seanel
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http://youtu.be/2MSCbxJ3EXI hey man told u id show u my grow here it is http://youtu.be/2MSCbxJ3EXI
Miracle Grow vs. Foxfarm Ocean Forest side by side comparison
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Highlanders cave
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Did you mean snow where you said rain each time ; ?) Your right about the trees preventing him from sliding into the oncoming traffic though. That could have had some terrible consequences.
Hope your youngest feels better
Hey hey seanel nice garden! I need to finish it watching it tonight, first half was good!
Thanks for letting us take a peek
Highlanders cave
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Day 6 not much to report yet...so far their watering schedule has been a small amount of water in the first two days, no water day 3 and 4 and a good drenching on day 5.
In an effort to minimize variables still, I'm going to use the same kelp fertilizer on both test subjects' and bag the Nitrozime. I will also use Earth Juice Catylyst on both. I use this on a regular basis and I think it will do the MG soil some good, it's supposed to break down stuff at a molecular level and make it easier for the roots to do their job. It calls for 1 tsp every 2-4 weeks and increasing dosage as the further you get into flower. I use about 3/4 tsp every watering as that amount puts the ph level where I want it, high 6's.
Nutrients that they are both getting...Neptunes Harvest Seaweed Fertilizer, Earth Juice Catylyst, lime in the soil and myco if you all think it's worth it in the MG soil as that subject will be getting high doses of synthetics
Trying to pound this post out lol, my old lady is coming over any minute with dinner
In an effort to minimize variables still, I'm going to use the same kelp fertilizer on both test subjects' and bag the Nitrozime. I will also use Earth Juice Catylyst on both. I use this on a regular basis and I think it will do the MG soil some good, it's supposed to break down stuff at a molecular level and make it easier for the roots to do their job. It calls for 1 tsp every 2-4 weeks and increasing dosage as the further you get into flower. I use about 3/4 tsp every watering as that amount puts the ph level where I want it, high 6's.
Nutrients that they are both getting...Neptunes Harvest Seaweed Fertilizer, Earth Juice Catylyst, lime in the soil and myco if you all think it's worth it in the MG soil as that subject will be getting high doses of synthetics
Trying to pound this post out lol, my old lady is coming over any minute with dinner
bassman999
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It doesnt ever snow here, I guess that isnt even in my vocabulary.Did you mean snow where you said rain each time ; ?) Your right about the trees preventing him from sliding into the oncoming traffic though. That could have had some terrible consequences.
Hope your youngest feels better
Hey hey seanel nice garden! I need to finish it watching it tonight, first half was good!
Thanks for letting us take a peek
She went to doc Wednesday and they said no infections..and she seems better today.
OGEvilgenius
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The two main issues I have with miracle gro are taste and health.... can almost guarantee you it's not going to taste as good as organic. More than that, and I know smoking at all isn't exactly health, but there's a difference in what you smoke... and i'm not hearing anyone talk about the benefits of smoking osmocote (or whatever they call it) in your buds. Not saying all non-organics are bad, just that i don't trust that those nutes are not gonna give me cancer. There's evidence that smoking cannabis actually fights lung tumor formation -- i'm not gonna negate it by smoking chemicals. How do you flush a 6 month time release pellet??
It's also not necessarily an organic vs nonorganic issue when it comes to price... it's more of a hydro store vs non-hydro store issue... the bigger stores sell organic amendments and soils that don't cost an arm and a leg... hell i'd rather grow the miracle grow organic soil than the osmocote crapi think i'm just gonna work on recycling.
Everytime you light up you smoke a bunch of random chemicals. Fertilizers aren't found in buds. Growing bud improperly will affect it's properties. You can grow it properly with anything as long as you have all the necessities. Organic is sustainable. That's the big advantage organic has.
OGEvilgenius
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Give coco a try for aeration.
albsure
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If you were going to compare MG's results to, all the other stuff you're giving those plants, then I would just feed the MG plants MG fertilizer. It has pretty balanced nutrient ratios. If you start to add a bunch of other products with it, I think you would run a good chance of giving it too much of some things and get the balance all screwed up. Also why add to the complexity? Also the MG soil doesn't need any help, it works as is. Sorry it just does. Like I said when I grew mine out in it, the roots looked very healthy when I emptied out the pots. Feeling heavier than you are used to and it being too heavy to actually work well on it's own are two different things. It's definitely heavier than a lot of soils you will work with but it's not too heavy and doesn't really need any help. I think the science put into the soils and their fertilizers is sound; in other words, they work.
albsure
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I know he said why but it doesn't make any sense to me and like I said, he will probably create nutrient ratio problems. I think the biggest problem I see on this site is people can't stop finding things to put on their plants and most of the claims are not scientific and probably can't be proven. Just because some manufacturer claims a product will give certain kinds of results doesn't mean you will actually get those results.
I'm also aware that everything eventually breaks down into chemicals but the point of the test is to see if he can get by with very cheap fertilizers and not to keep adding products that will create unknown nutrient ratios. It kind of defeats the purpose of using cheap fertilizers and then start adding more products on to your plants, especially if you don't know if they need them.
I'm also aware that everything eventually breaks down into chemicals but the point of the test is to see if he can get by with very cheap fertilizers and not to keep adding products that will create unknown nutrient ratios. It kind of defeats the purpose of using cheap fertilizers and then start adding more products on to your plants, especially if you don't know if they need them.
Highlanders cave
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The ingredients of the Earth Juice are oat bran, sea kelp, wheat malt, mollases and yeast. Ingredients of the Seaweed Fertilizer is kelp. If it feels good go for it.
Day 8...
Day 8...
bassman999
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They look the same to me so far HC
colocowboy
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Is is me or is the MG already darker green?
Highlanders cave
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You may not be wrong cowboy, they are easily holding their own if not doing better. The seedling second from the left is taking off.
The other test subjects, the Grape Apollo clones are ready to go into dirt, need to run up and grab a bag of OF first. Laters!
The other test subjects, the Grape Apollo clones are ready to go into dirt, need to run up and grab a bag of OF first. Laters!
seanel
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yeah id say you are doing well they all look ok... i think ff is actually looking better structure wise... one thing telling me that they taking better is stem/main stalk support... the ff is straighter meaning the roots have already taken and is pointing leaves twards light... the mh looks darker probly pulling up as much N as it can at the moment so it cant gain energy to grow roots.. These are my thoughts not facts... i am making this assumption bassed on pics alone..
bassman999
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Upon 2nd look cowboy it looks like they are greener.
Highlanders cave
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Yup good eye guys.
FFOF on the left, MG on the right...
.....the Grape Apollos should like the MG, they are little N pigs. Those clones get put into soil today, 3 in FFOF and 3 in MG
FFOF on the left, MG on the right...
.....the Grape Apollos should like the MG, they are little N pigs. Those clones get put into soil today, 3 in FFOF and 3 in MG
TrynaGroSumShyt
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i think in a week or two we will see who's doing over-all better at that point. Urea is taken up very fast which is where MG's n comes from right? Butt FF got shit in the soil that like to do the slow mo. So overal the color of MG will change fast but FF growth may catch up in my opinion. and look better overall. Hopefully. Who's down for a friendly wager ? for some beans?
Highlanders cave
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I asked the gal at the hydro store today if FFOF has changed it's mix or if Rick had changed the Cornicopia because for the last several months I have been getting more yellowing and earlier than usual with most of my plants. Upping the Grow nute a little in veg to see if that helps.
albsure
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That's fine but just so you realize that you are no longer comparing organic fertilizers to MG. You are comparing organic fertilizers to an altered nutrient ratio of MG. So I don't really know if the comparison means anything. You also stand a good chance of altering the ratios to the point where it will actually cause harm to the plant. But if that feels good do it.
The ingredients of the Earth Juice are oat bran, sea kelp, wheat malt, mollases and yeast. Ingredients of the Seaweed Fertilizer is kelp. If it feels good go for it.
Day 8...
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Highlanders cave
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When was I ever comparing organic nutes to MG? You missed something along the way, I'm not doing this for you I'm doing it as an experiment for myself just happen to be documenting it for shits and giggles.