO water and allow each snip to take up about at half liter of water each before starting the cure. This way you have purified water drying in the buds and not feed water.

Stick something to hold the snips from the bottom of the bucket as the sap is heavier and will sink to the bottom. It's like 24 hours.

I also spray clean the plants before the chop with a pump up sprayer and potable water.
 

Kingrow1

Well-Known Member
Rep with four plusses is reserved for those who show legedary skills, enjoy -

Rep++++ :-)



One thing we do use when drying is a digital wood moisture probe. It has 2 sharp prongs that you can stab the bud with, and it will show moisture content. We get it down to 11-12%, and then buck and cure. I got it off of Amazon for like $30.
 
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