UncleBuck
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fixed it for ya!
Muslims...
- Thread starter WileyCoyote
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UncleBuck
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your story is made up. this is the internet after all.
since this is the internet, i should mention that i was on the 72nd floor of tower 2 when the plane hit. i singlehandedly carried 18 helpless babies down those flights of stairs and then punched a terrorist in a fist fight who was trying to stop my progress. when i got down i delivered the babies to their mothers one by one, banging each babie's mama along the way, then i kicked a superbowl winning field goal from 115 yards out.
UncleBuck
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did i mention that i am a senator from the state of colorado and i also won the nobel prize last year?
DreamTime
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Don't feel bad Heisenberg, every time Wiley starts one of his bigoted rants, and start loosing (which happens almost immediately), he whips out his dead wife and kids.
Wiley is like some sad little school kid who behaves badly to get attention and then when he gets called out for it, plays a victim card to make those confronting him feel guilty.
I sincerely hope Wiley is full of shit about his wife dying in 911, because if he's not, I can only imagine how embarrassed and humiliated his wife would be if she saw that she was being used to defend this bigoted screed.
Oh, and I like how Wiley who admits to hating on 1.6 billion people calls you a prejudice bastard... that's truly epic hypocrisy.
mindphuk
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There were many ideas about evolution before Darwin. You are referencing the idea that the environment can impact an organism's development. These ideas have circulated in fables for generations and what Lamarck set out to prove. Darwin was the first person to come along and give an explanation for evolution that actually can be backed up by the observations. His idea of descent with modification was his breakthrough, not the fact that things evolved. This is one of the problems with the anti-science religious types. They think discrediting Darwin will somehow remove evolution off the table when in fact people recognized the fact of evolution long before, only a reasonable mechanism was missing.
tyler.durden
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It's true. I saw UncleBuck do all of these things, it was truly amazing...
smok3y1
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So whats your opinion of a successful specie?
So what there is no evidence to say god does or does not exist and there never will be. Some people believe in god based on personal experience something Atheist have not gone through therefore have no understanding of. Why do some Atheist complain about Theist imposing their believes on others when they do the exact same thing.
I wasn't attempting to discredit anyone I was just trying to say that just because someone believes in God does not mean they can't believe in evolution or study science.
Heisenberg
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The issue was your characterizing criticism of belief in god as a joke and sighting lack of (dis)proof. Clearly in all other areas of inquiry the burden of proof falls to the party making the claim. Claims of a deity are no exception. Your statement indicates that you either do not understand standards of rational examination or do not respect them. Either case brings into question your intellectual merit.
Since atheism is the lack of a belief, a position utterly without content, it is impossible to push it onto someone. There is no atheist ideology to base laws on, no atheist dogma demanding observance, and no atheist holidays to impose upon believers. I do not consider communication to be pushing, as we all have the right to expression. This is basically a red herring intended to distract from your misapplication of logical rules.
As for personal experience, the very fact that all religions have followers with personal stories seems to suggest something more is going on. Which personal experiences do we pay attention to? Those confirming Jesus? Those confirming the earth mother? How about Poseidon? What distinguishes one from the other? The assertion that atheists do not have these experiences and therefore can not understand is both false and qualifies as special pleading.
As I said, if you want to participate in an informed discussion, you'll need to make the effort of first informing yourself. You wont be fooling anyone here with half-baked pretzel logic.
Smoke Friend
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OK, where to start. First of it is wrong to generalize 22% of the worlds population (2010). Second 9/11 got nothing to do with Muslims the evidence point back to the government, if you feel this statement is invalid any so called Muslim who would do anything like that is in fact NOT a Muslim. For the people out there thinking Islam is a religion of war and terror think about this, the prophet Mohammed s.a.w never hit anyone in hes lifetime and he is the perfect example of how you should behave. And for those links of verses of Qur'an please do not bring false information anymore, read it you're self.
Thank you.
Thank you.
smok3y1
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I understand what you mean by having to present evidence for the claim of a deity but there are none, the reason why I believe in God is because of my personal experience something nooone can tell me otherwise and I can't convince on to others. And yes Atheism can and has been imposed on people for example when the Peoples Republic of China was formed in the 50's there was no freedom of religion, many Temples, Churches and Mosques were looted and destroyed and there was discrimination against Theist.
eye exaggerate
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Padawanbater2
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Anecdotal evidence is useless when assessing reality based claims.
What personal experience did you have that led to your belief in God? What makes you certain the one true God is the one your mind has assigned to it and not a different one? Do you think your location might have something to do with that selection process? The culture you were raised in? If you're smack dab in the middle of Pakistan and all of a sudden have some personal experience happen to you that turns you Christian, that still wouldn't be proof of anything, but it would be a lot more interesting than learning about a person raised in western civilization who grew up to be a Christian, because that's usually what happens.
What would seem more likely to me is that a government would ban a religion nationally because they see them as competition, especially in places like North Korea, China, USSR, not because they wish to impose an atheistic world view among the population. They want complete obedience, a persons faith generally comes first, even over nationalism, unless some drastic action is taken... like banning religion.
How would a more informed, more educated population be easier to control or manipulate?
tyler.durden
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I think Pad got this right: it wasn't atheism (lack of belief in a deity) that was imposed in your examples, it was Nationalism. North Korea has a system of total control where the gov't is a theocracy, church & gov't blended into one awful monster. When the USSR, nazis or China outlawed the belief systems of religion, it was to replace it with the belief system nationalism, not the non-belief system of atheism...
smok3y1
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No offense but I don't want to talk about my personal experience online, only a select few of my friends know about it even though this forum is practically anonymous. And I live in Europe, my parents have never forced religion on me, neither has my friends or community. In fact my parents are hardly religious at all. And nope it was state atheism.
'State atheism is the official "promotion of atheism" by a government, sometimes combined with active suppression of religious freedom and practice'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism
Not that I am criticizes Atheism thats your belief and are perfectly entitled to it. But you shouldn't knock on other peoples beliefs either.
Padawanbater2
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Why don't you want to talk about what convinced you to become religious?
All of us are subject to influences of religion every day, whether they're subconscious and we're unaware of them or not.
How would one 'actively promote a non-belief'?
To most theists, legitimate criticism and complete heresy is synonymous, a consequence of the culture we live in. It's an impossible task to not offend anyone these days.
Heisenberg
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So where is the joke then? Criticizing religious belief is not only proper, it's mandatory to someone who is worried about intellectual honesty. If someone tells me there are fairies in the woods, there is no rational person on earth who would blame me for withholding credibility until I am convinced. Pointing out the lack of reason behind beliefs is elementary to examining knowledge. As you can see the atheists here make a lot of sense and are far from joking.
Again, if I had a personal experience convincing me of magical fairies, it would mean nothing to you, and do nothing to support the truth value of the belief. Divine, transcending states of mind can be reproduced in the lab, and all the ways in which we know to reproduce them involve damaging the brain or disrupting normal brain function. If anything, these personal experiences of God people have would seem to indicate brain dysfunction of some type. In any case, they do nothing to lend validity to god since no one god has more numerous or more convincing experiences from it's followers than another. Unless you believe all gods are real, then a vast majority of these experiences must be false, with no distinguished criteria among them.
As I said, no one here is going to be fooled by half-baked nonsense. One problem with north Korea is the same problem we find with religion. Dogmatic adherence to an ideology. The lack of critical thought and awareness. All of the atheists I have encountered here, and most other places in life, are absolutely fine with freedom of religion. If a state is forbidding freedoms it is a human rights issue, not a devine one. If N Korea imposed Christianity tomorrow, would it make them a better place in terms of freedom?
You started out with the premise that Atheists impose their beliefs on someone as much as religious people. The only examples you can list is political tyranny, which has nothing to do with atheism. Your average rational atheist does not support N Korea.
jessy koons
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I, sir, am a Muslim.
smok3y1
Active Member
How are you influenced by religion everyday? Actually since I think your from America it might be different but in Europe I am not influenced in the slightest.
Promoting a non-belief can be done like China did by restricting religion and discriminating against them.
And it depends on the criticism not all criticism is legitimate for example the first post in this thread.
Well it depends on the personal experiences like I said its my personal experience which has nothing to do with anyone.
China's leaders were imposing their Atheist beliefs on Theist so yes its a divine issue as well a human rights one. And I was talking about SOME Atheist who try and impose their believes on Theist, some of the forums/imageboards I go on if they find out your a Theist they will attempt to impose their beliefs on you or resort to insults. But obviously am not referring to all infact it annoys me when anyone does it whether Theist or Atheist. However I am not debating Atheism vs Theism. I don't care what your beliefs are, the only reason am in this thread is because of prejudice comments I came across regarding Islam if you want to debate about the existence of God start your own thread.
mindphuk
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No true Scotsman