Good ole' trial & error... On the error side again; What went wrong with this soil batch?

MustangStudFarm said:

Because everyone is stupid and you are smart... Here we go again with an inflated ego!!! "Just take those test results and throw them out the window and I'll tell you what is wrong". That is exactly the B.S statement that has me trolling people like you! Do you claim to know what is going on with his soil better than a soil test? Fucking brilliant!!! It makes me want to hit the ignore button immediately! I'm not walking down a dark alley with you!

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No man, Im just a dumbass farmer, barely educated. That's why I got a headache, with all that data that don't make sense.
Just saying those are weird numbers you got back. Yes?
Something ain't right with the test. Do the math.

Sorry, Guess I got a big ego? Plants of all sorts grow for me with little effort. Why? Go slow, observe...

What are you looking for? Opinions? You get them then light off on is.

Take all that media and grow a cover crop on it. Observe, work the cover crop back in add some worms.

I'll go away now

OPfarmer said:

No man, Im just a dumbass farmer, barely educated. That's why I got a headache, with all that data that don't make sense.
Just saying those are weird numbers you got back. Yes?
Something ain't right with the test. Do the math.

Sorry, Guess I got a big ego? Plants of all sorts grow for me with little effort. Why? Go slow, observe...

What are you looking for? Opinions? You get them then light off on is.

Take all that media and grow a cover crop on it. Observe, work the cover crop back in add some worms.

I'll go away now

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No, you don't seem that bad. Plus, this is not my thread. It is the people that claim to be "God almighty" are the one's that I have a problem with.
There is something off with his soil test, but it is from over-using gypsum and dolomite lime while under using kelp, basalt, and/or glacial rock dust. From what I understand, "AZOMITE is a hydrated sodium calcium aluminosilicate". Which means that Aluminum is a major part of Azomite, some people care. People that are worried about Alzheimers should care even more...

OPfarmer said:

Sorry, Guess I got a big ego? Plants of all sorts grow for me with little effort. Why? Go slow, observe...

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I'm sure it's easy after you figure it out.. However, are you plants perfect? Do they fade too early??? I got tired of being "Close". So, I started testing my soil and found out that I had been misdiagnosing a micro def problem.

I'm a combat veteran with brain damage. So, my word is not as good as gold but I don't try to act like it is.

MustangStudFarm said:

I'm sure it's easy after you figure it out.. However, are you plants perfect? Do they fade too early??? I got tired of being "Close". So, I started testing my soil and found out that I had been misdiagnosing a micro def problem.

I'm a combat veteran with brain damage. So, my word is not as good as gold but I don't try to act like it is.

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First off thank you for your service.

Nothing I grow is perfect, I surely am far from knowing everything. (Real far)

I am an organic vegetable farmer. My farm basically organized chaos.!! I tend to do as little as possible, stress everything I grow a bit. (Right-wrong or indifferent)

Yep got an Auto Kush fading early right know. My weak mix in a 5 gallon bags is not enough for the bigger than expected auto.

And thanks for the education on Azomite. (I tend to use a handful of my native glacial till for micro's)

I need to be more sensitive to people growing under lights or clandestine.

I just come away with so many people trying to do too much to their poor plants.

Plants like neglect in general IMHO...

Peace

OPfarmer said:

First off thank you for your service.

Nothing I grow is perfect, I surely am far from knowing everything. (Real far)

I am an organic vegetable farmer. My farm basically organized chaos.!! I tend to do as little as possible, stress everything I grow a bit. (Right-wrong or indifferent)

Yep got an Auto Kush fading early right know. My weak mix in a 5 gallon bags is not enough for the bigger than expected auto.

And thanks for the education on Azomite. (I tend to use a handful of my native glacial till for micro's)

I need to be more sensitive to people growing under lights or clandestine.

I just come away with so many people trying to do too much to their poor plants.

Plants like neglect in general IMHO...

Peace

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It looks like everyone has similar problems, micro deficiency. Before I had my soil tested, I mistaken it for a N problem because of the fading or a Mg problem. What it turned out to be was a Mn, Cu, and Zn deficiency. The soil tests have been a great learning tool for me because I am learning what my plants look like compared to them. I don't think that I would have learned otherwise.


I will pull the curtain to the horror show. This was pics from last Feb. So, I don't claim to be an expert either. It's taken me 2yrs to figure this out... The soil test didn't look that bad, but this is what it does to plants! I always overlooked micros because I was using basalt, glacial rock dust, and kelp. It didn't show on the test though. This is probably 2-3months after mixing a batch of soil, so I think that the basalt, glacial rock dust, and kelp didn't have time to break down or I didn't use enough? I think that the high sodium came from the kelp because I used a lot of it... I ended up using Mn sulfate, Zn sulfate, and Copper Sulfate for a quick release. I should have the test results back before the weekend hopefully. This was one of the shittiest harvests of my life!!! I decided to slow down and turn the lights off until I solved this.


The new growth was after I used Fertilome as a foliar spray. (I hate spraying plants) From what I have read, micros move really slow through the plant so a soil drench might not work in time. So, I only sprayed them 2x and used the rest as a soil drench.

I bet that the OP(original post'er) is suffering from "Iron Chlorosis" also. I recently learned about it myself, but that is the term used for the yellowing of the plant from iron and micro deficiency. It wasn't a N problem at all, like I suspected.

I learned a lot from the Rev and some from Subdool on outside the box organics well over a decade ago. The idea of Teaming with Microbes was a revolutionary concept then. It moved me in big ways.

Anyway, wow never had anything like you got going on in that pic! Hmmm

Here is my 4 foot auto Kush that could fatten up a little more.

She not really sick, but I sense she is not getting everything she needs. I think the media in the 5 gallon fabric bag is too used up and does not stay damp enough to support proper myco and bio activity, and that is the source of my "lock out". IMO it is a CEC/organic matter thing.

Two mindsets have always helped me.
My job is to tend the soil food web. I do not feed the plants the soil web does.

Then this quote:
Antoine Bechamp Quotes. Nothing is lost, nothing is created all is transformed. Nothing is the prey of death.

OPfarmer

"Go slow, observe ...", has been my mantra for decades and I'm with you 110% on that one, especially in organics where the only things that happen fast are usually really, REALLY bad.

Sadly, for the 'instant gratification' crowd it seems a hard concept to grasp and even harder to practice.

Wet

Mustangstudfarmer,
How is the drainage under the pots, they never stand in water?

Soil smell sweet and fungal?

Can't tell, but seems as if they can't "breath"

Sure soil test may show some micro deffecency, but gut tells me something else is going on. Soil life not breaking it down for plants. Mycos are really good at finding traces plants want, matter of fact I am convinced they will actually create them as part of their symbiotic responsibility to the plant and the soil food web.

https://www.amazon.com/Findhorn-Garden-Pioneering-Vision-Cooperation/dp/0060905204

Findhorn is a fun hippy dippy read. But everything changes when one becomes "one" with the soil food web.

OPfarmer said:

Soil smell sweet and fungal?

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I can't have a conversation without wetdog and wakatoo jumping in!!! I really wish that these guys would leave me the fuck alone and get off of my nuts!!! I presented my problem to them back in Febuary and the only thing that we accomplished was this beef that we have now. You have already shown more pictures than either one of them two.

I'll admit, it is very embarrassing to show my bad pics!!! Only a person who doesn't have an inflated ego would show pics that are less than impressive.

Let me ask you this, how important do you think that micros are. Do you think that a micro def would give me problems like what was in my pic? From what I read, Mn and Zn def are devastating. Why throw shade at a soil test?

OPfarmer said:

She not really sick, but I sense she is not getting everything she needs. I think the media in the 5 gallon fabric bag is too used up and does not stay damp enough to support proper myco and bio activity, and that is the source of my "lock out". IMO it is a CEC/organic matter thing.

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So, you don't know what is going on with your soil? Yet, you make fun of others for testing their soil? Please, team up with wetdog and let him tell you why your plants are fading. I would bet money that he is going to tell you that it is a N problem. If you claim to have as much exp as you say, you already know that it is not a lack of N causing the problem.

Wetdog said:

OPfarmer

"Go slow, observe ...", has been my mantra for decades and I'm with you 110% on that one, especially in organics where the only things that happen fast are usually really, REALLY bad.

Sadly, for the 'instant gratification' crowd it seems a hard concept to grasp and even harder to practice.

Wet

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Yeah, why would I sit through a shitty harvest when I could just have my soil tested? Your crusty old ass still don't know why plants fade early and you claim to have 30yrs exp. "Grow slow and learn even slower". Perhaps you are mad because I didn't need your help figuring this out, because you couldn't help. Instead, you insist on feeding poor folks on here bad info.

I really should be happy that you are doing this for me, keeping competition to a minimum.

OPfarmer said:

Can't tell, but seems as if they can't "breath"

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Funny, I used too much aeration in this soil! I could explain it to you, but what is the point? It looks like you already teamed up with wetbitch and whackatoo.

Please, you should hang on every word that wet tells you! If he tells you to add bone meal to keep your shit from fading, then listen to him even if it is the exact wrong thing to do.

OPfarmer said:

The idea of Teaming with Microbes was a revolutionary concept then. It moved me in big ways.

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This is another one of Jeff Lowenfel's books Teaming with Nutrients, he has a whole chapter dedicated to the importance of soil testing, chapter 8!!! Revolutionary concept for sure. I took this picture myself because I own the book and read it.

Sure soil tests have their place but they are not the be all end all. So....? Just my opion dude. No big fucking deal. Whatever, guess I can't grow shit, never mind the 4 acres of organic vegetables. Lol. Don't want to think outside the box? Think your problem is myopically micro nutrients and nothin else then keeping on testing that soil....

I did not ask if your soil had airation in your soil!! I asked if water could drain away from the pot, and does the soil smell sweet that those faded plants were in. Also what did their roots look like dark or light.?
Need to observe shit like that. Least it's what works for me.
This mornings Auto CBD Cheese harvest. Finding Auto CBD plants are harder to grow .


I'll fuck off now and leave you to your problems.

MustangStudFarm said:

Funny, I used too much aeration in this soil! I could explain it to you, but what is the point? It looks like you already teamed up with wetbitch and whackatoo.

Please, you should hang on every word that wet tells you! If he tells you to add bone meal to keep your shit from fading, then listen to him even if it is the exact wrong thing to do.

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OPfarmer said:

Wow? Just my opion dude. No big fucking deal. Whatever, guess I can't grow shit, never mind the 4 acres of organic vegetables. Lol. Don't want to think outside the box? Think your problem is myopically micro nutrients and nothin else then keeping on testing that soil....

I did not ask if your soil had airation in your soil!! I asked if water could drain away from the pot, and does the soil smell sweet that those faded plants were in. Also what did their roots look like dark or light.?
Need to observe shit like that. Least it's what works for me.
This mornings Auto CBD Cheese harvest. Finding Auto CBD plants are harder to grow .
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I'll fuck off now and leave you to your problems.

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You plucked off all of the fan leaves before the pic, I bet that they all looked like shit and were brown and shriveled.

I wouldn't be happy with that harvest

OPfarmer said:

Think your problem is myopically micro nutrients and nothin else then keeping on testing that soil....

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Do you think that micro def should be taken lightly??? Do you understand that micro def can be devastating?

Ya one usually plucks the fan leads of when they trim. Many we're yellow, that's perfect, when bud is mature I want yellow fans. All the shitty nitrogen grass taste going away.. Exess nitrogen is a serious proroblem in growing/farming.
Somewhere around here is a picture with fan leafs.

Outdoor autos are tricky. Seems especially CBD strains.

MustangStudFarm said:

Do you think that micro def should be taken lightly??? Do you understand that micro def can be devastating?

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Bigger fish to fry is my opinion.

* Root color and smell of soil..!!!!?*

Just my opinion it's not the micro nutrients causing the problem. Sure correct for them but until I can see roots and put my nose in the soil, I am not convinced the problem is not bigger than a few low micro's

OPfarmer said:

Bigger fish to fry is my opinion.

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That is just a lack of understanding. I didn't think that micros were that important either. The soil test clearly points out a micro def. You should google pictures of Iron Chlorosis. It looks very similar to N problems!