Please some help trying to grow my plants!

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arrigonfr

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Hello, I hope I’m posting in the right room. See, the thing is I’m still a cannabis growing newbie.
My first plant was an auto amnesia xxl.
I’m not trying to grow a Northern Light and a Royal Cookies (Feminized, not Auto).

Here you can see my little babies, I was leaving for work when I took this photo, when I came back to plant them they were already about 1/4 longer.
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After I planted them (I use BioBizz substrate in 11L pots), 2 days later I noticed that the northern lights was already showing the cotyledons and 2 little tiny leaves. However my Royal Cookies didn’t show anything, even now (day 4), so I’m thinking maybe I should give her up.

Moving on: my beautiful little Northern Lights, now at day 4, I decided to move her to my indoor tent (24”x24”x63”) with an Apollo Evolution 6 LED, a little fan and an extractor.
I moved her in before leaving for work and sprayed her with some water with a PH of 6.5.

I come home to find this (photo taken outside tent because apparently she didn’t like it so I moved her out again):
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And now I’m wondering: Did I move her to the tent too soon? Did I kill her? Is it possible that by leaving her outside a few days she’ll start growing again?

Please, I really need some help here!
 
Headgrinder

Headgrinder

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Seedlings can be tough. I have seen them do some crazy stuff. Usually when they have a hard time poppin the seeds or getting rid of that film, I mist them with water as often as possible. Sometimes they just need a bit of time. I have had the most trouble with my nl5 and a nl5xnl1. If the base of the seedling is looking rough, put a little dirt up to but dont cover the seed leaves, and give them plenty of sunlight. I have had my best luck with planting the seeds from paper towel once the emerging root is 1/4"-1". But some times those roots grow so fast.
 
G.I.JOSE

G.I.JOSE

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Your best bet is to start a grow Journal, that way the people that are wanting to help you can review your past history kind of like a doctor would need a history of your medical records to make a correct diagnosis. Also in a journal individuals will be able to follow you like myself and help coach you as you post up updates pictures of problems or sucsess. And lastly when you do another grow you have a baseline you can compare it to on this forum.

Now to help you out with your problem, your plant goes into a kind of shock from a lot of different factors. Temperature outside the amount of UV rays on the plant and of course the abundance of oxygen. My suggestion would be to choose to keep her in one environment. At least till she is past the "seedling " phase. She will heal and grow. Smart move in putting her indoors. If and when you do choose to start a grow Journal please let me know I'd be happy to help and follow along. Cheers!
 
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arrigonfr

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@Headgrinder
@G.I.JOSE

Well guys, it’s been just a few hours since I started this thread. I thank you for answering, but the way I see it, my northern lights has died.

I this photo about 2 hours ago, it’s even worse now.
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I will start over, this time with a Mexican Sativa and a Bubba’s Gift. They’re already in the tupper.

But just to be sure this time, which option should I go for:
1. Planting them and putting them in the tent so they’re used to it from the beginning?
2. Planting them, letting them outside for a few weeks and then moving them to the tent?
 
PURPLEB3RRYKUSH

PURPLEB3RRYKUSH

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arrigonfr said:
@Headgrinder
@G.I.JOSE

Well guys, it’s been just a few hours since I started this thread. I thank you for answering, but the way I see it, my northern lights has died.

I this photo about 2 hours ago, it’s even worse now.
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I will start over, this time with a Mexican Sativa and a Bubba’s Gift. They’re already in the tupper.

But just to be sure this time, which option should I go for:
1. Planting them and putting them in the tent so they’re used to it from the beginning?
2. Planting them, letting them outside for a few weeks and then moving them to the tent?
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root rot 2 much water
 
Headgrinder

Headgrinder

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Dont give up on. Try burying it up to the leaves. Make sure your soil is not water logged. Its not dead yet. Plant it deep like this and put it close to the lights and make sure there is some air cirulation (just a little). Sorry about the picture. My artist skills are embarrassing, but its still alive. It just needs some neonatal care.15825978640421604522431596011266.jpg
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Too wet. And that paper towel method is a waste of time. Had you put that seed in damp soil it would have likely made it. The seed has enough stored energy to break out of the shell and send out a tap root. That's best done in the growing media. Those germinated seeds have already used a majority of that energy so what you're doing is burying a tired and energy depleted seedling in a soggy swamp when that tap root could already have been several inches growing down into the soil.

I plant straight into soil and get 99.9% germination. These seedlings were straight into soil, 100% germination, and roots showing through the holes in the bottom of the nursery pots in 5 days. I know people are stuck on paper towels but as often as I ask I have never had anyone give a reason for using damp paper towels over just germinating in damp soil, coco, rapid rooter, etc... What purpose does the unnecessary handling of a seedling serve? I would really like to find out. What is the logic behind it? How does it help the seedling?


 
xtsho

xtsho

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Headgrinder said:
Dont give up on. Try burying it up to the leaves. Make sure your soil is not water logged. Its not dead yet. Plant it deep like this and put it close to the lights and make sure there is some air cirulation (just a little). Sorry about the picture. My artist skills are embarrassing, but its still alive. It just needs some neonatal care.View attachment 4488314
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That seedling looks done. It's damping off.

 
Headgrinder

Headgrinder

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xtsho said:
Too wet. And that paper towel method is a waste of time. Had you put that seed in damp soil it would have likely made it. The seed has enough stored energy to break out of the shell and send out a tap root. That's best done in the growing media. Those germinated seeds have already used a majority of that energy so what you're doing is burying a tired and energy depleted seedling in a soggy swamp when that tap root could already have been several inches growing down into the soil.

I plant straight into soil and get 99.9% germination. These seedlings were straight into soil, 100% germination, and roots showing through the holes in the bottom of the nursery pots in 5 days. I know people are stuck on paper towels but as often as I ask I have never had anyone give a reason for using damp paper towels over just germinating in damp soil, coco, rapid rooter, etc... What purpose does the unnecessary handling of a seedling serve? I would really like to find out. What is the logic behind it? How does it help the seedling?


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You are right and you have nice seedlings. I have had problems getting old or questionable seeds to sprout like yours in soil. Paper towels can be 100% too, but your right, the tap root gets crooked from the start. I have a seedling that pushed up but the stem just turned green and it never popped off the shell. I thought it a loss so i carefully removed the shell to see a meaty looking pair of seed leaves that didnt develop after 3 days. I then split that seed head and took half off while somehow managing to not damage to grow tip in between. After two days the growth tip emerged and it is still alive. I probably just saved some really sluggish genetics. I guess should have been a surgeon.
 
G.I.JOSE

G.I.JOSE

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The idea behind germination before planting is cutting the time it takes for the seedling to push out of the medium. Now you would know for sure that the seed has sprouted before you put it in the medium. That's the idea anyway
 
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arrigonfr

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G.I.JOSE said:
The idea behind germination before planting is cutting the time it takes for the seedling to push out of the medium. Now you would know for sure that the seed has sprouted before you put it in the medium. That's the idea anyway
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I’ll be checking out your journal. Actually, I started looking at it before I replied, I see you germinated, put then in the plastic cups and right into the tent from scratch. That’s nice to know and makes sense, I’ll use the tent this time.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Headgrinder said:
You are right and you have nice seedlings. I have had problems getting old or questionable seeds to sprout like yours in soil. Paper towels can be 100% too, but your right, the tap root gets crooked from the start. I have a seedling that pushed up but the stem just turned green and it never popped off the shell. I thought it a loss so i carefully removed the shell to see a meaty looking pair of seed leaves that didnt develop after 3 days. I then split that seed head and took half off while somehow managing to not damage to grow tip in between. After two days the growth tip emerged and it is still alive. I probably just saved some really sluggish genetics. I guess should have been a surgeon.
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For older seeds a soak overnight is a good idea. But after that, paper towel or soil. If the seed's going to germinate it will do it in either. Better it be where the energy it uses is used to immediately start growing it's roots.





G.I.JOSE said:
The idea behind germination before planting is cutting the time it takes for the seedling to push out of the medium. Now you would know for sure that the seed has sprouted before you put it in the medium. That's the idea anyway
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How does it cut any time? Plant the seed 1/8" to 1/4" in soil. And let it sprout. It takes more time fooling around with a paper towel, germinating and then planting. Had the seed have been sprouted in soil it would have already cracked the surface.

The reason the paper towel method is used so much and never questioned is because most breeders and seed bank that give instructions tell people to do it that way. They don't tell them because it's the best way. They tell them to do it that way so the customer will actually see that the seed germinated and was viable. That way the customer can't say "I planted it and it didn't grow". Had the OP tried to germinate the seed directly in that sopping wet swamp it would not have germinated even though the seed was viable. It would have drowned. Now the customer can't blame the provider for their mistake because the seed was obviously viable. What happens after that is on the grower. But even as simple as it is people will kill a seed before it has a chance to germinate by environmental conditions that they control.
 
Headgrinder

Headgrinder

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xtsho said:
For older seeds a soak overnight is a good idea. But after that, paper towel or soil. If the seed's going to germinate it will do it in either. Better it be where the energy it uses is used to immediately start growing it's roots.







How does it cut any time? Plant the seed 1/8" to 1/4" in soil. And let it sprout. It takes more time fooling around with a paper towel, germinating and then planting. Had the seed have been sprouted in soil it would have already cracked the surface.

The reason the paper towel method is used so much and never questioned is because most breeders and seed bank that give instructions tell people to do it that way. They don't tell them because it's the best way. They tell them to do it that way so the customer will actually see that the seed germinated and was viable. That way the customer can't say "I planted it and it didn't grow". Had the OP tried to germinate the seed directly in that sopping wet swamp it would not have germinated even though the seed was viable. It would have drowned. Now the customer can't blame the provider for their mistake because the seed was obviously viable. What happens after that is on the grower. But even as simple as it is people will kill a seed before it has a chance to germinate by environmental conditions that they control.
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Your seedlings are seriously awesome. One rhetorical question: If seed banks told the customers to gerninate in soil and soil is 99.9% sucessfull the customers would have been plenty satisfied. I've done a little of both. With fresh seeds, 1 or 2 years old they will pop out of the soil or bust threw the paper towels with green seed leaves exposed. Older seeds can be trickier. But the most important thing is that the grower can sprout them the right way. If they didn't mist or water their soil to keep those seeds wet, or put the seeds too deep, the germination will still be near 0, But just having that straight tap root is reason enough to use soil. And seed germination is just as varied as the plants they produce. Props to your 100% soil germination. Those are definately happy plants. You definatly know your soil germination.
 
raggyb

raggyb

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arrigonfr said:
Hello, I hope I’m posting in the right room. See, the thing is I’m still a cannabis growing newbie.
My first plant was an auto amnesia xxl.
I’m not trying to grow a Northern Light and a Royal Cookies (Feminized, not Auto).

Here you can see my little babies, I was leaving for work when I took this photo, when I came back to plant them they were already about 1/4 longer.
View attachment 4488089

After I planted them (I use BioBizz substrate in 11L pots), 2 days later I noticed that the northern lights was already showing the cotyledons and 2 little tiny leaves. However my Royal Cookies didn’t show anything, even now (day 4), so I’m thinking maybe I should give her up.

Moving on: my beautiful little Northern Lights, now at day 4, I decided to move her to my indoor tent (24”x24”x63”) with an Apollo Evolution 6 LED, a little fan and an extractor.
I moved her in before leaving for work and sprayed her with some water with a PH of 6.5.

I come home to find this (photo taken outside tent because apparently she didn’t like it so I moved her out again):
View attachment 4488098
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And now I’m wondering: Did I move her to the tent too soon? Did I kill her? Is it possible that by leaving her outside a few days she’ll start growing again?

Please, I really need some help here!
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yeah i just don't like that extra wait time while the seed is under and i can't check what it's doing. i'm learning to pop extras so i have enough of the same size and i'm willing to sacrifice a few if i end up with too many for my space. but when i started it was like every seed is precious so i didn't allow for losses which became a prob because i wind up popping more later and i have plants of all different sizes. and you could just use cfl's 2-4 inches away to start em. it shouldn't matter if its in your tent. how's your humidity? best to keep it up for starting. but i second soil looks too wet.
 
70's natureboy

70's natureboy

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Your root tail was too long when you planted it. The soil may have been too wet but shouldn't be that critical. You could have used a baggie or cut off coke bottle for a mini greenhouse if your humidity is low. They only need flourescent light when they are small. good luck next time.
 
Igrow420365

Igrow420365

Member
xtsho said:
Too wet. And that paper towel method is a waste of time. Had you put that seed in damp soil it would have likely made it. The seed has enough stored energy to break out of the shell and send out a tap root. That's best done in the growing media. Those germinated seeds have already used a majority of that energy so what you're doing is burying a tired and energy depleted seedling in a soggy swamp when that tap root could already have been several inches growing down into the soil.

I plant straight into soil and get 99.9% germination. These seedlings were straight into soil, 100% germination, and roots showing through the holes in the bottom of the nursery pots in 5 days. I know people are stuck on paper towels but as often as I ask I have never had anyone give a reason for using damp paper towels over just germinating in damp soil, coco, rapid rooter, etc... What purpose does the unnecessary handling of a seedling serve? I would really like to find out. What is the logic behind it? How does it help the seedling?


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I personally believe it just depends on the seed, environment & grower. I’ve germinated every seed using the paper towel method and haven’t had any issues. No real purpose in using this method it just works for some of us. My next batch i’ll try put it directly in the soil.
Here’s a time lapse of my seedling I recently sprouted.

 
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