If This Is Such a Rich Country, Why Are We Getting Squeezed?

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
By Heather Boushey and Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted July 18, 2007.

While the rich are getting richer, they're slashing social security, medicare and other social programs for the rest of us. What gives?

The commercial media is telling us two perfectly contradictory stories about the American economy. The first is how wonderfully rich we are in the United States. The stock market's booming -- some analysts predict the Dow will break the 15,000 this year -- the economy is expanding at a healthy clip, productivity growth is up and unemployment and inflation are relatively low.

But, at the same time, we're also told that we don't have the money to pay for a robust social safety net. When it comes to paying for universal health coverage, affording retirement security for our elderly, investing in programs for the poor or educating our children, we need to pinch pennies. According to this storyline, we face a looming "entitlement crisis" -- we won't be able to afford to keep the Baby Boomers in good health and out of poverty, we're told, unless we slash their benefits and privatize the programs that their elderly parents enjoy today.

This is the line we hear from the Administration when it talks about entitlement "reform": Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson says that "The biggest economic issue facing our country is the growth in spending on the major entitlement programs: Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security." The solution, according to the Heritage Foundation, is to cut entitlement spending: "Reforming Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid is the only way to get the budget under control."

How can two narratives that are so clearly at odds with each other be so pervasive? Are we seriously supposed to believe that Paris Hilton has to dig between the cushions of her sofa to buy a can of tuna?

What reconciles these two themes is absent from our mainstream economic discourse: we "can't afford" all sorts of programs that are clearly in the common good because most of the benefits of our growing economy have gone to a very small group of Americans, who have, in turn, seen their taxes slashed again and again in the past six years. It's a story that isn't told as often as it should in the commercial press because it's a supposedly "liberal" narrative -- never mind that über-conservative former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan told Congress that there is a "really serious problem here, as I've mentioned many times … in the consequent concentration of income that is rising."

Saying that the majority of the country's economic gains in recent years have gone to the top one percent of the income ladder understates the trend. You have to cut the pie into even smaller slices to get the full picture. Because while the bottom half of the top one percent of the income distribution have done far better than the average wage slaves, it is a smaller slice still -- the top .01 percent -- that has grabbed most of the gains--seeing an impressive 250 percent increase in income between 1973 and 2005 -- from an economy that's grown by 160 percent.

An analysis by economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez gives us the best perspective of what's going on for everyone else. They found that despite several periods of healthy growth between 1973 and 2005, the average income of all but the top ten percent of the income ladder -- nine out of ten American families - fell by 11 percent when adjusted for inflation. For three decades, economic growth in the United States has gone first and foremost to building today's modern Gilded Age. The recipients of those gains don't care about a fully funded Social Security system or a healthy Medicare program -- they don't need them.

Meanwhile, even as the top earners' incomes have gone through the roof, their tax burden has their tax burden has shriveled. At the same time, the share of federal revenues contributed by corporations has declined -- by two-thirds since 1962.

It's important to understand how that plays out in our national economic discourse. When people tell us that our economy cannot "afford" things like universal health care or paid sick days, it fits with the economic experience that most Americans have had in their real lives -- the benefits of our boom-boom economy have not gone to the great masses, but to "someplace else."

Americans feel pinched. Polls show that they feel a time crunch--not having enough time for family and friends--and that they're anxious about getting into or staying in the middle class. Over the past generation, the economy has not been good to the typical, married-couple family (let along single-parent families) and families feel, rightly, that they need to be careful about where their dollars go.

It's not that they're not working hard. The typical U.S. family puts in more time at work than ever before. The typical married couple works an additional 13.3 weeks per year--533 hours--compared to a generation ago. But even though families are working more, their incomes have grown by only a third between 1973 and the present. That's much worse than the generation before -- between 1947 and 1973, the typical married-couple family saw their income rise by 115 percent. And that was often just one parent's income -- this was a period when most families could afford a stay-at-home mother. Of course, fewer families have that luxury today -- those with stay-at-home moms have the same inflation-adjusted median income in 2007 as they did in 1973 -- they haven't gained a penny from three decades of growth.

When we talk about the slow growth of family income, economists like to mention globalization, mechanization, or other factors that require us to be lean and mean and more "competitive." The storyline is that U.S. families have not seen their income grow because America has had to fight it out in a wide-open global economy, and these are lean times for workers.

But that's simply not true.

The economy--as measured by gross domestic product (GDP)--has grown by over 160 percent since 1973 (PDF). This is only slightly less than the period from 1947 to 1973 when GDP grew by 176 percent. That's come as Americans have become much more productive -- productivity has grown by over 80 percent since 1973 -- meaning it now takes fewer workers to produce the same number of widgets as it did in the past.

As each worker in the U.S. economy produces more "stuff" per hour, be that DVD players or clients served, those goods and services are being sold in greater numbers. In a healthy economy, that growth is shared between workers and investors and wage growth should rise with productivity. This was the case in the decades between World War II and the early 1970s, when productivity and median wages both increased by an average of two to three percent every year. But since 1973, productivity increased sharply, especially after the late 1990s, but median wage growth has been flat. So firms are getting much more output per worker, but they're not paying for it. They've pocketed the difference in executive compensation and corporate profits. The share of national income going to wages is at the lowest level ever recorded, while the piece of the pie gobbled up by corporate profits is at its highest point since 1960.

But when the masses ask for help paying for health insurance or child care, or request that everyone be given the right to paid sick days, we're told we cannot afford it. "Afford" seems to be a very special term in the current American context: letting the wealthy take ever-bigger pieces of our national product is something we always seem able to afford.

We work hard. We--the 99.9 percent-- and deserve a bigger piece of the pie. With a growing economy, we can afford it and we all know just where to look for how to pay for it.
 

medicineman

New Member
Exactomundo. What gets me, is the 5-10 percent in the 100,000 a year bracket, that can't see that train comin down the track headed right for them. When the elites get total control, there won't be many 100,000 dollar jobs out there, there will be 12-20 K jobs with no benefits or health care and the 100K jobs will be the 20K jobs. I say fuck those assholes anyway, they didn't care about the 10-20K jobs when they were at 100K+. Meet the new Boss, same as the old boss. When privatization kicks in, only the elites will be able to afford an education. With college education now running in the 50- 200K category, there won't be many high school grads moving up, that is if they will even be able to afford a high school education, we'll just have to home school our own like the 17th century. The future is bright if you are an elite.
 

Wavels

Well-Known Member
Heather and Joshua are obviously socialists; that is the main reason I will not characterize this article as stupid.
If you accept the premise of socialism as a viable modality, then Dank’s piece will make perfect sense to you (the rich are getting richer and everyone else is becoming poorer).
If you have any confidence in the inherent superiority of free markets, you will laugh until it hurts.
Socialism is an insidious evil which sucks out the soul of humanity.
Utopias are unattainable.
The road to hell is always paved with glittering good intentions.:joint:

The following excerpt from:
OpinionJournal - Extra
[FONT=Garamond, Times]Fair but Unbalanced[/FONT]
[FONT=Garamond, Times]How the media promote false pessimism about the economy.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Times]In fact, some suggest that the experts don't know what they are talking about. They say that economists make the mistake of looking at aggregate data, for GDP or overall income, which hides serious dislocations for the middle class and those with lower incomes. Those who argue this point believe that unfair foreign competition and unfair distribution of income are leaving many Americans behind.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Times]But this is hard to believe. The economy moderated last year, but the unemployment rate is still just 4.6%, almost a full percentage point below its 20-year average of 5.5%. Since the jobless rate first fell below 5% in December 2005, average hourly earnings have expanded at a 4.1% annualized rate--as good as any year during the late 1990s. And recent research shows that incomes for the bottom fifth of wage earners have risen faster in the past few decades than incomes at the top, hard work is being rewarded more by performance pay, and income volatility is no worse today than it was in the 1980s and 1990s.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Times]Stranger still is a July poll by the American Research Group (ARG) in which 68% of respondents rated their own personal financial situation as "good, very good or excellent." This is a huge improvement from March 2003, when another ARG poll found only 46% of Americans were either "hopeful or happy" about their personal financial situation, while 46% were "worried or angry."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Times]This begs the question: If the actual economic data, the views of professional economists and the self-proclaimed personal financial situation of a majority of Americans have improved this much, why are people so worried about the economy? Why do people assume they are the exception rather than the rule?[/FONT]
:joint:
 

medicineman

New Member
Heather and Joshua are obviously socialists; that is the main reason I will not characterize this article as stupid.
If you accept the premise of socialism as a viable modality, then Dank’s piece will make perfect sense to you (the rich are getting richer and everyone else is becoming poorer).
If you have any confidence in the inherent superiority of free markets, you will laugh until it hurts.
Socialism is an insidious evil which sucks out the soul of humanity.
Utopias are unattainable.
The road to hell is always paved with glittering good intentions.:joint:

The following excerpt from:
OpinionJournal - Extra
[FONT=Garamond, Times]Fair but Unbalanced[/FONT]
[FONT=Garamond, Times]How the media promote false pessimism about the economy.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Times]In fact, some suggest that the experts don't know what they are talking about. They say that economists make the mistake of looking at aggregate data, for GDP or overall income, which hides serious dislocations for the middle class and those with lower incomes. Those who argue this point believe that unfair foreign competition and unfair distribution of income are leaving many Americans behind.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Times]But this is hard to believe. The economy moderated last year, but the unemployment rate is still just 4.6%, almost a full percentage point below its 20-year average of 5.5%. Since the jobless rate first fell below 5% in December 2005, average hourly earnings have expanded at a 4.1% annualized rate--as good as any year during the late 1990s. And recent research shows that incomes for the bottom fifth of wage earners have risen faster in the past few decades than incomes at the top, hard work is being rewarded more by performance pay, and income volatility is no worse today than it was in the 1980s and 1990s.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Times]Stranger still is a July poll by the American Research Group (ARG) in which 68% of respondents rated their own personal financial situation as "good, very good or excellent." This is a huge improvement from March 2003, when another ARG poll found only 46% of Americans were either "hopeful or happy" about their personal financial situation, while 46% were "worried or angry."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Times]This begs the question: If the actual economic data, the views of professional economists and the self-proclaimed personal financial situation of a majority of Americans have improved this much, why are people so worried about the economy? Why do people assume they are the exception rather than the rule?[/FONT]
:joint:
All I have to say about this is Bullshit. Out in the real world (a place I suppose is extremely foriegn to you) People are losing their jobs and homes so fast that it isn't even news anymore. If you live in a cloisture of above average income onclaves, I'm sure you will have a hard time seeing this reality. There are little onclaves in the wealthy states like Ca where Newport Beach or most beach cities, where you have to be a millionaire to live don't notice these goings on, but in the real America it is happening quite frequently, much more than Bush would want you to know. Keep drinking the koolaide and when that train hits, don't say you weren't forewarned.
 

Wavels

Well-Known Member
Methinks the med man protests too much!.....It is OK that you believe in socialism....contrary to what you may think, it is a free country and you are allowed to be wrong!

Upward mobility is something you seem to prefer did not exist in the US.
Indeed, it is more available than ever before, and yet, you choose to be blind to its existence!
:joint:
 

medicineman

New Member
Methinks the med man protests too much!.....It is OK that you believe in socialism....contrary to what you may think, it is a free country and you are allowed to be wrong!

Upward mobility is something you seem to prefer did not exist in the US.
Indeed, it is more available than ever before, and yet, you choose to be blind to its existence!
:joint:
Awwww Yessss, upward mobility, the great buzzword of the elites or wannabees. I'm pretty sure, unless you are well connected, you are going to hit the invisible ceiling sooner than you think. There are a few areas of the US that are moving right along, hanging by a thread. It all seems well in tardville, but the great equalizer is lurking and if we are hurting, you soon will be hurting also. It is not only the auto workers losing their jobs, but a fair modicum of white collar jobs are going down that large sinkhole of corporate greed. Be aware the Ghost of Enron haunts America.
 

Wavels

Well-Known Member
Med, the reason you consistently cast a blind eye on what you refer to as a "buzzword"(upward mobility), is because its very existence here in the US undermines any shred of credibility your class warfare and class envy espousal make claim to.
If your philosophy were to prevail in its intended infiltration of the US economy, that would be the point in time at which upward mobility would be vanquished!
Yeah, that will be a noble accomplishment!

:joint:
 

medicineman

New Member
Med, the reason you consistently cast a blind eye on what you refer to as a "buzzword"(upward mobility), is because its very existence here in the US undermines any shred of credibility your class warfare and class envy espousal make claim to.
If your philosophy were to prevail in its intended infiltration of the US economy, that would be the point in time at which upward mobility would be vanquished!
Yeah, that will be a noble accomplishment!

:joint:
Never said it was noble, and I have nothing to do with the destruction of this society. I am just the canary in the mine. We cannot continue to cannablize our infrastructure and our jobs without paying the piper. Unless you're blind, you've seen the beginning of a trend of infrastructure failures that are hanging (Literally in the case of Bridges) by a thread. By funneling all our wealth into war and corporate welfare, we are eating our young, saddeling them with the ruination of our society by leaps and bounds. Your great upwardly mobil scenario only applies to the few, the rest are surely only pawns in your gadfly game.
 

orangie

Active Member
Socialism works some places. It probably would never work here. But to think we have a free market system is an oversight. Our system favors big business end of story. The protect big businesses by regulating most industries with expensive permits. In some cases they even limit the number of permits. This prevents new/small time players from entering the marketplace.

Central bank is a concept from the Communist Manifesto
Graduated income tax is too


The economy is crumbling. The dollar is inflating faster and faster. Our system is broken.
 

medicineman

New Member
Socialism works some places. It probably would never work here. But to think we have a free market system is an oversight. Our system favors big business end of story. The protect big businesses by regulating most industries with expensive permits. In some cases they even limit the number of permits. This prevents new/small time players from entering the marketplace.

Central bank is a concept from the Communist Manifesto
Graduated income tax is too


The economy is crumbling. The dollar is inflating faster and faster. Our system is broken.
Orangie, someone that gets it. Although I'd argue the graduated income tax is from the communist manifesto, the system is broken, broken by greedmongers that can't see the train coming, wooo-wooo!
 

ViRedd

New Member
Although I'd argue the graduated income tax is from the communist manifesto [/quote]

I've pointed this out to you many times, Med. If you don't believe the folks who post here, here it is right from the horses' mouth:

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html


The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto
[SIZE=+2]1848 by Karl Heinrich Marx[/SIZE]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]How "Marxist" Has [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]the United States [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Become?[/FONT]

Although Marx advocated the use of any means, especially including violent revolution, to bring about socialist dictatorship, he suggested ten political goals for developed countries such as the United States. How far has the United States -- traditionally the bastion of freedom, free markets, and private property -- gone down the Marxist road to fulfill these socialist aims? You be the judge. The following are Marx's ten planks from his Communist Manifesto.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..[/FONT]

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marcxist or socialist nation.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .[/FONT]
 

ViRedd

New Member
So, is the U.S. a "free country" today? Hardly! Not compared to what it once was. Yet, very few Americans today challenge these Marxist institutions, and there are virtually no politicians calling for their repeal or even gradual phase-out. While the United States of America may still have more freedoms than most other countries, we have nonetheless lost many crucial liberties and have accepted the major socialist attacks on freedom and private property as normal parts of our way of life. The nation, whose founders included such individualists as Thomas Jefferson, George Mason, James Madison, John Adams and Patrick Henry, has gradually turned away from the principles of individual rights, limited constitutional government, private property, and free markets and instead we increasingly have embraced the failed ideas and nostrums of socialism and fascism. We should hang our heads in shame for having allowed this to happen.

But, it is not too late to reverse these pernicious burdens and instead enact pro-freedom reforms to put our nation back on track again. It can be done.

In some ways the Left has a head start over us on the pro-freedom Right. The enemies of American freedom do admittedly dominate the entertainment industry, television news media, and academia -- but we have the tremendous strategic advantage that reality (including man's nature) is on our side; so, unlike the socialists and "liberals" (welfare-state fascists), we are not in the position of having to advocate a system which constantly tries to "make water to go uphill" -- or force human beings into a rigid utopian staitjacket based on the whims of some clique of central planning bureaucrats. We know that individual freedom for peaceful people within a constitutional republic works in practice; our country's history demonstrates that. The piecemeal abandonment of those principles and institutions which once made America great has proved to be a a dead-end road to failure. That is why I tend to be a long-term optimist even though things often look pretty glum in the meantime. Just as Prohibition was eventually repealed, I feel encouraged that such key statist achievements as the income tax, government schools, fiat money/central banking (the Federal Reserve), "environmentalist" regulations, property forfeiture laws, and other Marxist planks and leftist institutions can be rolled back and repealed altogether, although it may take several decades.

Those who would carry forward the ideas and principles of self-ownership, private property, free markets, laissez faire, the rule of law, and constitutionalism which informed America's founders must become more active on the key ideological battle fronts. We need more influence not just in politics, but in areas of entertainment, academia, journalism, think tanks, churches (we need our own individualist Walter Rauschenbushes), literature, art, and other venues of expression and activism.

Marxism and socialism have proved to be colossal failures all over the world. As Frederic Bastiat wrote in his classic The Law just prior to his death, "let us now try liberty"!
 

orangie

Active Member
The only politician I know of who stands for limited constitutional government and individual freedom is Ron Paul.

It is certainly a sad time in American history. Those who fought to created this country must me rolling in their graves.
 

medicineman

New Member
So VI, If you think the US is a communist state and you truly believe that what you've posted to be true, why don't you pack up and leave. You have free will. you can always change your address, the Cayman islands have very few laws, a rich dude like you could live like a king over there. There are many areas in the world where you can be under less laws, less taxes, etc. If you hate this way of life so much, leave. So see ya, wouldn't want to be ya.
 

ViRedd

New Member
So VI, If you think the US is a communist state and you truly believe that what you've posted to be true, why don't you pack up and leave. You have free will. you can always change your address, the Cayman islands have very few laws, a rich dude like you could live like a king over there. There are many areas in the world where you can be under less laws, less taxes, etc. If you hate this way of life so much, leave. So see ya, wouldn't want to be ya.
How assine of you Med. Seriously, is this all you got out of the post?

Did you at least come away with the realization that the idea of a progressive income tax is Marxian in principle? I mean, I put it right there under your nose ... you didn't miss the point did ya? <Sheesh!> :roll:

Vi
 

krime13

Well-Known Member
Well, I am done arguing about this topic and all others, frankly I am stockpiling weapons to be ready for the next social shift that is about to occure world wide (woot woot Med). No I am not conspiring to overthrow the government or even to change any laws, I simply whant to ensure mine and my familys survival douring the tidal wave of chaos that is about to sweep this country...A tidal wave that was caused by poor desisions and general corruption of the gouvernments world wide including this one...Welcome to the dark age gentlemen.
 

Dankdude

Well-Known Member
Although I'd argue the graduated income tax is from the communist manifesto [/quote]

I've pointed this out to you many times, Med. If you don't believe the folks who post here, here it is right from the horses' mouth:

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html


The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto
[SIZE=+2]1848 by Karl Heinrich Marx[/SIZE]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]How "Marxist" Has [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]the United States [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Become?[/FONT]

Although Marx advocated the use of any means, especially including violent revolution, to bring about socialist dictatorship, he suggested ten political goals for developed countries such as the United States. How far has the United States -- traditionally the bastion of freedom, free markets, and private property -- gone down the Marxist road to fulfill these socialist aims? You be the judge. The following are Marx's ten planks from his Communist Manifesto.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..[/FONT]

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marcxist or socialist nation.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .[/FONT]
Vi, In case you hadn't noticed, we are already there, at least since we are there, we should have the benefit of Universal health care. The only exception is that we are not in Communism, we are in to Fascism (National Socialism) But you happen to blindly follow along because just like Hitler, because We were told we were being attacked, and all pacifists were denounce as unpatriotic and were told we were exposing the country to greater danger.
Yes we were attacked by Islamic extremist but, ever since our government has used it just like Hitler did when the Reichstag was burned. It was a power grab, and we were fooled.
Way too many people have fallen for it.
It seems to me that a lot of people didn't learn a damned thing in history class, including you.

What you do not realize is that since Bush hasn't raised taxes in a war our country is teetering on the Verge of bankruptcy, we have several outstanding loans with other countries like China, UAE, Saudi Arabia as well as other EU nations that our credit is gone through the floor. We owe more than all the third world countries put together.

Wait until your hero Bush is out of office, who ever the next president is, be it democrat or republican, he or she will have to raise taxes on a scale that makes the Clinton Tax increase look like a drop in the bucket. Do you remember when Daddy Bush said “No New Taxes” ? He was even forced to concede that he had to raise taxes.
Daddy Bush had the grace to admit when he was wrong, can't say so much for his son.
 

medicineman

New Member
How assine of you Med. Seriously, is this all you got out of the post?

Did you at least come away with the realization that the idea of a progressive income tax is Marxian in principle? I mean, I put it right there under your nose ... you didn't miss the point did ya? <Sheesh!> :roll:

Vi
Well, I've accepted this part of the government as there is nothing I can do about it, I'd like to widen my freedom by getting a national health care system so I could move out of this urban blight. I'd sell out and move to Idaho or Oregon and get me 40 acres and some mean dogs, stock up on ammo and wait for the feds to come, like Randy Fucking Weaver. Although, being an old concrete guy, I'd definently have a bulletproof basement for the innocents. What is so fucking funny is how you are pannicking now that you know change is comming, and brother, you might want to re-think the Caymen islands. I am glad to pay my taxes, I just wish I had more say about the way they are spent. There's an outside chance I might come into a million bucks, Capital gain, I'd be glad to pay my $150,000 capital gains tax, that would leave me with 850,000, I could live on that, buy the one son a house, and provide a decent start for my grandkids.
 

ViRedd

New Member
Ok Med, you and the Dankster just roll over and say ... "feed me Hillary."

I'll say no thanks!

Vi
 
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