Lst/scrogg advice

StareCase

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... Not that I’ve noticed ...
You are right ... I see nothing but a nice looking plant. Thanks for the visual @Laughing Grass

Not as fortunate here. If I keep on with the VEG feed, within a few days the veins will go slightly purple and the finished flowers are not quite as robust. But I don't get that when I give 'em BLOOM feed once I go to 12/12. I think that might be due to the temp differences between lights on and lights off in a small tent.
 

Laughing Grass

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You are right ... I see nothing but a nice looking plant. Thanks for the visual @Laughing Grass

Not as fortunate here. If I keep on with the VEG feed, within a few days the veins will go slightly purple and the finished flowers are not quite as robust. But I don't get that when I give 'em BLOOM feed once I go to 12/12. I think that might be due to the temp differences between lights on and lights off in a small tent.
I have huge swings in temps between lights on and off. 83 on 65 off. I think that hurts me a bit, but I'm in a basement on a cold cement slab. When I started I would switch to flowering nutes when I switched to 12/12 and I'd have problems with N deficiencies. I think it was @curious2garden who suggested I not switch immediately. Do you notice that you plants go pale quickly after flip?
 

StareCase

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... I have huge swings in temps between lights on and off. 83 on 65 off ...
OK ... we have very similar environments then. It's around 82 with lights on in the tent and down to around 71 with the lights off.
... When I started I would switch to flowering nutes when I switched to 12/12 and I'd have problems with N deficiencies. I think it was @curious2garden who suggested I not switch immediately ...
Makes sense. And interestingly, I have P and/or K deficiencies if I don't use the BLOOM juice right after flip.
... Do you notice that you plants go pale quickly after flip? ...
I did - until I went "The Full Remo" on them right after flip. Remo's line of BLOOM nutes have very low levels of N so the leaves stay nice and green. And with the P and K right off the bat I don't get that discoloration in the leaves.
 

Marcorfl

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Flipped to 12/12 yesterday. Let’s hope a canopy of bud soon follows :bigjoint: relatively happy with how they look for first time properly doing LST. also now have a net just above the canopy for support and to tuck any stems during the stretch.
photo 1 is 4 plants
2: 5 plants
3: canopy shot
 

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Marcorfl

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Day 5: plants currently growing about 1 inch per day. Filling the net well now (ignoring the ugliness of the net:lol:) everything seems good so far. Only question is the canopy is getting extremely dense with leaves being an indica and its blocking a lot of the mid canopy. I plan to do a bit of lower growth stripping next week so should i pull a few fans off too? Or leave them be?Thanks
 

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Marcorfl

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Also pushing DLI too, currently between 25/30 around the edges and 40/44 in the middle. Co2 at around 700/800ppm
 

bubblescrogs

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Day 5: plants currently growing about 1 inch per day. Filling the net well now (ignoring the ugliness of the net:lol:) everything seems good so far. Only question is the canopy is getting extremely dense with leaves being an indica and its blocking a lot of the mid canopy. I plan to do a bit of lower growth stripping next week so should i pull a few fans off too? Or leave them be?Thanks
Since you've got heaps of light, I'd leave em and see how they end up after the stretch. Unless you've got humidity issues
 

Marcorfl

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Since you've got heaps of light, I'd leave em and see how they end up after the stretch. Unless you've got humidity issues
I have a 600w lumatek zues pro and a 420w adjusta watt so 1020w in a 8x5. Alright I’ll leave them be for the next week or so then and see how they come along. I have also just found out that you should run a higher room temp with LEDs due to less heat output? Currently running my room at 80/81. Not sure if I would get any benefits from raising it more
 

bubblescrogs

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I have a 600w lumatek zues pro and a 420w adjusta watt so 1020w in a 8x5. Alright I’ll leave them be for the next week or so then and see how they come along. I have also just found out that you should run a higher room temp with LEDs due to less heat output? Currently running my room at 80/81. Not sure if I would get any benefits from raising it more
nah that's right in the sweet spot for LEDs. Can bump it up a little if you want (85ish) but getting close to the danger zone for losing terps. Best to leave them alone during stretch to do their thing and sort it out once they've settled in I find
 

Marcorfl

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nah that's right in the sweet spot for LEDs. Can bump it up a little if you want (85ish) but getting close to the danger zone for losing terps. Best to leave them alone during stretch to do their thing and sort it out once they've settled in I find
Thank you bro I appreciate the advice, I’ll probably leave it be and save the cost on heating hahaha:D
 

bubblescrogs

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Thank you bro I appreciate the advice, I’ll probably leave it be and save the cost on heating hahaha:D
No worries man, they are looking great - keep doing what you're doing! It'll be a handful but I've got respect for others who pack their space to the brim hahaha
 

Marcorfl

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No worries man, they are looking great - keep doing what you're doing! It'll be a handful but I've got respect for others who pack their space to the brim hahaha
Hahaha yeah I imagine its going to get pretty full in here very soon lol. I don’t mind looking after them when growing its just the trimmings of 9 big plants I can’t stand :sleep: plus DWC just seems to just produce much more foliage as well
 

bubblescrogs

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Hahaha yeah I imagine its going to get pretty full in here very soon lol. I don’t mind looking after them when growing its just the trimmings of 9 big plants I can’t stand :sleep: plus DWC just seems to just produce much more foliage as well
They sure do. That's why I went for two 3x3 setups in my 8x4 so I can actually get in there for defol. Once they get packed out it's hard to just watch problems when you can't reach in there to sort them out. Especially if you get clogged lines or leaks later on and need access
 

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Marcorfl

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They sure do. That's why I went for two 3x3 setups in my 8x4 so I can actually get in there for defol. Once they get packed out it's hard to just watch problems when you can't reach in there to sort them out. Especially if you get clogged lines or leaks later on and need access
They look great man! Yeah that is a much more accessible set up for sure. If i need to i do bully my way in there lol but its not easy, i have definitely thought about reducing to 6 instead of 9 so i can get in there and have a much nicer scrog set up like yours
 

bubblescrogs

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They look great man! Yeah that is a much more accessible set up for sure. If i need to i do bully my way in there lol but its not easy, i have definitely thought about reducing to 6 instead of 9 so i can get in there and have a much nicer scrog set up like yours
yeah I was a bit scarred after my last run in the little 3x3. Roots clogged up the returns in week 7 so I had to do some pretty extreme yoga to pull the plumbing out and sort it at 1am after flooding the garage.
 

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Marcorfl

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yeah I was a bit scarred after my last run in the little 3x3. Roots clogged up the returns in week 7 so I had to do some pretty extreme yoga to pull the plumbing out and sort it at 1am after flooding the garage.
Hahahaha that sounds awful, I’m really quite fortunate I’ve been running my same system for a good 2 years and have never once had a leak or clogg! The one thing i have noticed with mine is the rootballs seem smaller this time for some reason, although they still have 8 weeks+ to go im unsure whether it actually matters in terms of yield
 

go go kid

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I have a 600w lumatek zues pro and a 420w adjusta watt so 1020w in a 8x5. Alright I’ll leave them be for the next week or so then and see how they come along. I have also just found out that you should run a higher room temp with LEDs due to less heat output? Currently running my room at 80/81. Not sure if I would get any benefits from raising it more
thats more for people who are switching over to the more cost effective led lights in colder climates. you look good with your temps, just watch the RH, as you have so much foliage.
 

Marcorfl

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thats more for people who are switching over to the more cost effective led lights in colder climates. you look good with your temps, just watch the RH, as you have so much foliage.
Rh currently between 63-66%. Am trying to follow a VPD chart as closely as i can. This one for reference. It says i should be slight higher on RH but I’m guessing inside the canopy is slightly more humid anyway so hopefully it’s about spot on
 

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Marcorfl

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Will update with pictures this sunday (day 14 from flip). Plants have stretched some but not a great deal probably 0.5 inches per day and everything was going perfect until a couple days ago when the e.c started to rise… i did a water change and upped to 1.5/6 and within 2 days it went up to 1.8. I have since lowered to 1.4 but i feel as though its rising again. PH stable and no leaf signs plants seem healthy with no burns. Question is what is the best plan of attack? Do I continue to lower daily or leave it and see if it sorts itself out
 

Marcorfl

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I am running high temps (28.5c) room temps with led, 63% humidity and 800ppm c02. One thing i could mention that may be a cause is root temps can get upto 23c which i know is not ideal but i am running athena clense and they are still bright white
 
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