People are missing the BIG picture with Prop 19

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Needofweed said:
What the fuck you going to sit there and tell me to move out of my country who the fuck are you, come over here and make me. I dont sell weed and never have and could give a fuck less of big marijuana. You,ve realy crossed the line telling someone to move out of america because thier beliefs are differnt than yours.I got way more respect for the little man selling weed on the streets even if it is illegal or if his product is overpriced vs. fucking Corporatocracy. You going to say that just because something is the way it is it ok. Ill alway fight bigbuseniss and bid government for as long as they exist.People say that corporate-government is "The American way" yeah and look were we as a country are because of it.Im tired of polititions saying they will fight for the little man when they'er running for office then they get elected and big business puts them in there back pocket.I am a part of and will always support to the fullest small business.I work for a small hydro shop and 90% of the custumers who buy from us are small marijuana business people and they'ev voiced there opinion on prop 19 and I would say that about 90% of them say there going to vote no because its going to put them out of business.Even NORML says that if prop 19 passes it will definitely put small "mom and pop" growers out of business. These people support me buy buying from my place of work so I am definitely
going to support them buy also VOTING NO.
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So basically your reason for opposing legalization is the fact that corporations exist? Odd reason to support prohibition.

And yes a lisence to sell will be outrageously expensive,the Ca government is trying to make 1.4 billion dollors a year of this shit.
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Every county will be different. Some places will have outrageous permit costs, some will be very affordable. The most efficient way for local governments to make money is not through high permit costs, but to have low permit costs with a tax at the point of sale.
 
im not prohibited to smoke grow or have mj.

I just dont like big government or big business.Any thing I can do to piss of or stop big business or big government ill do. I mean this prop was written for them they just threw that 5x5 grow your own area to entice people to vote yes and they know people would gorw there own anyways cause they already do.
Plus 19 threatens my job(and know im not a drug dealer I work at a hydro supply store).
 
I love debating,and people have been saying that this prop was going to be a huge source of debate.
And if it passes it is going to creat the biggest economical battelfield between small and large business that this country has seen in a very long time. Cant wait to see how things turn out either way.
 
Needofweed said:
I just dont like big government or big business.Any thing I can do to piss of or stop big business or big government ill do.
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Your not doing that. Your protecting the profits of one big business at the expense of another. Nothing more.

There is now, and always has been big cannabis businesses. It's nothing new.

Plus 19 threatens my job(and know im not a drug dealer I work at a hydro supply store).
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So allowing millions of people the legal use of the products you're selling threatens your job? lol
 
Needofweed said:
What the fuck you going to sit there and tell me to move out of my country who the fuck are you, come over here and make me. I dont sell weed and never have and could give a fuck less of big marijuana. You,ve realy crossed the line telling someone to move out of america because thier beliefs are differnt than yours.I got way more respect for the little man selling weed on the streets even if it is illegal or if his product is overpriced vs. fucking Corporatocracy. You going to say that just because something is the way it is it ok. Ill alway fight bigbuseniss and bid government for as long as they exist.People say that corporate-government is "The American way" yeah and look were we as a country are because of it.Im tired of polititions saying they will fight for the little man when they'er running for office then they get elected and big business puts them in there back pocket.I am a part of and will always support to the fullest small business.I work for a small hydro shop and 90% of the custumers who buy from us are small marijuana business people and they'ev voiced there opinion on prop 19 and I would say that about 90% of them say there going to vote no because its going to put them out of business.Even NORML says that if prop 19 passes it will definitely put small "mom and pop" growers out of business. These people support me buy buying from my place of work so I am definitely
going to support them buy also VOTING NO.

And yes a lisence to sell will be outrageously expensive,the Ca government is trying to make 1.4 billion dollors a year of this shit.
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You can live in the land of make believe all you want guy.. I just suggested that if you hate big business so much then you might want to consider moving away because everything around you is pretty much controlled by it. Wall street controls congress.. do I like this ?? NO! But legalizing Mary is a good thing and one way or another money is going to change hands.. certain funding programs are going to cease to exist. You obviously have a shady agenda here.. and yes I am accusing you of lying or I think you are kinda dumb... sorry for insulting you but thats just how I feel. I am using reason and logic while you are hiding behind "oh noooezz!! big business is going to take over marijuana and prices are gonna go sky high and the sky starts falling"... no you are misguided at best.
 
Yeah yeah yeah here we go again with the sky shit.like I said before Ill see you at the polls oh wait no I wont cause your in New England.
And one other thing Ill hate this country as much as I wont and still live here it my right given to me by the constitution not you or the government or businesses so fuck off.
Im done with this thead im going to lean how to grow better weed it been fun.
 
Needofweed - "19 threatens my job(and know im not a drug dealer I work at a hydro supply store)."

Now we have true motive.

Capitalism none the less. LOL!
(private ownership of the means of production, creation of goods or services for profit in a market, and prices and wages are elements of capitalism)
 
SB Garlic said:
lol once weed is legal, business for a local hydro store will increase greatly.
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That's the hilarious part about his posts. He thinks legalizing will hurt business. lol

If MORE people can legally grow ... MORE people will buy supplies to grow. How he thinks more people buying supplies from his company will hurt him is beyond me.


One thing is for sure ... I want what he's smoking. (Then again ... maybe not)
 
im not prohibited to smoke grow or have mj.
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Well as long as you're protected I guess everyone else who currently is getting in legal trouble for having cannabis doesn't count. You've got yours, that's all that matters.

Needofweed said:
Plus 19 threatens my job(and know im not a drug dealer I work at a hydro supply store).
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All your anti-corporation objections are kind of meaningless now that you've confessed that the real reason you don't like prop 19 is because you think it threatens the corporation you work for. I guess every corporation in California is evil, expect of course if they employ you. Who cares about corporations that employ other people, you've got yours so too bad for everyone else.
 
miteubhi? said:
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While "just be quite" and "you're still a moron" are very compelling arguments, I think I'm going to have to decline your invitation to be quite.

No one is stealing from anyone. You're just trying to scare people into supporting prohibition.
 
I was under the impression this was a marijuana site and not an anti-corporation forum.

"Corporations man ... they're bad man ... corporations are evil man" What kind of neo anti-social hippie world are some of you people living in? And what does all of that have to do with continuing to put people in jail for marijuana?

Good grief ..
 
Being in Ca, I was reading this thread looking for more information about prop 19. While no one wants to see big Pharma or large scale Walmart growers squeeze out the people who have already been part of mj for so long, I think any action taken out of fear is questionable. As a medical m user here I might think that things are ok, but that isn't really the case. Federal DEA agents just raided the first so called legal medical grower in Medicino county and in Colorado too. I hate the idea of an extra tax, if its medicine, then they should tax all medicine. Even if prop 19 passes, its only one step.
I think we have to remember, we don't really have much control over how all the details will play out. When we vote we usually get to choose only between the lesser of two evils. But at least we have an opportunity to vote for legalization!! Thats a pretty big deal. We can tell the rest of America to take a look at the future. Just think of all the people in jail for weed across the US, how they will smile when they read its gonna be legal in California.The guy who works at the hydro store doesn't make sense. His sales will go up.
I don't hear any valid reason to vote against it here. Paranoia isn't a valid reason. Decriminalization would be my preference rather than tax, but greed may be the only way to get there.
 
miteubhi? said:
Why involve government at all?

"Think for yourself, question authority"-Timothy Leary
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Exactly, but idiots still bash Libertarianism on this site. You only cut your own throat when you do so. All I wanna do is grow a little fucking weed for my own use (be it for medical or recreational use, matters not). That's my fucking business. I ain't out trying to sell no weed to little kids (or anyone for that matter), so why does the government want to dictate what I do in the privacy of my own home. Don't let these cocksucking, life leaching bastard politician fucks run our lives anymore. As far as I know, we still hold the key to this big ole machine. Fucking politicians and anyone involved in law enforcement (for the most part) are a bunch of fucking crooks who want to dictate and control other people's lives. It's a sad piece of shit human being that aspires to do so. If I ain't hurting anyone....LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE!
 
danno48 said:
Exactly, but idiots still bash Libertarianism on this site. You only cut your own throat when you do so. All I wanna do is grow a little fucking weed for my own use (be it for medical or recreational use, matters not). That's my fucking business. I ain't out trying to sell no weed to little kids (or anyone for that matter), so why does the government want to dictate what I do in the privacy of my own home. Don't let these cocksucking, life leaching bastard politician fucks run our lives anymore. As far as I know, we still hold the key to this big ole machine. Fucking politicians and anyone involved in law enforcement (for the most part) are a bunch of fucking crooks who want to dictate and control other people's lives. It's a sad piece of shit human being that aspires to do so. If I ain't hurting anyone....LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE!
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I consider myself a moderate libertarian .... But Libertarians are STILL a political party under the umbrella of government. Government has always been and always will be a part of society. I pretty much agree with what you said , besides perhaps law enforcement. Like everything in the world ... you have good cops and bad cops. Ultimately it is their job to enforce laws ... they don't make them.

Prop 19 gives power back to the PEOPLE to legalize and regulate marijuana the way they see fit within their own city.
 
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