How to Legalize Cannabis!

theloadeddragon

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Lol. everyone is now arguing over obstacles! When the numbers show themselves, there are no obstacles, only the decision to get up and do something! Imagine door to door promoters, business to business information demos, flags in yards and driveways, signs in businesses, public talks and serious protests, strikes, petitions, intelligent people writing proposals, a demanded amendment to the constitution! Get up, and out, and bring the so many that we all know that are either smokers or supporters, and go make the difference, organize and attack! the people are this country! We are this country, and we make it what it is!
 

McFatty's

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First off, I'm glad I found this site.

Exhibit A: Amendment 1 of the US Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Exhibit B: The Holy Bible, Chapter 1, Vs 11-12, 26, 29
11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground." 29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

I have come to the conclusion that possession and use of marijuana should be protected under our 1st Amendment right towards freedom of religion. According to the Bible, we were given all the seed bearing plants to consume, and not being able to "prohibits the free exercise thereof."

The Bible also said that God made man in his image, and God gave us Cannabinoid Receptors. That means that there is a part of our anatomy which its sole purpose is to absorb THC.

Also, posted Aug 1, Newswise Medical News | Turned-off Cannabinoid Receptor Turns on Colorectal Tumor Growth
This, in short, is an article about the effects of Cannabinoids on cancer cells, specifically Colorectal (colon and rectum) cancers. It was found that Cannabinoids help reduce colon inflammation and polyps by up to 50% in tests with mice. It also shows that Cannabinoids cause apoptosis (essentially a programmed death within the cell itself) in cancerous cells.
 

theloadeddragon

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well put, but might I remind you that faith religion belief and lifestyle are all completely different things rolled up into one sticky burrito, religion should certainly not be restricted to "socially acceptable". I have never met a true Christian.
 

4maggio

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well put, but might I remind you that faith religion belief and lifestyle are all completely different things rolled up into one sticky burrito, religion should certainly not be restricted to "socially acceptable". I have never met a true Christian.

And I might add dragon>>>

I wonder what the Koran has to say about that?!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mr Obama: do you wish to clarify? LOL!!!!

No really, the US has 'god' woven into its' constitution, laws and lifestyle, much like the middle east has muslim woven itnto it.
Why should the US change and there can be no change in the middle east religious stance (<<rhetorical! lol!!)

BUT! Why is it that there are their issues (in the news media) with muslems and the 'disrespect' for alah/koran (<< alah.. yes? do I have the right one?)
their koran but in the US rligion and the bible should be removed from its' political culture?!!!!

I'm not a religious guy but come on!
If it shouldn't be an issue, it souldn't be an issue on either side of the fence.

"True Christian"? <<< Why are you looking for one!??? LLLOOOLLL!!!

Religious wars, like racisim will never die because our governments use them as a 'smoke screen' to 'cover up' all the other shit they cram up our butts.

Have a nice day all.. Sorry for the ranting..
 

McLovin420

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Most people are to afraid of freedom anymore they want the government to do all for them. Look no further than government schools & universal health care for your proof. That's why you don't here politicians promise freedom instead the promise government handouts & more control look not further than government schools & government health care. I have smoker friends that I can't even get to follow a link & sign an email to the their congressmen & senators on this subject. Oh what a long hard battle that is still a head.
 

VictorVIcious

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...and that is the problem. I read an article today, one of the folks that signed as a co-sponsor to Barney Franks bill, I think one of 7, hadn't read the bill, he just thought it was another Medical MJ bill, so he told hios staff to add his name, then he saw the bill which decriminalizes up to 100 grams, thought he had made a boo-boo. He has been receiving lots of phone calls.......thanking him for taking this stance, I think it was 80% for 20% against. He is a little suprised.
Remember the 'moral majority'? When I went to see Ethan Nedelman's speak at U of M one of the things he mentioned that is so frustrating for him, friends he used to smoke with for years won't admit it.
If you can write an acceptable proposal, and clearly demonstrate why the average non-pot smoking person should vote for it, I think you can get the same kind of response. For years, ever since the tobacco companies lost, the whipping boy for taxes has been tobacco and liqour. FREEZE THOSE TWO TAXES IN YOUR PROPOSAL. Say to the smokers and drinkers, look folks, its time for the pot heads to start paying thier 'fair share' of taxes. Its also time for some fiscal responsability. There is already a bill making its way thru the house which would decriminalize marijuana possesion at the federal level. We need to act NOW, before the politicians figure out how much money we are talking about. If we let them do it, we will hve the same bullshit as we did with the lottery. Remember the Lottery was supposed to supplement what was being spent on education, the extra money would give us a first class school system? And what happened is education disappered from the general fund budget, school funding actually dropped, they spent the money on other things. One fifth of our State General Fund goes to the Corrections Department, they get more money than our education system, how do you like them apples, and for what???
I just printed out the Office of National Drug Control Policy Report for 2008, its impressive, and I could win any debate about Marijuan and its harm just using thier figures and logic, let alone the information I know is available about the effects of Marijuna for your health. On page 12 of the report the have an ecxellent graphic. What they are trying to do is show why it so hard to stamp out Marijuana. It is titled,
Method of Obtaining Most Recently Used Marijuana Among Past Years Users. Wow.
There is a big pie on the left to show where people got thier last marijuana. Why? I don't know , lets see what they found out. 53% got thier last Marijuana for free or shared it. Hmmm. 43% bought it, they minority again. 1% grew it, uhhu, shame on us, 1% traded for it and 2% said nanahaha, they were unspecified. Now we go from that pie chart to another interesting set of pies. These pies are going to show us the source that those 43% BUYIT from and were the actual transaction takes place. They are labeled SOURCE and LOCATION. dOUBLE WOW. 16%, Someone just met or did not know well. 3% said nanahaha they were unspecified, 3% relative or family member. 78% bought it from a friend. OK, lets reflect. They have just spent a trillion dollars on a war, the title for this report is MARIJUANA: THE GREATEST CAUSE OF ILLEGAL DRUG ABUSE. And you are telling me that the majority of people get it for free and the majority of people that buy it, buy it from a friend??? SOme thing is wrong here Homer, friends wouldn't let friends drive drunk, why would a friend let you buy marijuana, I mean that would make him not my friend, right??
Ok, maybe we can come back to that one lets look at where they buy it. LOCATION. 3% on school property, 6% inside a public building, 14% nanahaha, 22% Outside in a public area. 55% of the time they bought it Inisde home, apt,or dorm. (isn't the dorm school property?) Would you want your kids to go to those houses?? So basically there isn't anything they can do about it?

And the most damning piece of evidence?
Total Past Year Marijuana Users Age 12 or Older = 25.4 million
NOW do you see what a problem Marijuana is, friends sell it to friends and stay friends, we want bar fights, and we always wanted to be commandoes, just not with real criminals, they shot back. VV
 
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theloadeddragon

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well, all of those results are to be expected, one thing you may want to think about, those 55% of purchases, where does the money go to? Thats really the questions, as marijuana sales it is widely advertised feeds terrorism (lol, government terror). I would say those purchases made in homes and apt.s go to pay bills more than anything else (as I know many families that rely on it!). Aren't those figures based on a national survey? where those that took the survey are mostly scared of persecution? Certainly am not looking for a true Christian, just pointing out that I have never met one. You may want to inform your friends McLovin, that if they won't do anything about it, they can't say a damn thing about "the man", or getting arrested/a ticket for herbs. You may want to let them know that if it is you or your family that gets caught up, you will be going after them like its all their fault (which it is because they refuse to act). I have lost a couple friends because they are too scared, and basically told them that once they lose their fear, they can come see me!
 

VictorVIcious

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well, all of those results are to be expected, one thing you may want to think about, those 55% of purchases, where does the money go to? Thats really the questions, as marijuana sales it is widely advertised feeds terrorism (lol, government terror).
This is one thing that the DEA says that is accururate. Money from drugs does go to fund terrorist's that is our point. Billions of dollars. Even this 'Report' shows how much more money they estimate is spent on cocaain. Let me get it out, page 11 according to the index, subsection 19, WHAT MARIJUANA USERS SPEND.

Marijuana Users Spent an Estimated $11 Billion to Obtain Marijuana
What is particularly interesting with this bar Graph, Cocoain user spent $35.3 billion, Heroin user spent $10.0 billion, and meth is listed at $5.4 Billion. Other drugs is listed at $2.4 biilion. So marijuana is about 1/6 of the dollar amount spent on all illicit drugs, with 25 million users. If you pretend all 25 million buy the same amount?? I think it works out to about $440.00/ year/ person, WHAT IS THE FUGGING PROBLEM. The legal drug companies will spend 1/2 of that total estimate spent on Marijuana, a little over $5Billion just for advertising, and according to USA today, 83% of the population went and asked their doctor and sure enough they had whatever it was and got the prescription, and you and I payed for it. Over 51 % of all health care dollars spent in this country are spent by the Government entities.

I would say those purchases made in homes and apt.s go to pay bills more than anything else (as I know many families that rely on it!).
I have some knowledge in that area, I have made a purchase or two and have transferred some ownership to others. Most of the money went to buy the drugs, usually around 75% by the time you take your stash out. Couple others layers made a small amount of money and that all fuels the economy. SOME of the money left the country when the drugs were purchased, call it an investment if you want, because it does take money. Some one once sold pounds of that weed your paying $50> an eighth for a thousand dollars a pound or less. 500 of them is still a half a million dollars, I don't think they are worried about the grocery bill. If they are relying on the money they make selling weed they should be growers.


Aren't those figures based on a national survey? where those that took the survey are mostly scared of persecution?
Yes they are, and maybe they were, doesn't matter. THE INFORMATION THEY PUBLISH CAN BE USED TO SHOW THERE IS NOT A DANGER FROM MARJUANA. PERIOD

Certainly am not looking for a true Christian, just pointing out that I have never met one. You may want to inform your friends McLovin, that if they won't do anything about it, they can't say a damn thing about "the man", or getting arrested/a ticket for herbs. You may want to let them know that if it is you or your family that gets caught up, you will be going after them like its all their fault (which it is because they refuse to act). I have lost a couple friends because they are too scared, and basically told them that once they lose their fear, they can come see me!
That is all interesting, I guess I really haven't made myself clear. What we have to do is give them a reason that they can talk about, like "I heard that new Marjuana bill will wipe out the State deficit, and allow us to get better police protection. Heard anything about that?" It simple, if you want me to buy what you are selling show me how it can benefit me, personally. How did they sell us the lottery? How did they sell us the Casino's? We don't have to re-invent the goddam wheel, we just have to steer it in the right direction. We have to stop all the bullshit defense and go on offense, ELIMINATE THE DEFICIT IN MY STATE, YOU HAVE MY VOTE. Tell me when I get some balls too come talk to you, maybe, right after hell freezes. And did you hear 'they' busted another MMJ dispensery? ANd shot the mayors two dogs? VV:blsmoke:
 

theloadeddragon

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lol, if 75% is what they are reinvesting then they are fuckin up. I know for a fact that 90% of Cali dealers only reinvest 40% of their resale or retail price, getting at least a 50-60% profit ratio (doubling their money), even the dealers that buy from the dealers make that much. the states surrounding Cali do exactly the same thing, and the states in the deep south push the profit all the way up to 80% (undeniable fact). The reinvest basically the same amount every time, averaging it out, and they do use the money to pay their bills. Indeed it is typically the guy right next to the grower that gets the extra cash to buy cars etc. and still pays his/her bills with it, and the further down the line you go, the more and more the money is used to pay strait bills... on average the herb goes through 8-15 people before it gets to 50 an eighth (which I will never pay by the way). Talking and networking and supporting verbally is doing something, door to door and bus. to bus. is just doing more, lobbying is the best way, take your deficit theory to the senate and your congressmen, they will laugh at you. You should take a look at what gets spent to run everything, where the money is Really coming from (Federal Reserve bank/International Bankers), and you will discover that taxing pot will never take away the deficit. Just enforcing the taxes will cost bucu bucks. Where was the bust? link to it? How about not going to jail/prison? Is that not benifit enough? How about not being concerned for your personal safety, freedom, and basic liberties? Is that not benifit enough? Those numbers are bullshit, way more money gets spent on all of those drugs, and pot too... and I wouldn't be surprised if pot actually outdoes all of the other ones. Very Very little pot is being imported into the US anymore, I have personally witness "wars" over just this... for example, Asians are now raiding grow ops underground in the Very NW of the US, taking all the plants and equipment, and warning not to retaliate. This shit has been going on for years! I have infiltrated every level of the "game" and know full well how it works (from the plantations, all the way down to your 50 an 1/8)... thats why I got out years ago, and sit back and watch and listen to the contacts that I have about whats going on... its a huge fucking mess, a bubble that won't take long to burst, and when it does, its all of us that are just peaceably growing our own that will be just fine. Lol, I was talking about a few friends that were in political and legislative positions (smokers!) to make a difference just by doing a few simple things, and out of greed and fear they chose not too (actually putting a few of my other friends that were their friends into prison for life!). I really wish I didn't know what I was talking about.... because I know for FACT that the GOV is making Trillions on this industry by keeping it illegal, or should I say, the banks!
 

VictorVIcious

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No the Government does not make money off pot, and I don't care how you slice it, they spend money trying to fight against it. Is there a distribution system for Maijuana? Well yes, and it doesn't matter if it ten layers or two. If you take a look at the amount of Marijuana seized at the southern border fromm April of 2007 to March of 2008, 990,705.35 kilos you might think there is some being imported as well, which is another point of legalization, we can grow our own, we don't need to import it. Its not like cocaine or heroin.
Of the twelve states that have Medical Marijana, only two states have put it through the Legislative Process and only one Governor has signed, Bill Richardson in New Mexico. That is why I am saying you do i by ballot initiative not the legislative process.
Page 10 is interesting, subsection 16 has one line and a big blank green box. MARIJUANA ACCOUNTS FOR TWO OUT OF FIVE ARRESTS FOR DRUG VIOLATIONS.
Cosidering that 1/2 of the arrest are for drugs, I find this one hard to believe.

Subsection 17 is just bizzare. 17 However, Marijuana Arrests Do Not Translate to a Large Share of Offenders In Prison. It shows 0.3% Marijuana Possesion Only. 1/2 of the arrests and 0.3% in Prison. Why are we building prisons, why do we have a million more people in prison than we did 30 years ago. I am telling you this is so full of holes its comical. They are trying to answer all of the problems that have been shown, are not really problems, Marijuana is the problem because they say so.

The source for this information: Bureau of Jusice Statictics, Prisoners in 2004 (October 2005 ) and 2004 Survey of Inmates in State Correctional Facilities, unpublished tabulations (Febuary 2008). VV
 

KoseGrower

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if cannabis becomes to much of a problem, for example too many people being arrested for possesion, then the government will losen the laws because at the end of the day they will need to control it and the only way to stay in control will be to legalise it, and they will make a fuck load of money off it aswell

so just keep smoking/growing
 
MJ isn't legal yet becuase politicians are afraid they'll lose votes if they're labeled as being "soft on drugs," and the REAL reason they're afraid of that is that not enough voters have called and written their elected officials to tell them, in a polite, friendly way, that you the voter will support an end to mj prohibition. The Federal law will change when a majority of Congress, the Senate, and the President agree to the change. We need 300 people to each volunteer to write their Congressman and Congresswoman, 70 to write their Senator, and 50 to write the President and his advisors. That's 420 people, each taking a few minutes each week to write a letter and also maybe have a little letter-writing party so that the Congressperson, Senator, or President/advisor hears from a few people each week.

Hey, if you're willing to be the one to work for change with YOUR elected official, post a note back saying so, and tell us the State and name of the congressperson, Senator, or whoever you'll be working with.

There are currently three different bills in the Congress that could reduce penalties for mj; this really is the time to step up, get involved in the political process, and make a difference. (And by the way: You can find your congressperson's name and address at _
https://forms.house.gov/wyr/welcome.shtml_ and find out how he or she voted on Hinchey-Rohrbacher 2007 at _http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll733.xml_

If you're interested in more info, google "Hinchey Rohrbacher" or HR 5842 or HR 5843.

If you're ready to really start to make a difference, just post back the State and name of the politician you'll be working with. Reading and net-posting and blogging is fun, but writing those letters is what gets their attention, because they know somebody motivated enough to write a letter is motivated enough to vote. So who's ready to write?

 

VictorVIcious

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I'll repeat it one more time, of the 12 states that have some form of medical marijuana only one state passed it thru the legislature and had it signed into law, New Mexico. 22 States have the ballot initiative, all you have to do is show the people in your State what is in it for them. VV
 

mane2008

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Ite so where does all da money from stings and shit go to. I know it just dont stay in evidence all its life.
 

VictorVIcious

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You are correct that 'they' take forefiture money, many times illegally, still doesn't match the money spent. They don't get the value for the drugs. VV
 

Hydrotech364

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I think if we were to all grow a patch,and on the same day call the law at the same time.Get media coverage.show that alot of us are professional people with good lives and we deserve the right to choose what we consume...Lot of us in jail but most likely ticketed and it will overwelm the county government and jail system.double the size of the courts workload.I have a clean record ,immaculate but ill tarnish it for a good surefire wake up call to the us!!!!!Guess i should do the congressman thing first though.If one of ya can figure a way..Im in!!!!
Im not going to forget about this shit...:wall:
 
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