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noxiously

noxiously

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Also, a reason why people say you can't and shouldn't grow in low humidity environments is because there is hardly any room for error. Sure, it does make for a harder time to keep things going good, but if you knew how to do it, then it wouldn't be a problem. People are scared to grow "outside the box" so to speak. They have all these "guidelines" to stick by, and most people do because these guideline are proven to work with little danger. So step outside the box, don't be afraid to grow in different types of environments, just do some homework first and you will be successful.
 
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budleydoright

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I live in the high desert were 20% is the norm. I still have high humidity probs in a grow room. The plants will add all the humidity you need to your space.
 
Bublonichronic

Bublonichronic

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noxiously said:
Just because certain soils COST more doesn't mean they are better. lol That is one of the funniest things I keep hearing. "Fox Farm this, Black Gold that", it's all a bunch of nonsense. If plants can grow, and grow great in regular outdoor soil then why can't they grow great in MG? The kind of soil doesn't really have much to do with it in the first place. If it did, then plants wouldn't be able to grow in just water. All the soil does for a plant is provide support and acts as a carrier for nutrients, that's it, nothing more nothing less, botany 101. Again, if soil played that big of a role then why can so many plants grow in so many different types of soils and have success. To say that you can't get as good results with MG as you can with FF or any other brand of soil is plain ignorant. As long as you give the plant the proper amounts of nutrients it needs to stay alive and give it an adequate growing environment then you can still have great results.

Weed plants can and do survive in just about every type of environment except extreme cold environments. They say the origins of Marijuana is the Hindu Kush region, and if I'm not mistaken that is a mountainous region, that is higher up in elevation, which again means it has low humidity. There is also alot of speculation that when weed is grown in lower humidity environments it produces more resin to help coat the leaves and protect it from drying out. Hmmmmm...just food for thought.
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wow....dood...look at the ingredientrs, the ratios in the soil....are you seriouse? soil is huge....read any grow bible, you seriously dont know what your talking about, peace and good luck to you sir, lol
 
noxiously

noxiously

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Bublonichronic said:
wow....dood...look at the ingredientrs, the ratios in the soil....are you seriouse? soil is huge....read any grow bible, you seriously dont know what your talking about, peace and good luck to you sir, lol
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Again, soil is just soil. The things that make a difference in soil is the aeration, moisture, minerals, and organic material. So with that said, you can purchase Fox Farm, MG, Black Gold, Sta Green, Scotts, or what ever soil you want to purchase, the fact is no soil on the market is perfect and you will have to add stuff to it to make it more suitable for growing. Why do you think they sell perlite, fertilizers, and all those other additives, either we are all pretty stupid and buy it just cause they say we need it, or because every potting soil needs something. That means, it doesn't matter what soil you purchase because you will have to add something to it. So why not buy MG, it's cheaper, and add other items to it to make it a better soil. Why not pay 8 bucks for a bag of MG, pay 5 bucks for some perlite, a few bucks for other additives and you got yourself one heck of a potting soil. Compare that to paying 20 for a bag of FF and having to buy all the same stuff to add to it. I guess we all can't think logically.
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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noxiously said:
Just because certain soils COST more doesn't mean they are better. lol That is one of the funniest things I keep hearing. "Fox Farm this, Black Gold that", it's all a bunch of nonsense. If plants can grow, and grow great in regular outdoor soil then why can't they grow great in MG? The kind of soil doesn't really have much to do with it in the first place. If it did, then plants wouldn't be able to grow in just water. All the soil does for a plant is provide support and acts as a carrier for nutrients, that's it, nothing more nothing less, botany 101. Again, if soil played that big of a role then why can so many plants grow in so many different types of soils and have success. To say that you can't get as good results with MG as you can with FF or any other brand of soil is plain ignorant. As long as you give the plant the proper amounts of nutrients it needs to stay alive and give it an adequate growing environment then you can still have great results.


Weed plants can and do survive in just about every type of environment except extreme cold environments. They say the origins of Marijuana is the Hindu Kush region, and if I'm not mistaken that is a mountainous region, that is higher up in elevation, which again means it has low humidity. There is also alot of speculation that when weed is grown in lower humidity environments it produces more resin to help coat the leaves and protect it from drying out. Hmmmmm...just food for thought.
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noxiously

noxiously

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You know what, I'm gonna take back that comment about thinking logically. I'm not here to insult, argue, or start stuff with anyone. All I'm saying is that people keep saying that you shouldn't grow in MG, that MG is horrible to use. It's not a bad soil to use as your base. I'm all about finding successful ways, and cheaper ways, to grow. My point being, there is no perfect soil on the market. There never will be, the reason is that it would cost so much that people wouldn't buy it, especially if they could build it cheaper and be just as good. See what I'm saying?
 
Bublonichronic

Bublonichronic

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noxiously said:
You know what, I'm gonna take back that comment about thinking logically. I'm not here to insult, argue, or start stuff with anyone. All I'm saying is that people keep saying that you shouldn't grow in MG, that MG is horrible to use. It's not a bad soil to use as your base. I'm all about finding successful ways, and cheaper ways, to grow. My point being, there is no perfect soil on the market. There never will be, the reason is that it would cost so much that people wouldn't buy it, especially if they could build it cheaper and be just as good. See what I'm saying?
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do yourself a favor...buy some FF and some MG do a side by side for yourself...i have...all you do is talk about how they can survive...do you want your plant to survive or to thrive? believe it or not there is a difference...im done
 
noxiously

noxiously

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Bublonichronic said:
do yourself a favor...buy some FF and some MG do a side by side for yourself...i have...all you do is talk about how they can survive...do you want your plant to survive or to thrive? believe it or not there is a difference...im done
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This dude just doesn't get it. I am trying to help someone by saying they don't have to WASTE the money on FF. I have used the cheapest of soils, $2.00 for a 2 cu. ft. bag. Added a few things here and there and the total cost came out to around half that of what FF costs and the end product was just as good. I've used many different types of soils, and none of them produced that much better than the rest. If you knew anything about how to build a good soil then you probably would. Since you don't I guess you are stuck as someone who just stands in line when told and buys what they are told to buy. Have a mind of your own, and learn how to use it. And if you want to see the difference of MG and FF, it has been done plenty of times with neither one having any significant difference than the other.

Check it out for yourself:

https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/373397-test-progress-miracle-grow-soil.html
 
noxiously

noxiously

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Bublonichronic said:
send me a link to your journal, maybe ill learn how to mix pre packaged fertalizers together and think im legit;-)
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Who said anything about mixing fertilizers? I'm talking about mixing ingredients to make a better soil. Not one bagged soil is going to come out complete. Whether it's MG, FF, Scotts, or what ever brand anyone uses, they will have to add something to it to make it work better. So for you or anyone else to say that you should absolutely not use MG soil is being simple minded. Do the math dude.

Lowes: $7.77 for a 2 cu. ft bag of MG + 8 qt. bag of Perlite $4.52 + $10.00 for other additives + Your brand of fertilizer = ???

$18.00 to $20.00 for a 1.5 cu. ft. Fox Farm + 8 qt. bag of Perlite $4.52 + Your brand of fertilizer = ???

You get more volume out of the MG, and you get practically 100% the same results. But nevermind, I can see it won't make any difference to you, you were probably one of the people who backed Bush when he said, "Stay the course".
 
Bublonichronic

Bublonichronic

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Still no link to a journal, prove your knowledge... To me yu seem like a kid who's read more bout mm cultivation than hands kn experience...The fact of he matteris there is so manny fukd up plants on this site cause people read the bullshit that morons like you type then go buyin shitty soil, then makin shit worse by addin fukd ratios of all kinds of bullshit...ughh, It's just easier to call you idiot, lol
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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you obvioulsy dont know about quality of soil sources nor food sources, not all soil is the same. i can take peat from diff locations and have diff quality from it. makes a big diff in the quality of the weed. a pic means shit to quality of the smoke in the journals, tets the stuff after its grown. and i dont mean test by smoke. mg has been sued over n over for the lies on the labels ande is the worst shit out there. all it has is 3 of 17 needed elements in it. its food isnt in the right ratios for pot either.
theres a reasson its niot sold in any hydro shops cause they have bad soil andf food sources, not all nitro is equal. nor is how its all processed into a nute.

try a huge 107 litre bail of pro mix for the 25 bucks it costs and tell me mg is better for the quality or the buck.....not. soil is the foundation of any good grow and the room is as well. with out those your stuff will always be inferior.
 
canibud

canibud

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When I did use dirt I used sunshine mix #2 it isnt a soil as much as a medium. I dont like soils with nutes in them, it makes it harder to control the feed schedule and more chance of nute burn or deficiency.
 
Bublonichronic

Bublonichronic

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canibud said:
When I did use dirt I used sunshine mix #2 it isnt a soil as much as a medium. I dont like soils with nutes in them, it makes it harder to control the feed schedule and more chance of nute burn or deficiency.
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sunshine is a soiless meduim (hydroponic) if i remember correctly? use FoxFArm Happy Frog, has verry little nutritinal value and if full of benificial bacteria and fungi, but is just as high quality as ocean forest...also chemical nutes will burn your shit if over fed, organics can too, just alot harder to do so.
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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its not the nutes burning,. its the lack of. when ph drops out thewn they burn, till then its impossible to. they cant uptake what they dont need. organic or non. i can feed a new seed 2000 ppm and nothing happens but growth, waste of food but it cant burn if i keep the ph in the medium right
 
canibud

canibud

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i dont know about myth or not but when i mixed my nutes wrong in aeroponics it only took an hour for the burn to appear, then I realized i screwed up changed the res and other than a few burn marks all is well again
over feeding can and will burn.
 
Medi 1

Medi 1

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no it cant. how if the plant cant uptake it more than it needs. its the ph that dropped and burnt them from them not being able to feed. i will burn a plant and yet no food has been used, so how is it food. some will say it salts up. cant, it is a salt new in the bottle. its always the user not paying attention, not the nutes.
feeding to strong will block other nutes and burn but its from the nutes being blocked and not being able to get to them. or to much will drop the ph and again. it cant eat that way and burns.
im actualy testing....again on this right now,. i have about 10 seeds 10 days old and have been fed full feed since the day they showed their heads above soil..not 1 bit of bad health.....with the right run off the keep the medium happy
 
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