Is the Keystone cancelation a good thing?

Rottedroots

Rottedroots

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I'm not sure I want gasoline to be more heavily taxed because it's a product that we need. If they need more tax money than stop subsidizing the tobacco industry. On top of that make the tax for cigarettes 10 bucks a pack because it's a choice. If you don't want to pay the tax don't smoke. The government do not want smokers to give it up. They pretend that smoking cessation is something they want. Can you say bullshit. I'm afraid alcohol is another source of huge additional tax revenue. Again you have a choice. If you don't want to pay the tax don't drink.
I haven't confirmed today that the pipe for keystone is manufactured in the Ukraine but I thought it was going to be manufactured here. We do have the technology I think. The same goes for wind turbines. The ones around me are made in China and the tower sections are built in the Ukraine or somewhere similar. I thought Pratt and Whitney could do that along with GE. WTF....
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Rottedroots said:
I'm not sure I want gasoline to be more heavily taxed because it's a product that we need. If they need more tax money than stop subsidizing the tobacco industry. On top of that make the tax for cigarettes 10 bucks a pack because it's a choice. If you don't want to pay the tax don't smoke. The government do not want smokers to give it up. They pretend that smoking cessation is something they want. Can you say bullshit. I'm afraid alcohol is another source of huge additional tax revenue. Again you have a choice. If you don't want to pay the tax don't drink.
I haven't confirmed today that the pipe for keystone is manufactured in the Ukraine but I thought it was going to be manufactured here. We do have the technology I think. The same goes for wind turbines. The ones around me are made in China and the tower sections are built in the Ukraine or somewhere similar. I thought Pratt and Whitney could do that along with GE. WTF....
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So is this something you 'heard'?

Or is this more teach the alternative kind of thing?

Just saying something like that may or may not be true, and still not actually mean anything. Are they new wind turbines or old ones?
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topcat

topcat

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franklinz said:
The extension follows the Ogalala Aquifer that feeds America's breadbasket. As someone who has worked with farmers in SO DAK, Nebraska, and Kansas, they rely upon the water that lies in this vast underground lake. If tainted most farmers and ranchers in these regions would be out of business and we will see higher food costs.
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And higher socialist subsidies of farmers.
Edit: The result of voting against your own best interests.
 
doublejj

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Dr.Amber Trichome said:
There is a small city in Central Oklahoma called Ponca City with a population of about 24,000 people. This small city is an epicenter for oil in the USA.

“The Ponca City Refinery processes a mixture of light, medium, and heavy crude oils. Most of the crude oil processed is received by pipeline from Oklahoma, Texas, and Canada. Infrastructure improvements have enabled the delivery of increased volumes of locally produced advantaged crude oil by pipeline and truck. The refinery is a high-conversion facility that produces a full range of products, including gasoline, diesel, aviation fuels, liquefied petroleum gas, and anode-grade petroleum coke. Its facilities include two fluid catalytic cracking units, alkylation, delayed coking, naphtha reforming, and hydrodesulfurization units. Finished petroleum products are shipped by truck, railcar, and pipelines to markets throughout the Midcontinent region.”

I can honestly tell you from working with the people of that city that a huge majority of the residents of that place have cancer , too many. I know first hand because I took care of them and provided cancer care to them. The numbers people with cancer in that town are incredible high , more so then any other place I have worked . The reason why is simple. It’s the environment impact of the oil refinery poisoning them. My patients even told me themselves.
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My grandson won the Ponca City Amateur Motocross Championship......that's the state of Oklahoma in his hands.
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Offmymeds

Offmymeds

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Dr.Amber Trichome said:
There is a small city in Central Oklahoma called Ponca City with a population of about 24,000 people. This small city is an epicenter for oil in the USA.

“The Ponca City Refinery processes a mixture of light, medium, and heavy crude oils. Most of the crude oil processed is received by pipeline from Oklahoma, Texas, and Canada. Infrastructure improvements have enabled the delivery of increased volumes of locally produced advantaged crude oil by pipeline and truck. The refinery is a high-conversion facility that produces a full range of products, including gasoline, diesel, aviation fuels, liquefied petroleum gas, and anode-grade petroleum coke. Its facilities include two fluid catalytic cracking units, alkylation, delayed coking, naphtha reforming, and hydrodesulfurization units. Finished petroleum products are shipped by truck, railcar, and pipelines to markets throughout the Midcontinent region.”

I can honestly tell you from working with the people of that city that a huge majority of the residents of that place have cancer , too many. I know first hand because I took care of them and provided cancer care to them. The numbers people with cancer in that town are incredible high , more so then any other place I have worked . The reason why is simple. It’s the environment impact of the oil refinery poisoning them. My patients even told me themselves.
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First hand experience of industrial pollution sucks. My wife, her sister, her mother, & her two neighborhood friends all suffering\suffered neurological problems. Koch Industries & their ilk are absolute evil IMO. That also goes for the military waste dumping. There should be no excuses.
 
Rottedroots

Rottedroots

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Your right hanimmal! My information is definitely more out dated than yours and comes from my knowledge of the handful of turbines in operation near where I reside that were manufactured elsewhere. I stand corrected and will put a bit more effort into citations The gripe around here has been not only that the were they built in China but they were maintained by Ukrainian firms. Anytime one of them has a problem the waiting period for the Ukrainian technicians to arrive and resolve was weeks.

"Grist" Business and Technology Review"

In 2007, just 25 percent of turbine components used in new wind farms in the U.S. were produced domestically. By last year, that figure had risen to 72 percent, according to a new report from the U.S. Department of Energy. And exports of such equipment rose to $388 million last year, up from $16 million in 2007."
hanimmal said:
So is this something you 'heard'?

Or is this more teach the alternative kind of thing?

Just saying something like that may or may not be true, and still not actually mean anything. Are they new wind turbines or old ones?
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Again you hit it right on the money. There's certainly is a giant difference between something you "know" and something you can cite. I will be more conscious of that
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Rottedroots said:
Your right hanimmal! My information is definitely more out dated than yours and comes from my knowledge of the handful of turbines in operation near where I reside that were manufactured elsewhere. I stand corrected and will put a bit more effort into citations The gripe around here has been not only that the were they built in China but they were maintained by Ukrainian firms. Anytime one of them has a problem the waiting period for the Ukrainian technicians to arrive and resolve was weeks.

"Grist" Business and Technology Review"

In 2007, just 25 percent of turbine components used in new wind farms in the U.S. were produced domestically. By last year, that figure had risen to 72 percent, according to a new report from the U.S. Department of Energy. And exports of such equipment rose to $388 million last year, up from $16 million in 2007."


Again you hit it right on the money. There's certainly is a giant difference between something you "know" and something you can cite. I will be more conscious of that
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Nice info man ty.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Fogdog said:
Hm

That's a classic authoritarian talking point, you have there. What a dumb ass post. One wonders how a person like you learned how to tie their own shoes. Or are you using those shoes with Velcro-closures?
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You would have thought my diagnosis of his rotted roots would have been met with gratitude ....... Trumpers, not a very gratuitous bunch are they jeesh :(. lol.
 
Fogdog

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Budley Doright said:
You would have thought my diagnosis of his rotted roots would have been met with gratitude ....... Trumpers, not a very gratuitous bunch are they jeesh :(. lol.
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Maybe he was asking for was some potion or elixir to treat his poorly understood seedlings. Like somebody who eats massive amounts of meat and potatoes then takes pills to overcome his cholesterol, high blood pressure, failing kidneys, impotence, bloat, diabetic foot ulcers, vision loss, incontinence, constipation, and mood swings. And complains about the cost of health care.

Trumpers double down on their delusions when challenged to change.
 
printer

printer

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Billyjob007 said:
Keep being puppets
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Oil, they knew the US had lots of it but it was not recoverable until fracking technology developed along with directional drilling.

Acid rain was reduced in the 70's. We used to get the rain clouds from the US and acidify lakes in the Canadian Shield.


The ozone? Maybe us changing the refrigerant might have saved a lot of those ozone molecules?

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Heck, you don't even need instruments to see glaciers receding. Just a long memory device.



You vote republican I would guess.
 
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