OMG - They're saying we'll poison children and drive stoned now!

veggiegardener

Well-Known Member
SB420 was over ruled because once a prop is passed it CAN'T be changed without voter approval.

prop 19 can NOT be fixed later. it is what it is.
And that's the rub.

Few voters understand the legal system well enough to see the dangers built into P19.

They don't understand that an omission can be more damning than a poorly written sentence.

They don't see how Propositions interact with Legislative laws.

The 25 sq. ft. limit is not limited. It applies to everyone, medical or not, without SPECIFIC language exempting us.

It isn't there, regardless of the shill's assurances to the contrary.

No on P19.
 

justlearning73

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Veggie not trying to be a prick just asking is all. So because it is not to your liking you want to keep it away from eveyone? Now granted i dont live in Cali and havent for almost 37 years. I was born in Conoga Park. I agree prop 19 isnt wrote out the best, but it would make pot legal. Which just like what happened in Cali with 215, if it is made legal it will spread across the states. I would think this is a good thing for our cause. After all dont we want to end prohibition?
 

TokinPodPilot

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Veggie not trying to be a prick just asking is all. So because it is not to your liking you want to keep it away from eveyone? Now granted i dont live in Cali and havent for almost 37 years. I was born in Conoga Park. I agree prop 19 isnt wrote out the best, but it would make pot legal. Which just like what happened in Cali with 215, if it is made legal it will spread across the states. I would think this is a good thing for our cause. After all dont we want to end prohibition?
Nothing stops other states from enacting medical cannabis statutes or cannabis decriminalization statutes NOW. It's been 35 years since CA decriminalized possession for non-medical purposes and less than 15 other states have followed suit. Commercialization is never a good thing except for investors and the oligopolistic few to whom the bulk of the industry profits will funnel to.
 

justlearning73

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Tokin-that is true. The rest of the world is waiting to see what happenes in cali. I just think legal is a good thing over all. Trust me if it was being done in texas I would vote yes. The feds will start to come down on Cali and that would be a good thing in my opion. It gets it out there and we might finally get the Feds to get the hell out of the states buisness. To me the growers voting no, are no better than the cartels and goverment that want to shoot this down. It to me seems to be a freaking money issue. We need to get past this and move on with getting it legal then we can work out specs. Untill then a lot of people go to jail, lawyers, cartels, growers and goverment make money. So so sad.
 

veggiegardener

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Tokin-that is true. The rest of the world is waiting to see what happenes in cali. I just think legal is a good thing over all. Trust me if it was being done in texas I would vote yes. The feds will start to come down on Cali and that would be a good thing in my opion. It gets it out there and we might finally get the Feds to get the hell out of the states buisness. To me the growers voting no, are no better than the cartels and goverment that want to shoot this down. It to me seems to be a freaking money issue. We need to get past this and move on with getting it legal then we can work out specs. Untill then a lot of people go to jail, lawyers, cartels, growers and goverment make money. So so sad.
So in your view, it's OK if I get screwed, for the greater good?

So, if killing you is for the greater good, you're OK with that? Cannabis has kept my wife alive for over 20 years. Withdrawing it WOULD kill her. I can't provide for her needs, in 25 sq. ft.)

So, NO on P19, because I won't support a Proposition that damages ME and MINE.

There are MANY people out there, like us.

NO on P19.
 

justlearning73

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Veggie, lets not get over dramitic. So when this was completely illeagal you didnt grow or buy for your wife? What did you do before 215? To answer your question yes I would take a step back for the greater good going forward. As far as I can tell those voting no on prop 19 are no better than the people who first starting the prohibition in the first place, or those that are set to make a profit off prop 19 dieing. Seems like a bunch of stingy, greedy people that think I got mine FU!! The problem with that attitude is that once we are divided we will fall. How long till they come to take away what you have now. If we do not move forward we will fall behind. This makes me very sad to see this.....Veggie please do not take this personal i am not attacking you. You are intitaled to you opinion.
 

TokinPodPilot

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Tokin-that is true. The rest of the world is waiting to see what happenes in cali.
The rest of the world needs to take care of itself and not rely on any one entity to bear the burden of progress. In addition, there are more than enough precedent cases of decriminalization and legalization already, so your argument that the world is just waiting for California to lead the way is fallacious at best.
I just think legal is a good thing over all.
If this were a legalization bill, it would be a good thing. But it's not. It's a commercialization and regulation bill. We're doing just fine getting rid of existing oppressive criminal cannabis laws, we don't need more.

Trust me if it was being done in texas I would vote yes. The feds will start to come down on Cali and that would be a good thing in my opion. It gets it out there and we might finally get the Feds to get the hell out of the states buisness.
This doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Especially given the nature and context of the other fucked up worthless propositions on California's ballot being funded by Texas-based interests. If you like the bill so much, please, get it passed in your state and you be the one to challenge the feds on recreational use. You can bear the burden of jail and court battles for once, instead of whining about how hard it is because your state is so backwards. I'm just glad you aren't here to screw up our state, personally.

To me the growers voting no, are no better than the cartels and goverment that want to shoot this down. It to me seems to be a freaking money issue. We need to get past this and move on with getting it legal then we can work out specs. Untill then a lot of people go to jail, lawyers, cartels, growers and goverment make money. So so sad.
And to me, the ones getting ready to vote yes despite the fact that they admit there are major flaws in the language and prospective execution of the bill are hypocrites for ostracizing growers for looking out for their personal interests. They're voting yes precisely for their own personal benefit, be it to "finally have their legal grow" or for their own personal false sense of "safety" or because they've actually bought the proponent byline that it's about stopping people from going to jail. Those of you on the outside "watching California" are urging a yes vote for your own selfish reasons in hoping it affects some sort of change that you can't be arsed to put in the effort to gain for yourselves. Prop. 19 doesn't give you anymore opportunity to fight for and/or gain progress in your own state and any assertion otherwise is just an excuse. What's really sad is stoners acting out the damn stereotype in not gaining anything for themselves because it requires effort. We in California have already gotten past the initial hurdles of decriminalization. If you want the same, YOU need to get past this and move on with getting it legal.
 

luvourmother

Active Member
assembly bills do not over ride propositions. refer to SB420 and the supreme courts ruling. ;)
Lesson in Government needed here....

the reason senate bill 420 was overruled is because of the limits it defined were in conflict with 215 (CUA)

here is how we amend the constitution in CA, pay attention to section 1:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_18

ABX6 9 will not "over ride" 19, it simply amends it and unlike SB420 was with 215, ABX6 9 is not in conflict with 19.
 

Kindwoman

Member
the "experiment" did nothing to show the public what they really want to know: What would responsible adult use look like, and would it change our culture significantly?

but instead of real information they put on a circus, and i wonder why none of the adults chosen to participate did nothing to make it more realistic, like, say waiting before you drive after you smoke, at least 45 minutes? What they wanted to do was paint a picture in the voter's minds and they got the media to walk right along with them as they propagated their agenda of lies and deceit to insure their kids college funds.

and tonight i saw them saying that we'd poison children by "accidently" giving them marijuana candies that weren't labelled correctly. They still cost and arm and a leg, and no one's letting that candy get mixed into the halloween stuff, this is just rediculous and shamefull what they're doing.
I saw that on Friday. That big dog cop standing over a table full of edibles. I'm sure (without a doubt) that those edibles were confiscated from some poor dispensary owner. Yeah, like I'm going to throw my expensive cookies into some kids bag. Are you kidding me? :wall:
 
So, it's late nite 11-2-10, the results are in, Prop. 19 is defeated 52% to 48. Now what do you think happens? Will everything stay the same in your marijuana universe? Will the conservative "take-back" of america leave medical marijuana alone.?
 

beardo

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Although I voted no, I'm amazed at how bad the ads are against P19.
why didn't they just go through the prop and point out it's flaws, the problems that it could create? I saw some ads and heard debates against 19 and the arguments were retarded refer madness stuff,- teenagers might try marijuana, it's a gateway drug, people will drive high.
 

veggiegardener

Well-Known Member
Veggie, lets not get over dramitic. So when this was completely illeagal you didnt grow or buy for your wife? What did you do before 215? To answer your question yes I would take a step back for the greater good going forward. As far as I can tell those voting no on prop 19 are no better than the people who first starting the prohibition in the first place, or those that are set to make a profit off prop 19 dieing. Seems like a bunch of stingy, greedy people that think I got mine FU!! The problem with that attitude is that once we are divided we will fall. How long till they come to take away what you have now. If we do not move forward we will fall behind. This makes me very sad to see this.....Veggie please do not take this personal i am not attacking you. You are intitaled to you opinion.
Yes, I grew illegally for over a decade.

I DON'T want to go there again, but I should for YOUR sake?

Yes, I have "mine" and I payed a high price for it.

I don't sell because I have enough to deal with without complications.

I know many growers who do sell, and they do a good job providing high quality meds to their friends at far lower prices than can be found in the "compassionate" dispensaries.

Those of us that have been involved for several decades owe nothing to the young stoners claiming we should make sacrifices for "the greater good".

If you get caught, pay your $100 fine and move on.(That's the way it is, in California.

I'm supposed to go to prison(if I am arrested for my 300 sq. ft.) so YOU can avoid a FINE?

I've spent a lot of time over the last month or two, trying to make my issues clear.

I've been accused of all sorts of things.

Whether P19 passes or fails, I'll be growing 300 sq. ft. next year.

BTW, "over dramatic" suggests I'm exaggerating.

Not according my wife's doctors. One wrote her recommendation, and the others are wondering why she's still kicking.
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
So, it's late nite 11-2-10, the results are in, Prop. 19 is defeated 52% to 48. Now what do you think happens? Will everything stay the same in your marijuana universe? Will the conservative "take-back" of america leave medical marijuana alone.?
I think the DEA will make a big fuss, the attorney general will make a big fuss and sputter about "supremacy". Over the next few months the DEA will arrest some people for growing/selling. In other words it will all be pretty much as is it is now.
 

justlearning73

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Veggie-I was refering to your statement "So, if killing you is for the greater good, you're OK with that?" I mean no offence to you or your wife. I took it the wrong way. I have no idea what your ills are. You are intitled to your opinion. Sorry to have bothered you.
 

MrStickyScissors

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prop 19 isnt going to pass. its behind. mark my fucking words that gay ass prop will not pass. I hate prop 19 with a passion. call me greedy or whatever thats what the fuck I do for a living is grow dank. now I can only grow in a 5x5 lol yeah right
 

Dan Kone

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If prop 19 passes the first thing I'm going to do is get stoned and drive around looking for children to poison.
 
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