Do You Accept The Theory Of Evolution?

Dan Kone said:
The bible it self was originally put together by the Roman empire. More specifically bureaucrats in the Constantine administration. They decided what should or shouldn't be included in the bible.

That's right christian conservatives, the book you worship is a product of big government. If it wasn't for big government it's likely your religion wouldn't even exist. When you believe in the bible, you're putting all your faith in the biggest government that ever existed. You're letting 4th century government bureaucrats tell you what you should believe.

If you really believe in the teachings of Ron Paul, you must reject the bible because it's nothing more than a tool the federal government used to control people. Audit the bible!
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It's okay. Doesn't matter to me who wrote it. I reject it either way ;)
 
Dan Kone said:
The bible it self was originally put together by the Roman empire. More specifically bureaucrats in the Constantine administration. They decided what should or shouldn't be included in the bible.

That's right christian conservatives, the book you worship is a product of big government. If it wasn't for big government it's likely your religion wouldn't even exist. When you believe in the bible, you're putting all your faith in the biggest government that ever existed. You're letting 4th century government bureaucrats tell you what you should believe.

If you really believe in the teachings of Ron Paul, you must reject the bible because it's nothing more than a tool the federal government used to control people. Audit the bible!
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The Book of Eli is a great movie to go along with your point. The bad guy wanted the Bible cause of the power it held. Yes just a movie but true..
 
Dan Kone said:
The bible it self was originally put together by the Roman empire. More specifically bureaucrats in the Constantine administration. They decided what should or shouldn't be included in the bible.

That's right christian conservatives, the book you worship is a product of big government. If it wasn't for big government it's likely your religion wouldn't even exist. When you believe in the bible, you're putting all your faith in the biggest government that ever existed. You're letting 4th century government bureaucrats tell you what you should believe.

If you really believe in the teachings of Ron Paul, you must reject the bible because it's nothing more than a tool the federal government used to control people. Audit the bible!
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I was speaking on the widely use bible of today...King James version followed by NIV ( New International Version)
 
Mechanical said:
I do believe you can attribute religion to some good but you can also attribute it to alot of bad things that have happened and still happen to this day. Im not just saying christians here. Do you think the 9/11 bombers really believed they were doing right by their god? Of course they were!! If not they made a terrible job decision.. Crusades? Salem trials? Hitler(probably not but he claimed it was gods will), Even President Bush said ''9/11 was an attack on Christianity''. To say that if we all somehow found out that god doesnt exist would turn all of us back into primitive animals is ignorant. I dont rape or kill because my mind (chemical reactions & Evolution) tells me its wrong (learned moral trait) and not because god said ''thou shall not kill''. I dont steal because i dont want someone stealing from me and not because god said ''thou shall not steal''. If religion = ''The Golden Rule'' id be onboard but its not.

Our brains are meant to find meaning otherwise we would be bored. When religion was created we had no meaning for why a village was destroyed in a natural disaster or why a baby died at a young age. Now because of science we know about meteorology and diseases. We had no reason to why we love(chemical). So we said well there must be a god of ( ). Then leaders got tired of different religions fighting so they tried to unite everyone into 1 religion and monothiesim won out cause it is easier to serve one god than many and then they persecuted people who didnt ''believe''. Religion is a great business model.. Take Catholics.. Dont use birth control so you have many babies raised catholic and give your 10% every Sunday. You wonder why the Vatican is the wealthiest organization in the world? I pick on Catholics because they were the first major Christian denomination.

The way i look at it.. Do you!! If you want to believe in a higher power go for it but dont impose on other people with it but sadly the Bible tells believers to go out into the world and share the good news. Thats the difference in being agnostic(i dont really care) and athiest(anti-religion). Until the atrosities in the name of religion stop i will forever be athiest.
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agnostic does not necessarily mean that you do not care..It mean that you do not know one way or the other and until concrete proof is found...
An agnostic is one who believes that the existence of God is unknown and most likely beyond human ability to discover
 
mazand1982 said:
how could you NOT believe in the theory of evolution when...
1) its not a theory
2)its true
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Because deep down if you start to believe in evolution you cant really believe in the bible which means you cant believe in Jesus which means you cant believe in god. Its hard to say the bible is the word except for genesis (the first freaking book) and the whole idea of creationism. If you start picking and choosing what you believe out of the bible you start questioning everything else it says. Then you start saying ''well if that was a lie then Jesus birth was probably made up'' and so on till you just all together dont believe anything. Thats a tough pill for people to swallow. Yes when my mother died she went into the earth. Thats it.. Id rather believe that i will see her again in a paradise in the sky but i know i wont and im ok with this. Ever notice there are alot of kids and old people in church? Old people start worrying about dying and kids are very impressionable and believe in the tooth fairy.
 
londonfog said:
agnostic does not necessarily mean that you do not care..It mean that you do not know one way or the other and until concrete proof is found...
An agnostic is one who believes that the existence of God is unknown and most likely beyond human ability to discover
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Ya thats pretty much what i meant. If your agnostic it means that you will never know so whats the point in searching. I think if the world was agnostic it would be a way better place. There would be no athiests either cause its kind a religion.
 
Mechanical said:
Ya thats pretty much what i meant. If your agnostic it means that you will never know so whats the point in searching.
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lol now I see what you saying..but hey maybe God might talk and ask for our help oneday like he does with Bush and Bachmann:wink:... for me it would take a personally intervention and it would not come from man...but hey what do I know I believe in aliens
 
Ya its funny there arent any burning bush's anymore. I dont know though. Almost every athlete gives thanks to god lol and they win. Obviously they were his favorites and the other 1000's of athletes werent worthy to win. Oh lord dont get me started on aliens. Billions of galaxy's with billions of planets and not a one has intelligent life? Yeah right.. Only humans would think we are so special haha.
 
Mechanical said:
Ya thats pretty much what i meant. If your agnostic it means that you will never know so whats the point in searching. I think if the world was agnostic it would be a way better place. There would be no athiests either cause its kind a religion.
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I kind of disagree with the way you worded this "whats the point in searching" ......thats not nessecarily true, Agnostic means you don't believe anyone has the answers but it doesn't see anything wrong with searching...I am an agnostic and I do believe in the spiritual realm, that it exists, what it is we don't understand, but its there, perhaps its another function of our brain or perhaps it is actually life after death we may never know...but I do believe in the unexplained or the spiritual realm, its very real and its also very important, in addition its very important for human development, although we can't explain it, its there. Agnostic simply says that nobody has all the answers.
 
also its a more than just a stretch to say that evolution disproves the bible at all, not only the first book but even a single verse, perhaps one line, the line that says he created each life as perfect which could even be a mis-translation, still thats quite a stretch to say that disproves the bible, its quite possible to believe in evolution and also believe in the bible. I don't understand how this connection is made. How does believing in evolution make creationism or the bible invalid? It doesn't...
 
deprave said:
also its a more than just a stretch to say that evolution disproves the bible at all, not only the first book but even a single verse, perhaps one line, the line that says he created each life as perfect, still thats quite a stretch to say that disproves the bible, its quite possible to believe in evolution and also believe in the bible. I don't understand how this connection is made. How does believing in evolution make creationism or the bible invalid? It doesn't...
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How does the fact that we evolved from micro organisms fly in the face of genesis's story? Have you read the bible? Not being sarcastic but the story of Adam and Eve is nothing like Evolution. You could say that god made it happen but then your making things up and filling in holes that do not make sense to a thinker. A usual answer for anything that is not clear is ''the lord works in mysterious ways''. For instance do you believe that the world was made in 6 days? You have to because thats what genesis says. We know thats not true. You could say that a day could be billions of years to god. Then again things to fix what doesnt make sense. We know man did not live with dinosaurs. Your meaning of agnostic differs from mine. Im an athiest though so ill leave it to you. I think religion does more bad than good for the human race as far as a ''watcher above''. If you believe in the spiritual realm more power to ya but thats what you believe and im sure you dont try to force people into it by scaring them with stories of hell.
 
well all of that you speak of in the paragraph above is the unproven, if god created the earth in 6 days evolution could still be true, the same holds true for the rest of the examples given. Evolution does not prove how the world was created nor does it prove if their is a god.
 
Personally I don't trust the bibles integrity much at all, I am sure you understand this as an atheist and neither does the integrity of the bible disprove the existence of god.
 
here is how I feel about atheist Ill give it to you straight: by denying the possibility of the "spiritual" you deny an important part of your development as a person, by denying the spiritual/6th-sense"/extra functions of the brain or whatever it is when these neurons fire you are weakening yourself. I am not saying follow a book but to be in touch with this part of existence. Its okay to Deny the bible or religions but to acknowledge the spiritual is important in my view, especially for development.
 
What parts are unproven? No science says that the universe was created by the big bang which is just a theory but it is adopted by science until a new theory can disprove it. What before then? Who knows and like i said earlier.. Just because we dont understand something fully doesnt make it not true and its not necessary to make things up without some sort of proof. Science does not prove that god doesnt exist. Science proves that we can exist without a god. You sound like your sitting on the fence or your definition of agnostic seems like sitting on the fence. Being agnostic seems like you dont want to be wrong either way. Saying hmm i dont know isnt really a stance. Not that it really matters cause we are both going to die not knowing what happened afterwards so there will be no right or wrong answer. If you dont know what is out there why do you believe at all? You have no book which most religions do with a basis of beliefs. I guess what im asking is why do you believe in a spiritual realm? What have you seen in life that makes you feel this way? I love these convos so dont take anything i say as an attack please.
 
The old saying goes: One thing science can never prove (and that one thing is science itself)

Science does not prove that we exist without god. How so?
 
its not any one event in my life, its countless things that I have found which are not fully explained by science (there is a ton)
 
See i feel the total opposite of you. I feel like me being in control of my own destiny is very freeing and very good for me. I dont like to think that there is some invisible force out there governing what i do. Take karma for example... I firmly believe in karma but i dont think its a force. I dont do bad things to people and people usually dont do bad things to me... Doesnt always work though.. Never stolen in my life yet my house was broken into 2 days before Christmas. Some of my friends do bad things to people and they seem to have many bad things done to them in return from different people. Not because of a force again but because they invite those things by being that way. A little example: when you walk into a house that is really nice you are extra careful not to mess it up. Now if you go to somebody elses house that is a shit hole and you spill a drink on the nasty ass carpet its not as big of a deal.
 
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