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deprave

New Member
whatever, like it matters....the point is that you apparently think people should be robbed for no damn reason? Middleclass/Poor people whatever you want to call them..fucking serfs...you think that I should be robbed? You think that I should have violent acts commited against me, fuck you to lol.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Its not rich....its not having extra....I would call it poor yes..I am that poor myself...its not poor poor but your not saving money, your still a slave these days.
$56k a year as a single individual ain't poor.

and if they were buying the fantasy insurance for $400 a month, $5k a year (not $10k, learn math) they could drop it and pay a $700 fine instead. or not pay it and have nothing happen to them.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
whatever, like it matters....the point is that you apparently think people should be robbed for no damn reason?
people are not being robbed form, they get health insurance in return. even if they don't want health insurance, they will inevitably need health care.

and when they do inevitably need health care, i don't want the costs passed on to me. and i would prefer that everyone who can buy insurance does. if everyone is in the pool, insurance works better. that's how it works.
 

deprave

New Member
No its not how it works, their money just disappears, it doesn't go to a magical pot at the end of a rainbow that everyone dips from...
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
No its not how it works, their money just disappears, it doesn't go to a magical pot at the end of a rainbow that everyone dips from...
were you aware that the PPACA mandates how much insurers have to spend on things that actually help patients rather than administrative costs? it doesn't appear you understand this little detail either.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
What is it when money is forcefully taken from you? its being robbed.
and what do you get in return? health care!

now suppose the person does not pay for something they will inevitably need, what happens? they end up stealing from me through the backdoor by passing their costs onto me.

i'm off to flush/harvest, shower, and bang the wife (in no particular order). in the meantime, name me one country that insures all of their citizens, pays less than we do per capita, AND has no individual mandate. just one. GO!
 

deprave

New Member
were you aware that the PPACA mandates how much insurers have to spend on things that actually help patients rather than administrative costs? it doesn't appear you understand this little detail either.
It also appears that you don't understand that this is all a fantastic ideological dream world you are living in were rainbow sprinkles fall from they sky and everyone does what their supposed to, we all share money and dance w/ glee and everyone is treated fairly right? This piece of paper will make our wildest dreams come true thanks to big pharama and special interest who love us so much, I especially love the part where Nebraska randomly gets a couple million dollars because of some backroom deal. Gimme a break, Ill put ObamaCare on the shelf right next to my Tony Robbins DVD's in the section under B for Bullshit
 

deprave

New Member
and what do you get in return? health care!

now suppose the person does not pay for something they will inevitably need, what happens? they end up stealing from me through the backdoor by passing their costs onto me.

i'm off to flush/harvest, shower, and bang the wife (in no particular order). in the meantime, name me one country that insures all of their citizens, pays less than we do per capita, AND has no individual mandate. just one. GO!
Forcefully taking money from someone is robbing them, no matter if you give them something or not, its robbing them, quit avoiding that fact. Its funny how you wrote healtcare...we have healthcare with or without being robbed and with or without insurance. Health Care IS NOT health insurance, it doesn't surprise me that you fail to recognize that fact.

You think Poor/Middleclass people should be robbed and violently assaulted by government, some "compassionate bleeding heart" you are lmao


name me one country that insures all of their citizens, pays less than we do per capita, AND has no individual mandate. just one. GO!
Change the word Insures to "Cares for" and the answer would be any country that "pays less than we do per capita AND has no individual mandate" (and has the resources - hospitals, doctors, medicine, etc..)
OR remove "
pays less than we do per capita" and the answer would be: We do....for hundreds of years...



Key word buddy, "Insures", Key thing to recongize: Insurance doesn't equal care.

Then you will realize that this in lamens is simply just a bunch of insurance salesman and government banding togather to scam the living crap out of us.
 

Mr Neutron

Well-Known Member
people are not being robbed form, they get health insurance in return. even if they don't want health insurance, they will inevitably need health care.
Oh, I get it. Like when Guido and Knuckles come into my business and ask me to pay them to protect my business from......... them?

and when they do inevitably need health care, i don't want the costs passed on to me. and i would prefer that everyone who can buy insurance does. if everyone is in the pool, insurance works better. that's how it works.
It works that way because the government that is supposed to protect it's citizens, sold their collective souls to the insurance companies. I know you know that at one time, people would pay for the routine medical costs, out of pocket. When people have to pay for things, they shop around and they make sure of what they are buying, competition keeps costs affordable. High deductibles and only covering catastrophic illness/injury keeps the insurance affordable, too. But noooooo, we need the government protect us.
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
We wouldn't need insurance if the costs were actually reasonable, like when I was a kid. At the age of 4 I had a surgery and it only cost $830 out of my folk's pocket. They had no insurance. Today that same operation would be over $100K.
 

deprave

New Member
UB I got a killer work from home job for you, all you have to do is buy this kit for 500$ and then you can make up to 10,000$ a month, you interested?
 

tomcatjones

Active Member
We wouldn't need insurance if the costs were actually reasonable, like when I was a kid. At the age of 4 I had a surgery and it only cost $830 out of my folk's pocket. They had no insurance. Today that same operation would be over $100K.
which brings me to my issue!

hi guys...

i'm one of those slaves/ serfs/ indentured servant is really what it is. though.. i do agree.. we're pretty much all chattel for the government..


STUDENT LOANS MOTHER FUCKERS CANT YOU SEE THAT IS THE ISSUE. (food and fuel costs too but another argument)

the education bubble is going to burst. if it hasn't already.

i'm 20,000+ in debt -not paying them because i'm lucky to make my monthly bills.

i made less than 15,000 last year.

no health insurance. -i'll be forced to pay for it or the fine i'm sure.

oh and i wanted to be a history/poli sci teacher... once my eyes were opened, beyond probably not having a job when i'm done with a degree, i'd be perpetually in debt and going back to school. no thanks.

so did start my quest to start digging out of the hole.

any advice? lol

but yeah that is why doctors choose to have things cost so much. their loans, their lawyers and insurance malpractice costs -their loans, and then of course they all enter the profession based on money anyways. so that is what they are expecting in the end.
 

deprave

New Member
go get a job and stop going to school, its an outright lie that you need to go to school to get a job, you need to have a job/passion first...you obviously love science so live and breathe science whatever that means exactly.(probably going to need to be more specific lol) Companies are desperate for people who have a passion for their work to put it simply..they don't want someone who does it just because its a job and thats what school breeds, the people that will never get a job or be good at their job because they don't really love it...the best professionals are almost entirely if not entirely self taught...I mean ...if your not your just kind of a hack really if you think about it..your not specilizing in anything...you need to find one thing you love and become a "frigin genius" at it..think of it like that ;-)

Then go to an interview for it...and be like ...dudes I am a friggin genius at this stuff and I love it, its awesome and stuff...and boom you got a job...its really that simple..you don't need a piece of paper if your a "Friggin genius"..
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
so did start my quest to start digging out of the hole.

any advice?
Do what the USA does, take out more and more loans, when you have to start paying the bill on one, get another much bigger loan to cover all the smaller ones plus money to spend on consumption. Deficits don't matter, ask Dick Cheney. Don't worry, you can pay it all off when you get that really good job.

This HAS to work, I have over 10,000 government employees, economists and liberals who swear by this method.
 

deprave

New Member
in fact that's part of the reason why government is so incompetent..because they hire jerkoffs who "WENT TO SCHOOL FOR A LONG TIME" no self respecting professional would sell out and work for the government..only talentless HACKS
 

OGEvilgenius

Well-Known Member
Every
Ron
Paul
Supporter
Should
Support
A
Woman's
Right
To
Choose

a woman owns her body in a more important way then a business owner owns their business.

at any time and without warning during a pregnancy, her life can be at risk due to unexpected complications.

paulistas have no problem accepting that states have the right to tell a woman what she may or may not do with her own body during the most vulnerable and difficult of times.

do you really want to be like santorum and allow certain states to make sure that rape babies (gifts) are mandated to be carried to term by a citizen who owns her own body? not every state would go by ronald's moral standard, which is prudish at best.

and shouldn't we be encouraging "a stitch in time saves nine" philosophy? shouldn't we be subsidizing birth control to help prevent unplanned pregnancies and abortions? i mean, the pills are not a problem with respect to abortion, they reduce the number of abortions. i think we can all say that we want to reduce the number of abortions, no matter which side of the aisle you fall on.

the immorality of women not wanting to be impregnated, much less, forced by the state government to carry to term a rape baby or one that somehow got by the problematic birth control pill is worthy of addressing in front of millions of viewers on live TV. ronald and santorum both made sure to do so when given the chance, even after the crowd booed the very question as if it were not worthy.

end point: if you believe a business has the right to do basically whatever it wants, you should really believe that a woman (and you for that matter) have a right to do what you please with your own bodies without any government interference whatsoever.
Indeed, she controls her body. She also controls what her body does. But of course, when she's pregnant, she's in control of 2 bodies. If one body is endangering the other, well, then hard decisions must be made. But that isn't typical so I don't see why anyone should have the ability to terminate another persons life if they feel it will make their own situation more convenient.

I also think that conflating the two positions (Woman's Rights and Abortion) is an unfortunate thing and diminishes the discussion of both quite greatly.

As far as businesses being able to do what they want - no one is suggesting that. Businesses should be able to do what they want as long as they aren't actively harming others (see a recurring theme here). If they are, well, there's civil litigation as well as criminal (if it got to that point).
 

OGEvilgenius

Well-Known Member
That's it, avoid the question.
In the government's view, no, nobody owns their own body. You, me, women, anybody. Hence drug and prostitution laws.
What about the baby's rights? Who speaks for them?
The government owns your money too. See: Forced taxation.
 
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