incredibly cheap LED grow lights!

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itadaku

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potpimp said:
I've got a pair of red and a pair of blue and they work "ok" for vegging but they are crap compared to my 1,000w HPS. When I lived in Georgia, heat was a major concern so LED's during veg did the job fairly well without much heat.
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I have only ever seen anecdotal evidence of the 'power' of LED by most likely shills from the LED companies and their evidence is not exactly objective. Sure maybe 5 years down the track when LED tech improves and is cheap enough people will use it.

SIGNS SOMEONE IS A CORPORATE LED COMPANY SHILL:

A) Uses phrases like "LEDS are the BEST, no heat, no fans and no IR signature." which are bullshit to begin with as these aren't really issues if you have good exhaust and air movement. As for the IR signature, unless you're growing in a buried shipping container in your back yard your growroom won't glow like an xray as most morons believe, it only shows differences in temperature for the outside of the building. So if you're not living in a cardboard box, your insulation will trap most of the heat inside the building. If you live in a shithole with no insulation why are you growing there?

B) Offers to sell you something at the end of their posts, or mention they 'setup LED grow rooms' or some other obvious sign of greasy sales tactics. The rampant re-branding and chinese poor quality and fakes isn't doing the whole LED industry any favors.

C) Anyone who needs LEDs because of space/heat/power consumption costs should evaluate why the hell they're growing in the first place. The reality is after all the fussing and cost of these setups, the result is usually less than 60grams dried.. PATHETIC. Give it up you shills
 
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hugetree

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For those bashing LEDs, there is a something you should know: LED on the market is usually made of 8:1 R:B ratio. These are cheap LED and aren't going to work. The professional LED growlight is not that simple. One company makes 200x3W 7 bands LEDs that means 7 different wavelength is the real deal: www.hippoled.com
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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First off, I'm not an LED hater. In fact, nobody wants them to be improved to the point where they can truly compete with HID more than myself. We're ready to expand our 200 sq ft of flowering canopy to 400 sq ft. If I could see just a couple LED grows produce buds comparable to 60 watts/sq ft of HID, I would buy enough to light up 200 sq ft tomorrow . Unfortunately, I have yet to see anything even come close. We don't really want to install another 3 tons of A/C, a buttload of ducting, and 12 - 1,000 watt lights. But, until we can see some other option, we're going to do what we know works.

If anyone has links to some decent sized LED grows producing buds similar to HID, I would really like to see them. We'd be willing to purchase enough LED to light up a 4' x 8' tray right now for a test batch. I don't expect them to be cheap, either. When, and if, an LED is developed to really compete with HID, it won't be a bargain sold by HTG. In fact, if such a light is ever developed, the makers could name their price.

I really hope the day comes when we can do away with HID and it's heat issues, expensive bulbs, and poor spectrum. Yet, despite all the shortfalls of HID, it's still the absolute best light for growing indoors.


https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html
 
Red1966

Red1966

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People believe in LED's because they WANT to, not due to facts. It sounds great, no heat, less power, long lifetime, etc. But the results just aren't there. Maybe someday, but not today. After you figure in the cost of cooling, bulbs, power, etc.; the high cost of LED seems reasonable. Not to mention security issues. But we do this for the results. And the results are nowhere near MH/HPS.
 
puffenuff

puffenuff

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collective gardener said:
First off, I'm not an LED hater. In fact, nobody wants them to be improved to the point where they can truly compete with HID more than myself. We're ready to expand our 200 sq ft of flowering canopy to 400 sq ft. If I could see just a couple LED grows produce buds comparable to 60 watts/sq ft of HID, I would buy enough to light up 200 sq ft tomorrow . Unfortunately, I have yet to see anything even come close. We don't really want to install another 3 tons of A/C, a buttload of ducting, and 12 - 1,000 watt lights. But, until we can see some other option, we're going to do what we know works.

If anyone has links to some decent sized LED grows producing buds similar to HID, I would really like to see them. We'd be willing to purchase enough LED to light up a 4' x 8' tray right now for a test batch. I don't expect them to be cheap, either. When, and if, an LED is developed to really compete with HID, it won't be a bargain sold by HTG. In fact, if such a light is ever developed, the makers could name their price.

I really hope the day comes when we can do away with HID and it's heat issues, expensive bulbs, and poor spectrum. Yet, despite all the shortfalls of HID, it's still the absolute best light for growing indoors.


https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html
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I can point you to a couple led lights that will match or outperform a 1k hps. Pm me as this thread is old and filled with led doubters who will prey on my every word
 
hoss12781

hoss12781

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Red1966 said:
People believe in LED's because they WANT to, not due to facts. It sounds great, no heat, less power, long lifetime, etc. But the results just aren't there. Maybe someday, but not today. After you figure in the cost of cooling, bulbs, power, etc.; the high cost of LED seems reasonable. Not to mention security issues. But we do this for the results. And the results are nowhere near MH/HPS.
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Hi Red, have you used LED lighting, if so what brand. I have had success with mine and would like to see which brands have failed for others and if most of the people on here have experience using them or are jumping on the hate wagon without first hand experience. My last grow had one of the same strains I've had under a 400w hps and I did yield slightly 10% less than the avg HID yield, but the quality far exceeded the buds I had under HID.
The ones I bought were expensive but came with a 3 year warranty and are made in the usa. I won't have to replace ballasts (which may or may not have been an issue), and I def won't have to replace HPS bulbs which do need to be replaced every 6-9 mo to keep efficacy and are expensive for the good ones. All in all it was around $800 on leds to replace 2 400w HPS lights, cut my power consumption by 40% and have safe effective lights for the next three years. Made sense to me.
 
hoss12781

hoss12781

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relativeood said:
How is it that people are still arguing this LED crap when there STILL are not ANY pictures of an LED only grow that is not shit?
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The journal in my signature was my first full led grow, was still working out the kinks. I welcome you to see what they can do now that I have my set up dialed in. I have 4 autos rocking now, all about a week old. I have high hopes for this run, and if it turns out stellar or shit either way if you'd like to watch a pure led grow and see what happens pull up a chair. The picture above is a blackbriar autoflower grown under led only that yielded a tad over an oz. Gained a lot of useful experience with my first led run, am confident this next (current my journal) will be a showstopper.
 
collective gardener

collective gardener

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puffenuff said:
I can point you to a couple led lights that will match or outperform a 1k hps. Pm me as this thread is old and filled with led doubters who will prey on my every word
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Puff,

I don't want to see a light...I want to see RESULTS. Nothing anyone can say will convince me to spend 20 - 30k on lights I haven't seen the results from. All I'm asking is to see a few pics of a decent sized grow using LED lights with HID type results. It seems logical to me that if these things can do what so many people say they can do, there would be some proof...not people quoting spectrum specifications and bulb life. Why is there not a single commercial grow op using LED? Where is the LED warehouse grow? I want to try these things, but don't want to be the first Warehouse grower to do so. Everything I read about LED lighting sounds great: low heat, less power, long bulb life, near perfect spectrum, BUT, can they grow as good as HID? Honestly, the results seem to be in contradiction with the specs. There seems to be some crtitical component missing in the LED grow light technology. Does anyone know what this is? Why is it that an HID with shitty spectrum can grow a much fatter and denser bud with tighter node spacing that an LED with near perfect spectrum? There seems to be some factor beyond spectrum.

In the end, I don't really care about specifications. I care only about results. I don't really give a rat's ass why my lights grow big fat buds...just as long as they keep on growing them. Again, I'm not an LED hater. I'm the opposite. I'm an Led Hopefull. I'm an Induction Hopefull, as well. I HOPE that one of the many LED pushers out there will point me to some pics of a bad ass LED grow. I can take one look at a canopy and a closeup of the buds, and tell you what the yield per sq ft is. The LED grows that I've seen are around .5 oz/sq ft. When we start seeing LED ops puting out 1.5+ oz/sq ft, I'll spend the $$$ to convert. Until then, I'll just keep cranking up the A/C and buying new bulbs.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html
 
hoss12781

hoss12781

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I've owned several led grow lights and personally think that the leds from HTG supply are weak sauce. The two companies that have given me the best results are
www.hydroponicshut.com
www.growledhydro.com

I can very confidently recommend those to anyone based on my personal experience. Check the journal in my signature which will be updated with some pretty pictures this weekend. Those two companies are very legit. There are other good ones out there, and a ton of bullshit lights. Go with one of the two I listed or do a ton of research. I researched for about 3 months in my spare time before purchasing. Way too many people out there to rip off those that have not done proper research.
 
puffenuff

puffenuff

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collective gardener said:
Puff,

I don't want to see a light...I want to see RESULTS. Nothing anyone can say will convince me to spend 20 - 30k on lights I haven't seen the results from. All I'm asking is to see a few pics of a decent sized grow using LED lights with HID type results. It seems logical to me that if these things can do what so many people say they can do, there would be some proof...not people quoting spectrum specifications and bulb life. Why is there not a single commercial grow op using LED? Where is the LED warehouse grow? I want to try these things, but don't wantu to be the first Warehouse grower to do so. Everything I read about LED lighting sounds great: low heat, less power, long bulb life, near perfect spectrum, BUT, can they grow as good as HID? Honestly, the results seem to be in contradiction with the specs. There seems to be some crtitical component missing in the LED grow light technology. Does anyone know what this is? Why is it that an HID with shitty spectrum can grow a much fatter and denser bud with tighter node spacing that an LED with near perfect spectrum? There seems to be some factor beyond spectrum.

In the end, I don't really care about specifications. I care only about results. I don't really give a rat's ass why my lights grow big fat buds...just as long as they keep on growing them. Again, I'm not an LED hater. I'm the opposite. I'm an Led Hopefull. I'm an Induction Hopefull, as well. I HOPE that one of the many LED pushers out there will point me to some pics of a bad ass LED grow. I can take one look at a canopy and a closeup of the buds, and tell you what the yield per sq ft is. The LED grows that I've seen are around .5 oz/sq ft. When we start seeing LED ops puting out 1.5+ oz/sq ft, I'll spend the $$$ to convert. Until then, I'll just keep cranking up the A/C and buying new bulbs.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html
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The choice is yours, I'm not here to convince you one way or another brother. Just saying I know of some "expensive" led lights that will go toe-to-toe with hps with similar or less wattage consumed. People fear change and trying new things, I get that. But not wanting to try something because you havent seen it done before is also sort of chicken shit mentality. I'm the kind of guy who would rather jump in first than play follow the leader. By all means stick with what works for you. And I can point you to many kick ass led grows but nothing like a warehouse full. Use your common sense and observe smaller scale grows and scale up to your desire. Wheres the problem in that? I know what I can do with leds only because I tried for myself, not because I saw someone else's journal. If you are truly interested in seeing what these can do then I suggest starting a small test run with one panel to see how it works for you since you are still doubting in a hopeful way. This is the only way you'll find out if leds are for you or not.
 
hoss12781

hoss12781

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxPvN9ke2Xg&feature=player_embedded

commercial grow with pro source 180w jumbo ufos. In my opinion these are great but expensive. I'm sold on my Pro-Grows from Hydro Hut. I also own a 100w ufo from Grow Led Hydro which was more expensive than the Hydro Hut lights watt for watt. GLH is supposed to be top of the line along with Pro Source, I have seen no noticeable difference between the GLH performance and the Pro Grow series. I will update the journal in my signature this weekend, I have four autos at 3 weeks. If you want to see some crazy autoflowers about to jump into full blown flower mode under led check it for definitive proof of what GLH and Hydro Hut can do on a small scale its pretty sexy.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Hi Red, have you used LED lighting, if so what brand. I have had success with mine and would like to see which brands have failed for others and if most of the people on here have experience using them or are jumping on the hate wagon without first hand experience. My last grow had one of the same strains I've had under a 400w hps and I did yield slightly 10% less than the avg HID yield, but the quality far exceeded the buds I had under HID.
The ones I bought were expensive but came with a 3 year warranty and are made in the usa. I won't have to replace ballasts (which may or may not have been an issue), and I def won't have to replace HPS bulbs which do need to be replaced every 6-9 mo to keep efficacy and are expensive for the good ones. All in all it was around $800 on leds to replace 2 400w HPS lights, cut my power consumption by 40% and have safe effective lights for the next three years. Made sense to me.
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No, I haven't used them yet. I know HID will get results. I don't have the same confidence with LEDs. I suspect, in a year or two (three?), I'll be switching to LED. The technology is advancing and the benefits are too great to be dismissed. I just don't want to invest my time and money in a grow and only get mediocre results. I guess I'm not an early adopter. Besides, if I buy the latest and greatest LED now, two years down the road, it will be old technology by then. I expect we'll be seeing cheaper and better LEDs, ones with a proven track record in two years. Right now, separating hype from fact is beyond my ability. I'm not a LED hater, just cautious. Getting rid of some of those fans and the high electric bills would be great. I believe that's why they can sell even the crappy LEDs. For now I will stick with HID, but I look forward to the day when I can buy a proven LED.
 
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