Info on Mephisto seed drops soon.

Humanrob

Humanrob

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GlassJoe said:
I was thinking that the F1s might be perfect for outside (maybe not the CDLC one because I've heard CDLC and its crosses are not large plants), just because F1s are usually quite vigorous so they might benefit from the space, and the space also means the phenotypic variation matters less (e.g. if some barely stretch and others stretch a ton it can make a tent awkward)
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I don't have what I consider in-depth knowledge or experience about F1's, but from what I've gathered F1's "can" have hybrid vigor, and hybrid vigor "can" present as bigger size. When it does, everyone is happy. When it doesn't, expectations were open ended so disappointment is moderate. I'm probably only going to grow four plants outside this summer at this location, so I'm hoping to have better odds that each space is occupied by a really big plant. :)
 
GlassJoe

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Tiflis said:
Think I received the same freebies, you plan on growing them out any time soon?
Hubbahaze sounds good, they didn't have that one in stock when I ordered. But I'm lucky I was able to place an order to begin with...
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I'm not sure, but I think I may just run one bean of every variety and see how they go.

Humanrob said:
I don't have what I consider in-depth knowledge or experience about F1's, but from what I've gathered F1's "can" have hybrid vigor, and hybrid vigor "can" present as bigger size. When it does, everyone is happy. When it doesn't, expectations were open ended so disappointment is moderate. I'm probably only going to grow four plants outside this summer at this location, so I'm hoping to have better odds that each space is occupied by a really big plant. :)
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Sounds like a reasonable approach; good luck!
 
GlassJoe

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MATTYMATT726 said:
Just so you know, all of these seeds can get big if given big pots and enough light. Hubbabubba and Ripley's OG are huge. SOH has SODK parent and that has gotten over 12 oz. Mango Smile has gotton over 1 lb(POUND) on Reddit and Samsquash has been a big producer as well.
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In a few weeks I'll have an empty 4x8 tent that can be used for overflow, but I'm used to growing photoperiod outdoors and they're generally large plants.

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Autofire

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Are Mephisto really that much better than all the other auto breeders?

I hope not cause I got f all chance of getting hold of them down here in Oz
 
GlassJoe

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MATTYMATT726 said:
Envious of that kind of space. Can't wait till my state is legal.
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I always think to myself that I wish I had the space to grow enough plants to do some proper selection and breeding, I guess the grass is always greener on the other side...

Moved the seeds to paper towels; they could have soaked longer but this way I won't have to worry about overdoing it.

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Autofire said:
Are Mephisto really that much better than all the other auto breeders?

I hope not cause I got f all chance of getting hold of them down here in Oz
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Mephisto are not the only breeders with good genetics, but they do have good genetics and a strong reputation based on that.
 
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Growbag22

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I'm looking to grow some Mephisto. So many to choose from. What's a good first strain to grow? Any input would be appreciated.
 
MATTYMATT726

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Growbag22 said:
I'm looking to grow some Mephisto. So many to choose from. What's a good first strain to grow? Any input would be appreciated.
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Honestly the only strains that might require some skills are 24 Carat, Sour Crack, Gold Glue and Strawberry/Purple Nuggets(some of these you can't even find anymore) are all very small. Less than 2 ft. usually, but as bushy as tall. Hard to train as a novice. Than on the other side, Ripley's OG, Hubbabubbahaze, Hubbabubbasmelloscope, SODK, Mango Smile, Fantasmo Express, Ghost Toof, Chemdogging can get pretty big and need training and bud support. Double Grape grew wleasy for me and i didn't really do much but top it. She's a 60/40 Indica/Sativa, tests up to 28% THC and averages 55 to 80 cm, so a medium plant able to be trained or let go natural and won't be overwhelming either way. NOT a Grape smell, but it was definitely strong. I layed down after smoking and my lower body got numb and i couldn't feel my legs and i got scared and shot up till i saw they were still there. It was definitely both kind of highs. Kind of like a burt wood or earthly smell to it, and very frosty.
 
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Growbag22

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MATTYMATT726 said:
Honestly the only strains that might require some skills are 24 Carat, Sour Crack, Gold Glue and Strawberry/Purple Nuggets(some of these you can't even find anymore) are all very small. Less than 2 ft. usually, but as bushy as tall. Hard to train as a novice. Than on the other side, Ripley's OG, Hubbabubbahaze, Hubbabubbasmelloscope, SODK, Mango Smile, Fantasmo Express, Ghost Toof, Chemdogging can get pretty big and need training and bud support. Double Grape grew wleasy for me and i didn't really do much but top it. She's a 60/40 Indica/Sativa, tests up to 28% THC and averages 55 to 80 cm, so a medium plant able to be trained or let go natural and won't be overwhelming either way. NOT a Grape smell, but it was definitely strong. I layed down after smoking and my lower body got numb and i couldn't feel my legs and i got scared and shot up till i saw they were still there. It was definitely both kind of highs. Kind of like a burt wood or earthly smell to it, and very frosty.
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Thanks for the info.
 
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Growbag22

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MATTYMATT726 said:
Honestly the only strains that might require some skills are 24 Carat, Sour Crack, Gold Glue and Strawberry/Purple Nuggets(some of these you can't even find anymore) are all very small. Less than 2 ft. usually, but as bushy as tall. Hard to train as a novice. Than on the other side, Ripley's OG, Hubbabubbahaze, Hubbabubbasmelloscope, SODK, Mango Smile, Fantasmo Express, Ghost Toof, Chemdogging can get pretty big and need training and bud support. Double Grape grew wleasy for me and i didn't really do much but top it. She's a 60/40 Indica/Sativa, tests up to 28% THC and averages 55 to 80 cm, so a medium plant able to be trained or let go natural and won't be overwhelming either way. NOT a Grape smell, but it was definitely strong. I layed down after smoking and my lower body got numb and i couldn't feel my legs and i got scared and shot up till i saw they were still there. It was definitely both kind of highs. Kind of like a burt wood or earthly smell to it, and very frosty.
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I ordered Alien vs Triangle, 3 Bear OG,and Ripley's OG. Can't wait.
 
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Growbag22

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Humanrob said:
That's a lot of info...

I don't grow plants outside in pots anymore, because I've found that some strains when given no root limitations (i.e. being in the ground) will take off and become huge. I want to give all my plants the opportunity to find their own limitations.

I'm at about 45.5ºN, I'm not even sure how long our days are, but I live in a neighborhood with lots of tall trees in my neighbors yards all around me, and June - August my backyard gets about 6-7 hours of direct overhead sun per day. That's it. On top of that, we have persistent issues with worms, so I have to grow under bug netting, which I understand cuts light by about another 20%.

Last summer I grew all Mephisto strains, I averaged 5-6 ounces each. They were frosty and sticky, but the buds were not dense, I have been told that with more light they would have been denser. I consider their lack of density to be a feature not a fuckup, because the airiness makes them less like to get moldy.

Since its your first grow in this location, I would try some in pots and some in the ground. If you get rain late in the grow, the ones in the ground you'll need to cover with plastic (over something like PVC hoops), the ones in the pots (it sounds like) you'll be able to take inside. 3 gallon is on the small side for outdoor growing, although I've seen people do it. I would imagine a 3 gallon fabric pot would need to be watered daily probably for at least the last month of the cycle. I'm giving my brother some plants to grow for me in his garden (we have a 4 plant limit per household) and those will be in 10 gallon pots.
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The plants you put in the ground do you transplant or start in the ground? And what do you add to the ground soil? If you do transplant to the ground how far ahead do you start your autos? I've never grown an auto outdoors only photos.
 
Humanrob

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Growbag22 said:
The plants you put in the ground do you transplant or start in the ground? And what do you add to the ground soil? If you do transplant to the ground how far ahead do you start your autos? I've never grown an auto outdoors only photos.
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A lot depends on where you are. If you are in CA you can probably put them right into the ground. Where I'm at, it's really not warm enough to put autos (which can stunt if exposed to cold weather) out until the beginning of the second week in June. "Warm enough" for me means daily highs in at least the mid-to-low 70's and overnight lows above 50º. Cool weather, including cool nights and mornings, can really slow them down and I've had a few strains that never really recovered from a cold start.

It varies a bit from season to season, but I always start them indoors in 1 gallon pots. I tend to start them the last week in May (unless they are known to be 11-12 week strains, in which case I'll start them earlier), and then if it's a mild spring I might put them out after only two weeks, in the first week of June. If we're having a longer colder spring, I'll hold them back in their pots another week.

I'm planting into an established garden with several year old raised beds, so I'll add about a half bag of fresh FFOF around each new transplant, and then just augment the soil similarly to the way I did when I grew photos outdoors, just cut back on the amounts. I used dry time release nutes. So far I've found that autos outdoors can be grown much closer to way I used to grow photos outdoors, than their indoor equivalents. What you will do will depend on the condition and type of soil you have natively, and what your goals are for plant size. The better the soil, the better the plant.

I'm not an expert, that's just what works for me. You have to look at the overall length of your season and determine your goals. For instance, my primary objective is to be finished before the end of August if possible, and no later than mid-September when the rains come -- so I plan backwards from there. Finishing in August is nice, the days are longer, the sun is still fairly high, and the nights are not so cool that everything is wet with dew in the mornings. Get into September here, and everything changes quickly and gets sketchy.
 
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Growbag22

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Humanrob said:
A lot depends on where you are. If you are in CA you can probably put them right into the ground. Where I'm at, it's really not warm enough to put autos (which can stunt if exposed to cold weather) out until the beginning of the second week in June. "Warm enough" for me means daily highs in at least the mid-to-low 70's and overnight lows above 50º. Cool weather, including cool nights and mornings, can really slow them down and I've had a few strains that never really recovered from a cold start.

It varies a bit from season to season, but I always start them indoors in 1 gallon pots. I tend to start them the last week in May (unless they are known to be 11-12 week strains, in which case I'll start them earlier), and then if it's a mild spring I might put them out after only two weeks, in the first week of June. If we're having a longer colder spring, I'll hold them back in their pots another week.

I'm planting into an established garden with several year old raised beds, so I'll add about a half bag of fresh FFOF around each new transplant, and then just augment the soil similarly to the way I did when I grew photos outdoors, just cut back on the amounts. I used dry time release nutes. So far I've found that autos outdoors can be grown much closer to way I used to grow photos outdoors, than their indoor equivalents. What you will do will depend on the condition and type of soil you have natively, and what your goals are for plant size. The better the soil, the better the plant.

I'm not an expert, that's just what works for me. You have to look at the overall length of your season and determine your goals. For instance, my primary objective is to be finished before the end of August if possible, and no later than mid-September when the rains come -- so I plan backwards from there. Finishing in August is nice, the days are longer, the sun is still fairly high, and the nights are not so cool that everything is wet with dew in the mornings. Get into September here, and everything changes quickly and gets sketchy.
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Thank You. I'm in the north east and it sounds like we have the same seasons. It sounds similar to what I've done with my photos. Thanks again for all the info. Ever bit helps and if I can learn a little form someone and maybe avoid a mistake it's worth listening. Good luck and happy growing.
 
GlassJoe

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1 week later, the seeds have sprouted and are doing well. Mango Sky F1 was the only one that was a little slow to germinate by comparison, but it seems to be alright. I have some photos in 12/12 from 10:30 at night to 10:30 am, so the autos are riding along for that time and then coming outside to get sunlight until ~7 pm for 20-21 hours of light a day total.
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Autofire

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GlassJoe said:
1 week later, the seeds have sprouted and are doing well. Mango Sky F1 was the only one that was a little slow to germinate by comparison, but it seems to be alright. I have some photos in 12/12 from 10:30 at night to 10:30 am, so the autos are riding along for that time and then coming outside to get sunlight until ~7 pm for 20-21 hours of light a day total.
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Are you going to run a diary for these?
 
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