First grow with OG Kush and soon to join WW

Ok, so what does topping do other than keep the plant short and give your more tops cola's?

Depending on your set up it will make your lower branches push out further. It will increase your lower "popcorn" flowers initially however they will return to normal grow rate once the plant recovers.

follow the fan leaf in the upper right as it goes down to the tip, then draw a straight line across the screen to the left, you should have three flowers. The one on the left is a single un topped cola, the two next to each other on the right are a topped branch. Look at the mass of all three flowers, pretty close except the one on the far right is sinking down into the canopy from the weight already. look at the mass of the "pair" as opposed to the "single". The pair produces more mass.

Now, for super tight nodes you have to take advantage of a few things.

1- Feliz 6500k T5's have peaks at 435nm & 615nm. Plant photosynthesis peaks @ 435nm & 680nm. Also, T5's produce MORE ROOT zone mass than ANY OTHER LIGHT SOURCE currently available to the consumer.

2- I use Liquid Light and Saturator for Foliar feeding. This is from DM.
"Gold Range LIQUID LIGHT puts your plants into overdrive by helping to restore their lost natural photosynthetic power. Liquid Light does this by providing your plants with selected minerals, carbohydrates, amino-acids and phyto-nutrients that optimizes the Calvin Cycle, a critical cycle of photosynthesis. By restoring a large portion of a plants’ natural genetic photosynthetic speed, or power, plants are able to use a lot more of the precious light you provide them."
So AGAIN, I am OPTIMIZING the Calvin cycle, thats twice now, once with a T5 and once with LL.

3- I have VERY low humidity in my veg room. This goes against some principals of growing however when you remove humidity plants adjust by making their leaves thicker for gluttation and transpiration purposes. SO when my plants go into flowering they have massive amounts of stored nutes in them to start distributing to flowering asap.

So, when you combine all those factors, and I have the pics to prove every word I speak, you know this, when you put them all together, your plants actually has no need to grow tall what so ever. Hence toe nodes being almost stacked on top of each other in all my plants. Once they hit the HPS chamber where the light is high above them, they will stretch out from the top down to the bottom first, and thats when I top them the last time forcing the lower branches to push out and then using the reserve nutes stored in them to heal the plant. As it heals and transpiration takes place the plant is refueling with my flowering nutes, it is also still getting LL for the first three weeks of flowering which cuts healing time to about half.


Hope this helps on your next batch, as always, open for questions from the thread owner.

So how often do you use the LL? And a quick list of questions....with the nodes so tight how long do you veg for? whats the end height usually? Do you LST or Scrog? damn I just want to come over and stay a month with you at your house and watch your grow hahahaha

BongKong420 said:

So how often do you use the LL? I follow the on line nutrient calculator, every third day. And a quick list of questions....with the nodes so tight how long do you veg for? I veg them for as long as I want because I top multiple times and pull many many clones from the bottom. whats the end height usually? less than 12" from the top of the hydro cube. Do you LST or Scrog? I LST, I used a screen to give the two clones in my ebb and flow table currently their shape then I pull the screen out. I also super crop some plants. damn I just want to come over and stay a month with you at your house and watch your grow hahahaha

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Your more than welcome to come stay at my place however my grow is not here with me.

I am actually molding a couple plants to start growing with a method I used outside with fairly good success. I call it cross training, or my wife likes TRIceratops. It involves specific pruning and training of branches but is fairly simple. You'll see it soon in my journal with two plants going into veg next monday.

Ohhh thats fine as long as we can make some trips there hahahaha...how long have you been growing for??

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how long have you been growing for??

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On and off, mostly on lol, except for my off time that is, for a little over 10 years if memory serves me still. usually small guerrilla grows of 20-50 plants. Then I started researching indoor growing because I was moving to the south and worried about temp and humidity probs. Then I moved to AZ for a while and had to deal with major heat and no humidity probs and now I leave somewhere perfect for growing. I have a clone only strain in my garden somewhere, well a couple actually, they are a solid hint. I will have a legal grow available soon, just working out sponsor details now.

LOL I know this may sound dumb but my ultimate goal would be to be good enough to grow a good perpetual to where I could open up my own dispensary.....I live in vegas and they have nothing here for the people to go to....there like two places and I hate dealing with drug dealers....theyre always on the bullshit and you never know what kind of weed youre going to get and the lists go on and on and on ya know??

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LOL I know this may sound dumb but my ultimate goal would be to be good enough to grow a good perpetual to where I could open up my own dispensary.....I live in vegas and they have nothing here for the people to go to....there like two places and I hate dealing with drug dealers....theyre always on the bullshit and you never know what kind of weed youre going to get and the lists go on and on and on ya know??

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i totally feel ya as a former resident of the Boulevard Apartments

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LOL I know this may sound dumb but my ultimate goal would be to be good enough to grow a good perpetual to where I could open up my own dispensary.....I live in vegas and they have nothing here for the people to go to....there like two places and I hate dealing with drug dealers....theyre always on the bullshit and you never know what kind of weed youre going to get and the lists go on and on and on ya know??

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Every time I go there all my buddy can get is Sour Diesel. Not complaining I love the stuff. He did say most the connects were pretty shady.

So the plants seem to be doing well. I am having a great day and am pretty happy about it. My buddy gave me some pineapple kush and its bomb!!! not only that I got a new mini microscope so I can check out the trics...It was only $12 at radio shack hahahaha. And to top it all off I went to the mail box and found goodies in there!!! I had ordered 3 seeds from Attitude, they were Carmelice-and a G13-hawaiian haze mix. And they threw in a free Church. All feminized. And not to totally over load you, I had sent in an email to Nirvana because the 5 White Widow I got only one sprouted. I wasnt complaining to them I just asked if maybe I could have got a bad batch....Well there was 5 seeds in the mail today with the seeds from Attitude. AHHHHHHH I am sooooo pumped. Im going to germ them tonight and here we go so keep watching for updates with them.

That is a good day! I have the same microscope. Kinda hard to use at 1st but when u get used to it not so bad.

kinda look more indica dominant.. Og from my knowledge is a clone only strand and is sativa dominant( skinny leaves farther node spacing etc.) 70/30

LOL ok ............Have you looked at the pictures??? I mean I know they are out of focus a little but I dont know how you can see that the leaves are skinny and my nodes are totally spacey (IF you look at the White Widow I got going you can see that the nodes on that are really tight, I used the same lights and distances for both strains.....And how does that even make sense "a clone only strain" what they never make seeds??????



OK that kinda came out mean Im sorry bout that bro. Youre right it is a sativa strain. Its OG

I gotta do a quick update because I actually have to get up in like 7 hours to go to work....(its my first day, wish me luck) anyways so as you know I got all those seeds in the mail the other day.(Thanks Alice at Nirvana +reps haha) I started germing them today and am hoping to get them under way very soon. I only did two of the WW hope they both pop this time.. I did all the other seeds strains, Caramelice, The Church (UFO from attitude), G13-Hawaiian. Also I FINALLY got a new cable for my digital camera from the homie and realized that IT SUCKS. I mean this camera is terrible I admit I have had for a while and I am only using it because my little girl smashed my other one but damn its bad!!!!!! I will see what I can do with it tomorrow to give you a pic up date.

RIP hermie....I took the plant out of the tent and killed it last night. I didnt want to do it but I figured it was better to be safe than sorry on my first grow. Plus the seeds were free .......

good luck to you, I saw your name and wanted to tell you where you could find Touchet, I'll pm everyone once he makes up his mind where he'll post at now

whoa whoa whoa what do you mean?? what is he leaving or just switching name??

He got banned by a power happy mod! BS!

Yeah anyways the grow is going ok i guess. Got more strains going now. Maybe ill update tomorrow if anyone really wants one now. Dont think I know anyone left on this site