Do genetics change over time?

TherealMickey

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Have supported several strains over several years including one for the past 17 years with mothers and clones. Nothing has changed for about the last 10 years. Same location and indoor set up. This one Romulin has historically produced baseball sized flower. Bulbs are strong and changed yearly. This same strain is now acting healthy but just not getting the size that it used to. It still tests at 19% so the strength hasn't changed. Taste hasn't either. The product has just decreased. I always thought genetics doesn't change but now after 17 years on the same one I'm starting to wonder if is "worn out" Anyone have a theory or similar experience?
 

Gond00s

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There is a thread on here "clone of a clone of a clone" or something like that. Lots of info on that subject, and one of the most OG dairy gangstas in the world has added to it, so, ummmm, at least it's entertaining
sending him into the shit show without him being prepared could be a problem
 

TherealMickey

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Thanks. I read through it until I got tired. Seems like the opinion is they do in fact wear out 15 to 20 years. This one is at 17 so that fits. Bummer
 

TherealMickey

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With 20 years at this I think I got that part. Symptom is only in one strain and they are treated the same in the same location. Its the oldest one maintained so with all other variables being the same with comparable strains thriving receiving the same treatment, its the obvious conclusion.
 

thenasty1

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Have supported several strains over several years including one for the past 17 years with mothers and clones. Nothing has changed for about the last 10 years. Same location and indoor set up. This one Romulin has historically produced baseball sized flower. Bulbs are strong and changed yearly. This same strain is now acting healthy but just not getting the size that it used to. It still tests at 19% so the strength hasn't changed. Taste hasn't either. The product has just decreased. I always thought genetics doesn't change but now after 17 years on the same one I'm starting to wonder if is "worn out" Anyone have a theory or similar experience?
try putting one outdoors for a while, then taking cuts and bringing those back inside
 

vostok

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Have supported several strains over several years including one for the past 17 years with mothers and clones. Nothing has changed for about the last 10 years. Same location and indoor set up. This one Romulin has historically produced baseball sized flower. Bulbs are strong and changed yearly. This same strain is now acting healthy but just not getting the size that it used to. It still tests at 19% so the strength hasn't changed. Taste hasn't either. The product has just decreased. I always thought genetics doesn't change but now after 17 years on the same one I'm starting to wonder if is "worn out" Anyone have a theory or similar experience?
I had the same with my Kerala a sativa from south India, indeed time does mutate genes as will time mutate this covid19
when cloning with a mom I go 18 months max before restarting with a new mom/seed I think I can go 2-3 years.. but why push it

good luck
 

TherealMickey

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I had the same with my Kerala a sativa from south India, indeed time does mutate genes as will time mutate this covid19
when cloning with a mom I go 18 months max before restarting with a new mom/seed I think I can go 2-3 years.. but why push it

good luck
Yea. Only thing is this old school strain isn't in a seed bank that I trust/use.
 

xtsho

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This is a subject that people will never agree on. I personally wouldn't want to run the same strain for that long. I'd make seeds of it for the future. They might not be the same and if I lost some great pheno then oh well. Something just as good or better will come along.

I had the same with my Kerala a sativa from south India, indeed time does mutate genes as will time mutate this covid19
when cloning with a mom I go 18 months max before restarting with a new mom/seed I think I can go 2-3 years.. but why push it

good luck
How is that Kerala? I have a pack I got from The Real Seed Company. They even have a picture of one growing here in Oregon.

 

Powertech

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The genetics are somewhat changed through time, it is mandatory law of physics. When you take a clone, and then grow it out for a mother, and then use a clone from her to make a new mother, and so on, there is that time as you grow it out where it takes on its own characteristics. Add a disease, that disease will carry over to all future generations unless it is curable. Keep it healthier than any plant you have ever had, the clones will be the healthiest clones you have ever had, etc...
 

DaFreak

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Have supported several strains over several years including one for the past 17 years with mothers and clones. Nothing has changed for about the last 10 years. Same location and indoor set up. This one Romulin has historically produced baseball sized flower. Bulbs are strong and changed yearly. This same strain is now acting healthy but just not getting the size that it used to. It still tests at 19% so the strength hasn't changed. Taste hasn't either. The product has just decreased. I always thought genetics doesn't change but now after 17 years on the same one I'm starting to wonder if is "worn out" Anyone have a theory or similar experience?
Do threads about degrading genetics over time every change, that is the question.
 

TherealMickey

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Update....The latest go round produced just fine but took much longer than usual with larger plants. See my most recent thread. Now I still don't know what happened. All good now though.
 

Dr. Who

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Thanks. I read through it until I got tired. Seems like the opinion is they do in fact wear out 15 to 20 years. This one is at 17 so that fits. Bummer
Disagree completely.
I ran an original muffin "cut" Blue Berry for over 30 years... It never really changed. I had an original Chem Dog that lasted over 25 years. An infestation of RUSSET mites. Caused some DNA damage and it had to be retired.

What happened to you sounds more like an environmental shift. The plant, moved slowly towards it's dominate cross. I also suspect that the strain was cubed for stability. It just took that long to shift.
 
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