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Getzinger

Getzinger

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Hey guys this is my first day on the site posting and as a member but I have read some great advise on here for a while. I have just come to a stand still and had some questions I hope I could get some answers to. So this is my first grow and I’m not too sure how I’m doing. I’m growing GG#4 and a strain called California blood which I have never heard of before. I have 16 plants 8 in each tent I have. One tent seems to be doing well and the other is having some issues both rooms are exactly the same. The lights are at the same height watered the same amount and given the same nutrients and the same amount. Both on a 18/6 light schedule. It seems like I have stunted growth with 14 of them. Only 2 are doing very well both near 2 feet all others are about 10 inches and I am 9 weeks from seed which I think my size is very small for that. I am going to post pictures and any advise would be much appreciated! Thanks so much
 

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Thegermling

Thegermling

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Getzinger said:
Hey guys this is my first day on the site posting and as a member but I have read some great advise on here for a while. I have just come to a stand still and had some questions I hope I could get some answers to. So this is my first grow and I’m not too sure how I’m doing. I’m growing GG#4 and a strain called California blood which I have never heard of before. I have 16 plants 8 in each tent I have. One tent seems to be doing well and the other is having some issues both rooms are exactly the same. The lights are at the same height watered the same amount and given the same nutrients and the same amount. Both on a 18/6 light schedule. It seems like I have stunted growth with 14 of them. Only 2 are doing very well both near 2 feet all others are about 10 inches and I am 9 weeks from seed which I think my size is very small for that. I am going to post pictures and any advise would be much appreciated! Thanks so much
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What media are you growing in?
 
blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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First thing I would do is check the soil ph with the slurry method. My guess is you've got a ph issue somewhere which is locking things out
 
Thegermling

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blowincherrypie said:
First thing I would do is check the soil ph with the slurry method. My guess is you've got a ph issue somewhere which is locking things out
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This guy. Is that your solution to everything. "Check PH" A surry test requires media at least from two inches down (and if you rip up some roots then the plant "could" be stressed). Check runoff ppm/ec. If you know how to interpret the numbers youll find whats up. Thats better than digging through your plants roots (a slurry test should be THE last resort, honestly). Im only spreading knowledge.
 
Bernie420

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Running a bunch of water through your pot and saying your checking ph or ppm basically means absolutely nothing and does more harm than good like flushing all of your nutrients and microbes out of your pot.

op you dont have very much info to go on. Each plant is going to be different even if it is the same strain they are all different. My guess going on dude I have a small plant and their not growing, is that your nutrients are too hot and you are not giving it any microbes, no kelp to help the roots, your lighting sucks or not positioned in the correct height, you over watered, its too hot, its too cold.

going on no info and your shitty blurple pics. This is what you do.flush your pots with clean water {yes I said flush them to runoff of at least three gallons each but we aint checking those numbers cuz they mean absolutely nothing} renute with your unknown veg nutes at about 250 for the small ones 350-400 for the larger ones ph-ed to 6.5-7, in the feed add some microbes add some kelp or a root enhancer to help the roots get going. Put the smaller ones in the center under the best light not too far not too close then leave them alone could be a couple of weeks or a lot longer till you need to water the small ones again. If you dont have a ppm or ph meter i would say thats your real problem not knowing what your giving your plants,get a ppm meter first and use the cheap test strips to check ph till you find a meter you can live with. No ppm meter go by 1/4 strength recommended on the bottle, no microbes I wouldnt even bother doing anything I said as plants dont really grow without microbes in the soil.

 
jaggwaa

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I think its the lights, i have seen this with my first grow. The light intensity is just not enough. Try moving the light closer. couple inches away from your plants and see what happens, and dont worry, if they are LEDsss they will not heat damage
 
Logan Burke

Logan Burke

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Gonna need more info bud...the stickies at the very top of this section of forum say not to post pictures under LED/Blurple lighting and HPS lighting because it makes it difficult. Doing things like that will help get the vets to respond to your threads. What are your pot sizes, are those 5gals? What kind of nutrients?...Sometimes different plants of the exact same strains can look different and be different phenotypes...if they're healthy, I wouldn't fret too awfully bad, just keep an eye on them...best of luck.
 
blowincherrypie

blowincherrypie

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jaggwaa said:
I think its the lights, i have seen this with my first grow. The light intensity is just not enough. Try moving the light closer. couple inches away from your plants and see what happens, and dont worry, if they are LEDsss they will not heat damage
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No, you see how the lower leaves on the first pic are yellowing, curling up and dying? Thats usually a P lockout.. usually, and especially in veg, its because of ph issues (sometimes rootbound/salt buildup etc).

Logan Burke said:
Gonna need more info bud...the stickies at the very top of this section of forum say not to post pictures under LED/Blurple lighting and HPS lighting because it makes it difficult. Doing things like that will help get the vets to respond to your threads. What are your pot sizes, are those 5gals? What kind of nutrients?...Sometimes different plants of the exact same strains can look different and be different phenotypes...if they're healthy, I wouldn't fret too awfully bad, just keep an eye on them...best of luck.
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Definitely need some more pics without the disco lights, but he's got 10" plants with yellow/twisted leaves going on 2.5 months.. shit's not healthy and he definitely doesnt wanna go into flowering with bad P issues.
 
jaggwaa

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blowincherrypie said:
No, you see how the lower leaves on the first pic are yellowing, curling up and dying? Thats usually a P lockout.. usually, and especially in veg, its because of ph issues (sometimes rootbound/salt buildup etc).

Thank you my friend. you are probably right, i think he is using some organic compost and lots of it. That big chunks looks like cow dung compost. Maybe its too hot. Salt buildup is very much possible if he is applying minerals on top of organic media. Specially if he has not flushed in two months.
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Bernie420

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op microbes regulate the ph the plant needs right at the root zone. Water in at ph 6.5. and your good. Dont over think your problem cuz the answer is simple. Over or under fed, over watered, to little of light. Post back with your nutes what you fed them and how much/often what lights you have temp and humidity levels. what you are growing in. And dont drop your light two inches on top of your plants closer maybe but not two inches.
 
Thegermling

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Bernie420 said:
but we aint checking those numbers cuz they mean absolutely nothing
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Uhh... Why though? Why dont they mean nothing? Do you have an explanation? The Ec of the runoff can be a good indication if the plant is feeding or not, it can tell him if theres too much nutrient (salt) in the media that theres a lock out. You have to explain man.
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Thegermling said:
Uhh... Why though? Why dont they mean nothing? Do you have an explanation? The Ec of the runoff can be a good indication if the plant is feeding or not, it can tell him if theres too much nutrient (salt) in the media that theres a lock out. You have to explain man.
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I can see if the plant is feeding or not by its growth that is happening or not. If my plant isnt feeding and I have been adding nutes alot or havent flushed my pots in awhile I can just assume that the ppm will be high in the runoff and that number means nothing to me.
 
Thegermling

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Bernie420 said:
I can see if the plant is feeding or not by its growth that is happening or not. If my plant isnt feeding and I have been adding nutes alot or havent flushed my pots in awhile I can just assume that the ppm will be high in the runoff and that number means nothing to me.
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You are contradicting yourself bro. If you "assume" the runoff EC is high it DOES mean something which is lockout. Come on bro I dont know who youre trying to convince (I havent been). Op any media can be oversaturated with nutrients (even soil) especially for beginners. I would suggest checking runoff EC. I never said to "run a bunch of water" through the media and what youre thinking of is flushing (which I never said either) to get rid of build up. Water with your normal dose, collect some runoff and test EC. Its not accurate but it can give you an idea of whats going on (doesnt hurt plant or risks removing any nutrients in media).
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Thegermling said:
You are contradicting yourself bro. If you "assume" the runoff EC is high it DOES mean something which is lockout. Come on bro I dont know who youre trying to convince (I havent been). Op any media can be oversaturated with nutrients (even soil) especially for beginners. I would suggest checking runoff EC. I never said to "run a bunch of water" through the media and what youre thinking of is flushing (which I never said either) to get rid of build up. Water with your normal dose, collect some runoff and test EC. Its not accurate but it can give you an idea of whats going on (doesnt hurt plant or risks removing any nutrients in media).
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If the runoff is high it doesnt mean that I will have a lockout situation. You dont know if that is what has caused a deficiency and the number means nothing.

Its not accurate but it can give you an idea of whats going on it doesnt help you at all the number means nothing.
 
Thegermling

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Bernie420 said:
If the runoff is high it doesnt mean that I will have a lockout situation.
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Bro excess nutrients lock out others (antagonism) and usually leads to burning of the plant and deficiency and excess symptoms because of ridiculous amounts of built up salt in the media.
And if you check youre runoff EC and its well over a thousand (for example lets say he feeds 700 ppm (500 scale as an example)) then for sure its buildup. If its not taken care of the plant can and will eventually burn and/or show deficiencies or excess symptoms of certain elements. Those numbers can tell you a good bit. Try harder to convince me. Show me some links. Alot of people not just me believe in checking runoff EC. It is a usefull tool. And its a heck of alot better than shooting in the dark.
 
Bernie420

Bernie420

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Thegermling said:
Bro excess nutrients lock out others (antagonism) and usually leads to burning of the plant and deficiency and excess symptoms because of ridiculous amounts of built up salt in the media.
And if you check youre runoff EC and its well over a thousand (for example lets say he feeds 700 ppm (500 scale as an example)) then for sure its buildup. If its not taken care of the plant can and will eventually burn and/or show deficiencies or excess symptoms of certain elements. Those numbers can tell you a good bit. Try harder to convince me. Show me some links. Alot of people not just me believe in checking runoff EC. It is a usefull tool. And its a heck of alot better than shooting in the dark.
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Correct but you cant tell what is blocking out what. The number you get is useless. I am sure my dirt plants all have ppm in excess of a thousand ppm's or more and my microbes buffer all that and my dirt plants are fine. Feed water water feed flush your pots every couple of months or before flower renute and your fine. Salts will and do build up if you feed alot but actually checking and knowing what your runoff ppm is meaningless.
 
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