Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

st0wandgrow said:

So, you're basically saying that people are too stupid to think for themselves, and do some research, and you and Monsanto know better. You would sooner keep people ignorant of what they're eating just in case genetically modified foods serve some greater purpose on the planet.

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Yes people are that stupid. Take anti's like yourself, your perfectly capable of buying 100% organic food which can't contain GMO

Yet here you are crying that you don't know what's in your food

Whether people choose not to eat it for perceived health reasons, or because they feel that fucking with nature has unforeseen ramifications, they should have that choice. This is America. Monsanto is free to roll out an advertising campaign disproving the myths, and touting their genetics, telling us all how they are going to save the world and keep us healthy. They have deep pockets.

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100% organic… what's stopping you from buying?

st0wandgrow said:

So, you're basically saying that people are too stupid to think for themselves, and do some research, and you and Monsanto know better. You would sooner keep people ignorant of what they're eating just in case genetically modified foods serve some greater purpose on the planet.

Whether people choose not to eat it for perceived health reasons, or because they feel that fucking with nature has unforeseen ramifications, they should have that choice. This is America. Monsanto is free to roll out an advertising campaign disproving the myths, and touting their genetics, telling us all how they are going to save the world and keep us healthy. They have deep pockets.

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We are saying in self rule, no tiny minority that can jack polling phrases into fear and action can ever succeed. The system is not an instant voting mob rule as you want. This is no Democracy beyond the state level. Don't be confused. Read the manual. It is specifically designed to block mob rule.

It is so obvious in the Farm Bill. We elect and train decision makers. And those vote against and for each other. Citizen are constantly pestering and molding and threatening the jobs of the elected. And any issue can either jail him or elect him President one day.

So, in self rule we plainly see a few things. You don't, but our elected saw this clearly and voted against you.

1) the agenda of fear and panic of the Luddites.

2) the attempt to stop the 2013 planting season

3) the constant lying sophistry of those that, devil worship, Monsanto as pure evil

4) the totally un-scientific emotion tamper of the public

So, to protect us, WE the People, had our elected put para:756 or whatever in the Farm Bill.

This entire thread is mis-named. And look at the thread title and these 4 points and you should see what we mean.

You say it is wrong. WE say WE blocked you, in self rule. Tough luck for you. But we didn't have to hunt you down, like in Warlord, so there is that.

If you weren't a bunch of 1-4s above, you might get somewhere with some important issue. But, as it is you have written yourselves off with stupidity. FAIL. And that is what hurts. You have Sophia over there telling us it is such an overwhelming opposition we fight. 2 classes of opposition. All these polls. Micro-miniscule and LOUD. LOUD is nothing.

2013 Farm Bill. You lose.

The Hippies are the mind killer. The hippies are the Fear and nothing else.

ginjawarrior said:

Yes people are that stupid. Take anti's like yourself, you're perfectly capable of buying 100% organic food which can't contain GMO

Yet here you are crying that you don't know what's in your food


100% organic… what's stopping you from buying?

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Fixed that for you. Call others stupid, and then proceed to spell like a kid in third grade.

Eating an exclusively 100% organic diet is not feasible for everyone. It's cost prohibitive.

Some people, myself included, are concerned about the ramifications of this from an environmental standpoint. Me buying organic products does little to address that.

st0wandgrow said:

So, you're basically saying that people are too stupid to think for themselves, and do some research,

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You have been told over and over and you still can not seem to grasp the concept.

You said you do not care about the health ramifications (I think you are lying about that and believe that vegetables will cause you to have butt tumors) you just want it labeled.

GMO crops, including vegetables, fruits and grains have not been shown to be unhealthy.
Therefore the government can not compel anyone to label their products as containing GMO.

I am sorry you are unable to grasp this simple point. I am embarrassed for you.

Even if I agreed with your insane fantasy, I can not change the government's stance on food labeling.
If you would like to try, go for it. There are much more important things to worry about when dealing with food, but if you want to fight a windmill, go for it. Again, for the 20th time, if the government mandated GMO be labeled, then they would have to label every vegetable as potentially dangerous.

st0wandgrow said:

and you and Monsanto know better.

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Again, for the 20th time, monsanto does not have the market on GMO cornered. There are many companies that produce GMO seeds/crops some of them are nono-profits.

I am amazed that you have been p[resented with such a large volume of factual information and all you do is cover your ears and say, "la la la I can't hear you."

How many times do you need to hear facts before they seem reasonable to you?

st0wandgrow said:

You would sooner keep people ignorant of what they're eating just in case genetically modified foods serve some greater purpose on the planet.

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You would have labels put on because their is a very slight chance that they are bad for you?
I thought you said you did not care about the potential health issues?

You are not arguing logically.

st0wandgrow said:

Whether people choose not to eat it for perceived health reasons,

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The perception of GMO is the problem. The people behind the perception of GMO products are for the most part liars.

You along with 80-90% of the country has been duped by idiots.

You have been duped, you accepted a turd sandwich and are still chomping away on it, smiling.

st0wandgrow said:

or because they feel that fucking with nature has unforeseen ramifications, they should have that choice.

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Yes, you have the choice to ignore science, but why mandate labeling for your brand of crazy?

st0wandgrow said:

This is America.

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You can not force companies to label a product for hazards that do not exist.
If you do not like it, work to change it.

As has been said 57 times, you have the choice to buy organic food and shop at Whole Foods.

st0wandgrow said:

Monsanto is free to roll out an advertising campaign disproving the myths, and touting their genetics, telling us all how they are going to save the world and keep us healthy. They have deep pockets.

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Again, monsanto does not produce all the GMO stuff in the world.


You are hopelessly ignorant about the subject and you refuse to see how flawed your argument is.


Maybe you will understand this time, lol?
1. You do not have top buy GMO foods, no one does.
B. Buy organic and shop at Whole Foods.
3. Work for change. Make the government change their labeling rules.

If you think banggout spilin had anytohg to do withi inteleict

st0wandgrow said:

Fixed that for you. Call others stupid, and then proceed to spell like a kid in third grade.

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Yes, excellent point. You have forced me to re-examine my views on science and the scientific method. (Did you smell the sarcasm in that post?)

st0wandgrow said:

Eating an exclusively 100% organic diet is not feasible for everyone. It's cost prohibitive.

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You should make more money then.

st0wandgrow said:

Some people, myself included, are concerned about the ramifications of this from an environmental standpoint.

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Finally, he clarifies his insane opinion a little bit.
If that is true, cotton should be labeled as bad for the environment.
There are many fruits and vegetables that are bad for the environment.

Where do you think the fresh fruit comes from that you buy in the Winter?
It is flown in from the Southern hemisphere. that is not good for the environment.

We would have to label every fruit and vegetable as such. your little GMO label would get lost in the shuffle.

st0wandgrow said:

Me buying organic products does little to address that.

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That is your opinion.

You really want it your way and you do not seem to care about the ramifications.

cotton uses 2.5 percent of the world’s cultivated land yet uses 16 percent of the world’s insecticides—more than any other single major crop

Three of the most acutely hazardous insecticides, as determined by the World Health Organization, are well represented among the top 10 most commonly used in producing cotton.

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Label it?..

Yes, yes. We can start a campaign of fear and get Haines to put the labels back on. So what if they irritate the neck?

WARNING: Cotton uses 2.5 percent of the world’s cultivated land yet uses 16 percent of the world’s insecticides—more than any other single major crop.

Protect your anus from GMO carrots, zucchini and cucumbers.

Should be pretty each to grow those with that label spelled out in cellular structures.

Trousers, you keep repeating the same shit as if you've stumbled upon some revelation.

Yes, we get it. If you want something labelled, you need to lobby politicians to get it done. Fascinating info there captain-obvious.

My position remains, and as Doer has pointed out a good majority of people feel the same way. Maybe they should start hanging out on a pot forum 24/7 like you two and become enlightened.

st0wandgrow said:

Trousers, you keep repeating the same shit as if you've stumbled upon some revelation.

Yes, we get it. If you want something labelled, you need to lobby politicians to get it done. Fascinating info there captain-obvious.

My position remains, and as Doer has pointed out a good majority of people feel the same way. Maybe they should start hanging out on a pot forum 24/7 like you two and become enlightened.

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You mean a meager and ignorant MINORITY. Typo?

So, nice post count envy as well.

st0wandgrow said:

Trousers, you keep repeating the same shit as if you've stumbled upon some revelation.

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You keep repeating the same shit as if it were logical at all.

st0wandgrow said:

Yes, we get it.

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You sure? It doesn't seem like you do. If the government forced labeling like you want, that would open the door to the point each banana would come with a thumb drive full of labels and warnings.

st0wandgrow said:

If you want something labelled, you need to lobby politicians to get it done. Fascinating info there captain-obvious.

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I don't think you understand the ramification of what you are proposing, Captain dubious.

st0wandgrow said:

My position remains,

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Enjoy that hot mess.

st0wandgrow said:

and as Doer has pointed out a good majority of people feel the same way.

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So you are brainwashed, just like them.
Sweet for you, enjoy being a slave to lies and junk science.

st0wandgrow said:

Maybe they should start hanging out on a pot forum 24/7 like you two and become enlightened.

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Maybe you should make more money so you can afford organic foods.
Perhaps you should look into a class at the adult learning annex on logic and critical thinking.

"Maybe you should make more money so you can afford organic foods."




I do buy organic foods. Where have I said that I don't? Are you that butthurt over this that you've resorted to making stuff up about people's financial situations that you don't even know? Weak sauce, skippy. lol

st0wandgrow said:

So, you're basically saying that people are too stupid to think for themselves, and do some research, and you and Monsanto know better. You would sooner keep people ignorant of what they're eating just in case genetically modified foods serve some greater purpose on the planet.

Whether people choose not to eat it for perceived health reasons, or because they feel that fucking with nature has unforeseen ramifications, they should have that choice. This is America. Monsanto is free to roll out an advertising campaign disproving the myths, and touting their genetics, telling us all how they are going to save the world and keep us healthy. They have deep pockets.

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In California we had a ballot initiative, Prop 35 if i remember correctly. It was nominally about limiting sexual predation, but if you looked under the surface it was a way to increase confiscation/forfeiture by and for police. It was written in such a way to provide no real protection to the nominal class of victims. It had the widest margin by far of Yes to No votes. (Six to one! when nothing else even rose to two to one in either direction.) So, speaking for my state alone, I do believe that the great majority of voters don't do their homework and simply go with the flow, which is very manipulable. The conclusion: public support does NOT always correlate with sound thinking, especially when we as a collective are so easily and cynically manipulated.

Requiring "contains GMOs" labeling has one and only one objective: to tie into the mass perception of "unclean!" and torpedo GMOs as a viable commercial option, quite independent of what the facts may be.

Not labeling does not remove the choice. Requiring the labeling is an abdication imo. I is just another way to say "someone else do my homework; I'm bored."

The red does not follow from the blue. That is using fallacy to manipulate the argument. You are enthusiastically, swing-that-scimitar on board with doctrinaires in this issue. The streets will flow with the blood of the unbelievers.

And if you look at the sexual predator maps....these persecuted individuals are EVERYWHERE. You never go off the list. And what can get you on that list is much more than you think. They live, I believe under a very bogus stigma that they can never reform. May as well be Jews, right? Wear a big patch of Shame?

But, we let these slap drunk drivers kill people before we do anything. The drunk killers most often have a long DUI rap sheet.

Where is my list of DUIs around here?

So, people were in a fake panic about this and it is useless, same as Prop 65. Same as Prop 8. So marking with Shame for later abuse got past the very few court challenges, if any.

Who will stick up for me after they have taken the Jews and kid lovers, the merchants and the artists?

st0wandgrow said:

I do buy organic foods. Where have I said that I don't?

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You have ignored every practical and logical answer to your questions and balked at purchasing organic foods.

st0wandgrow said:

Are you that butthurt over this that you've resorted to making stuff up about people's financial situations that you don't even know? Weak sauce, skippy. lol

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I thought you were done repeating your silly opinions and moved on to name calling.
Fine, let's get back to you making no sense and others trying to explain to you why your opinion doesn't make any sense.





You can get carotenemia from eating too many carrots.

Why don't we label carrots to warn people of the possible health risks?
Why would we label foods as GMO when no one can substantiate a risk?

labels are not only for risk or warnings . . derp derp . . . .this is too funny

and watching you two parrot each other with no substance to your words is even more entertaining ill come back tonight and check in on how the two stooges are bouncing back and forth off each others self proclamations of labels=risk vs information

i have never seen two people fight so hard to keep people intentionally uninformed . . very Obama of you both

Samwell Seed Well said:

labels are not only for risk or warnings . . derp derp . . . .this is too funny

and watching you two parrot each other with no substance to your words is even more entertaining ill come back tonight and check in on how the two stooges are bouncing back and forth off each others self proclamations of labels=risk vs information

i have never seen two people fight so hard to keep people intentionally uninformed . . very Obama of you both

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Sammy Sophistry, how's tricks Big Guy? Am I kicked out of your head now to make room for Doer, or do I still get to live there rent free?
Go lobby the government. I don't have the power to change their rules, but we can talk about how dumb your opinion about labeling is.

Shouldn't we have all the information available about each vegetable we buy?
Thumb drives with every banana, spreadsheets for your mangoes...

Hey Trouser Trout, I'm glad you brought that up.

Water overdose will kill you and it only takes about 8 gallons. DJ contest in Sacto, killed a woman.

And you know, Monsanto secretly owns all the water on the Planet...so....LABEL.