Justice Department announces crackdown on mmj

Everything that we have been talking about is ironically covered in this press release. [video=youtube;N3BzpJoapHc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3BzpJoapHc&feature=player_embedded#![/video]

lol, gotta love how she mentions how some of the dispensaries allow people to smoke inside and "presumably drive away". Wonder how she feels about a bar or restaurant? Should they target those too? And oh, the poor children. Oh and think of the children. Heaven forbid someone is able to buy marijuana near a park. What about the 7-11 across the street? They sell alcohol right next to CANDY! Think of the poor children! Fuck her and her fear mongering.

There is tons of money in marijuana BECAUSE of it's status as a schedule 1 drug and all of the risks associated with it. Pushing it all back underground won't change anything shes talking about. If they would just back off and allow a free market to work and without fear of persecution you could probably buy quality herb for about what you pay for fruit or vegetables and any crime related to it would literally vanish. I have to wonder how she feels about hospitals or pharmaceutical companies profiteering off sick people. Blahh blahh blahhhhhhhhhh...

So, for those of you who are so against the co-ops here in AZ, you support this?

apothecarist said:

So, for those of you who are so against the co-ops here in AZ, you support this?

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absolutey not...just because i hate how the co-ops work, doesnt mean i support our radical crazy government......
the feds have no right to butt in on state matters......this country is going to shit so fast.

You sounded hell bent on seeing that no one uses them. Sounds like the feds will take care of that for us now.

I fully support their right to exist as long as it they do not interfere with my right to grow for myself. I think supporting them is an important step forward in the bigger picture to what we all want in the end, lower prices and safer access for everyone. CA shops were getting 500+ for an oz a few years ago... and look what happened when the free market started to work.

Yes..to a degree I support this....they are targeting the profiteer's..I'm fine with that. And there should be more discretion with medicating...like with any medication, pick it up, take it home, then medicate. Can't compare this to alcohol..doesn't work that way. The majority of the fed and state reactions to medical mj, are caused by the idiots that try and profit. Act like a pharmacy, not a bar.

Pharmacys don't profit?

I mean I think i get what you're saying and I agree that they need to have a more professional and with a more medical approach. But profiteering is what America is all about, no? Taking the angle that they shouldnt be making money just seems ridiculous to me. If they would back the fuck off, the shit would be dirt cheap.

Why not make it a life saving event and close down the tobacco companies and have certain citizens grow MMJ in it's place.
Personally, I believe that even if everyone was doing everything right eventually the gov't would have to play their hand.
Living in the U.S. for 55 years I can tell you that the gov't will alway's show a forceful hand in any free market, MMJ or otherwise.
They have to think they are in control of everything and when they can't control something they dub it illegal?
Keep it real with the dispensaries and use common sense when opening and running one.
Keepin' it Green!

apothecarist said:

You sounded hell bent on seeing that no one uses them. Sounds like the feds will take care of that for us now.

I fully support their right to exist as long as it they do not interfere with my right to grow for myself. I think supporting them is an important step forward in the bigger picture to what we all want in the end, lower prices and safer access for everyone. CA shops were getting 500+ for an oz a few years ago... and look what happened when the free market started to work.

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The dispensaries did this to them selves I shopped at plenty of Cali dispensaries and I can tell you they sell very expensive meds and the law clearly states " not for profit" and what do they do instead of lowering the price of meds??? Nothing they just increase their yearly salary and raise red flags every where 400 a ounce is the same price as a street level dealer.Yeah they may show "no profit " on the books but when you start stepping on the toes of the FEDS showing salaries of 6 figures into the millions . Legalization will happen soon its just a matter of time before the FEDS figure out a way to get rich off it.

I agree with Beav and Phil. I have not even seen one shred of evidence to justify the prices that these compassion clubs and dispensaries charge. When you operate under the guise of not-for-profit and you net MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in income per year, you are cheating the system and should be ashamed of yourselves. If they txed the sale of it and left us little fish have our rights to grow a couple you'd actually find an equitable price.

Its funny because this past weekend my boy was coming down from LA and he said he was stopping at a certain dispensary so anyways I check the menu like I always do and low and behold the dispensary updated their menu's and stopped selling oz's, 1/2 oz's and quads they were only showing 1/8's and grams, they are fucked and now I have to clone.

MurshDawg said:

I agree with Beav and Phil. I have not even seen one shred of evidence to justify the prices that these compassion clubs and dispensaries charge. When you operate under the guise of not-for-profit and you net MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in income per year, you are cheating the system and should be ashamed of yourselves. If they txed the sale of it and left us little fish have our rights to grow a couple you'd actually find an equitable price.

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I think Colo has it right no one is really bothering them.

BeaverHuntr said:

I think Colo has it right no one is really bothering them.

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I haven't heard of new mexico getting punked around either

Colorados laws suck! Worse than arizonas by far. Only reason they aren't getting fucked with is because theirthe Mmj law is in the states constitution, an amendment instead of a house bill. They are the only Mmj state that did that

Colorado also allows profits. they are fighting California on the not-for-profit aspect of their businesses. You are allowed to make money and pay your employees in a non-profit business, However they are going outside of what is acceptable, if an owner is making more than $150,000 per year they are basically screwed.

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Colorado also allows profits. they are fighting California on the not-for-profit aspect of their businesses. You are allowed to make money and pay your employees in a non-profit business, However they are going outside of what is acceptable, if an owner is making more than $150,000 per year they are basically screwed.

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Thats what I noticed about the CA dispensaries and I'm a pretty educated dude. Just knowing they were raking in so much loot but yet never lowering their prices. To me it was like what the oil companies do only this time the FEDS have the upper hand.
The only way to not be screwed is to follow the rules if you are making too much money start selling your stuff cheaper. In cali you always knew witch dispensaries were shady, the ones that only did cash only sales were shady, and then the legit ones would get upset if you paid with cash.

They could lower prices or reinvest it into the community either way would have been beneficial. unfortunately many people decided to try and make money while the getting was good.

non profits in cali were also growing and providing more jobs to the local economy. Colorado's for profit system is so the state can collect a large piece of the revenue. whats interesting that happened in Colorado is that the mid sized caregivers have all pretty much been denied cultivation rights, which have gone to the larger commercial operations. also in Colorado there is very strict state oversight of all growing facilities. each grow site must have a direct video feed to the state government which can monitor the facilities at any time. on the other side the for profit system has been good for the consumer. competition has drove the price way down. it is not uncommon to see top shelf for 200$/oz at a dispensary and many have eigths capped at 35$. but this system has all but eliminated the caregiver which was intentional seeing that it is much harder to regulate and tax 10,000 small operations rather than 1000 big ones. also it is harder to collect revenue from private transaction between caregiver and patient.

the worst part about this is the same lobbying groups that developed this system in colorado are now in arizona. who do you think funded prop 203 and who do you think is funding these dispensaries and who do you think is funding these lawsuits brought against the state? and they will be wanting a return on the investment at this point i would say they are pot committed.

Yes, the dispensaries did this to themselves by locating near schools, libraries etc where youngsters gather. Just think if they had rational owners who opened in good locations to serve the clients rather than saturate areas so heavily. Staying off the radar is the ONLY way to operate whether a patient or a dispensary until the FEDS grasp reality & the LAWS change to more reflect reality. We all know prohibition has been an extreme failure.
Who knows, we may find out AZ has it right by not having dispensaries & allowing us to grow & become caregivers. Who needs a store to attract the wrong attention ? The State makes their money licensing patients & caregivers. Who needs more ?
The future is brighter than ever, just another bump along the way.

was around when pot was put on schedule 1 . . .

Wolfhound said:

Yes, the dispensaries did this to themselves by locating near schools, libraries etc where youngsters gather. Just think if they had rational owners who opened in good locations to serve the clients rather than saturate areas so heavily. Staying off the radar is the ONLY way to operate whether a patient or a dispensary until the FEDS grasp reality & the LAWS change to more reflect reality. We all know prohibition has been an extreme failure.
Who knows, we may find out AZ has it right by not having dispensaries & allowing us to grow & become caregivers. Who needs a store to attract the wrong attention ? The State makes their money licensing patients & caregivers. Who needs more ?
The future is brighter than ever, just another bump along the way.

was around when pot was put on schedule 1 . . .

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Thats what I say, its gonna have to be grow your own type stuff. I mean that way the govt gets its way by not having stores and patients still get their meds.