Scotch's Deep Water LED's, Multi Strain Space Adventure! (Ie. Thought consolidation)

Scotch089 · Dec 23, 2013

Ahhh shit, there goes psu again. Thanks fellas, the more and more I think about it the more and more I think it is the 200- just drawing less than I had initially thought it would. Box was labeled w/ the model#

I looked on the SDS I have and it says 2.1V on 110. Now, im a little shady at the whole array designing shindig and stuff... but 2.1V x sayyy 700mA (for "3w" emitters) gives you 1.47w/chip, x120 emitters=176w, Rob at AT said they drive their emitters "to the max," with their heatsinks, ((omg I am going to have to try and get a picture of how tall the fins are on that thing)).

But say 2.1(V) x .650(mA)= 1.365/emitter x 120 (pcs.)= 163.8w, +fans?

I really love this panel, too sweet. I went ahead and tried one the wider lenses, took about 10 minutes to swap out- 6 screws per case, I like that they have their lenses molded for cases like a Changeout, looks like the heatsink and back of the panel would come right off too, but no way im fucking with it.

I noticed my readings with the wider lenses are not in my favor, if you were restricted on headroom, (like <16" to plant) they'd be perfect- spreads sooo consistent inside a 2x2' square, but you can get the same spread and higher intensity with the more narrow lenses at higher points. It's fun to play with, but those 14's are the place to be.

I did tidy things up once I got home, rearranged how I had the panel hung, went down to two ratchets instead of 4. I have the panel running to get the tent up to temp, and hopefully come the end of the week I will have my packages from Greners (with the extra airstones) and can move the ladies in prep for 12/12.

Started germing that Sour Kush too so that will be a little sideshow to the AT/SLH run.

**Bare with me and I will upload some more pics shortly**

EDIT: Yea puff the right SPD is the SGS', I have the AW and R1 too if you want em.

Scotch089 · Dec 23, 2013

Here's some readings of just core at 18 24 36", little shy of what I was expecting but still well within range to not worry about (<100umol diff.)

Now that I have figured out how to hang the panel I REALLY like the hanging bracket, now it basically levels itself one direction..

EDIT: btw how do you cool kids link your thread with text inside your Sig? (w/out the URL)

Spiko · Dec 23, 2013

Scotch089 said:
EDIT: btw how do you cool kids link your thread with text inside your Sig? (w/out the URL)

Go to the place where you can edit your sig and highlight your text then hit the link button. That will bring up a window where you put what you want your text to link to.

PetFlora · Dec 24, 2013

Hey perhaps you can help.

I had to open 2 windows

1. highlight the text
2. highlight the url

How do I eliminate a step?

Thanks

Spiko said:
Go to the place where you can edit your sig and highlight your text then hit the link button. That will bring up a window where you put what you want your text to link to.

Spiko · Dec 24, 2013

Linking in your signature works the same way as linking in the forum. See the button directly to the right of the smiley face? After you have typed what you want your signature to say highlight the text then hit the button to the right of the smiley face. There in the box labled URL put in the URL of whatever you want the text to link to. then hit okay.

Scotch089 · Dec 26, 2013

Hope every one has enjoyed their holiday, our's is coming to a slow close. Cleaning up the house and taking out all that trash...

I did find some time tonight to finally move the ladies, and the show is on.

(all wires routed and set up) I will be setting up my meter and seeing what the whole system is driving all together, including that hoss of a pump (80w)

But it is moving some SERIOUS air through x4 airstones, I ordered x6 of those "air strip hoses," you know, the black ones that have little holes. Yea, I thought I may be able to find some "suction clips" and post em along the outer rim of the res'. As long as ive got the headroom, why not? the four stones I have going now go turbulent, constantly moving my aquarium heaters and making sure to have a steady grip on the TDS pen.

I have read articles saying higher O2 levels will let you run ppm's lower. How much lower- Pfffffhh. Hell if I know

Ladies got a fresh res change @620ppm (x2)
Equal parts gave me a 6.1PH without ANY chem adjustments, I love that.

@6.34 gallons
12ml Protekt
12ml MagPro
12ml Gro
12ml FulPower
6ml Bloom

Some root shots, doing well with no media so far.

^^^This lady is the runt of the bunch (front right), but look at those legs catching up :weed:

Dont know why the color balance came out like this but here are some shots before they got settled in.

I kept the light where I had it at 28" from the screens (~30" from the kids) and delivering anywhere from 220-370umol right now, we are doing an 18/6 cycle till the flip.

Be safe every one!!

MrFlux · Dec 26, 2013

Did you try a reading with all lenses removed. For your situation with four reflecting walls at close range this could give a better spread and perhaps more light on the plants.

Scotch089 · Dec 27, 2013

MrFlux said:
Did you try a reading with all lenses removed. For your situation with four reflecting walls at close range this could give a better spread and perhaps more light on the plants.

Ehhh flux, glad to see you stop in. I had not thought of seeing what the readings were, I will scope that out some time during my vacation. When I had swapped out the lenses I immediately noticed how small the emitters were compared to others I have seen in the past.. close to half. I will try and post some readings when I get in to it, I have put off the charts with the tykes shooting through the screen soon.

"Update"
-The Sour Kush has not taken, it has been a while and I am thinking shes not going to sprout if she hasnt already. I have two RW cubes ph'd and ready, I am thinking to throw down the LA Woman and see what that is about. I have ran SQ through veg, but I am looking for something a little different right now. Since the kush didnt take I am contemplating placing an order on a few strains I have had in the back of my mind (I see a few of tga's and RP's stuff I would really like to run).

-Ladies are reaching for the sky, I did give them another spray of Kelp/CaMg+/Ful. tonght, about two hours before lights out but temps are cool right now.

-Annnnd I finally called greners and found out what the fuck is up with my order, placed it on the 20th. Just shipped today. -_- 'bout told them to not worry about it, but the payment was confirmed last week!

Ill try and toss up some pictures before too long, I did lay down the screens, toss in my Hydrofarm 6" and am currently battling RH. So if anyone has a good insight on lowering it (w/out a 1080w Dehum.) please chime in.

Greengenes707 · Dec 27, 2013

Things are looking great.

I voted for la woman but take it back. I thought it was (la con x wonder woman).

RP and TGA are great. RP's Kandy kush is one of my all time bean favorites.

Scotch089 · Dec 28, 2013

Greengenes707 said:
Things are looking great.

I voted for la woman but take it back. I thought it was (la con x wonder woman).

RP and TGA are great. RP's Kandy kush is one of my all time bean favorites.

Thanks G, I am looking forward to how this run turns out. I am down to the last of my freebies and I am bummed the SK didnt take. The La Woman sounds like it is going to be a mystery egg and the rest of my freebies Im not too pumped about. Really pushing me towards placing an order before too long..

The ones sticking with me over the past couple days:

-Rp's Purple Wreck
-Rp's Sour Kush
-Tga's Plushberry
-Next Gen's GrapeGod
-Serious' Kali Mist (on the bucket list, though I am reading that its not the original anymore...)
-Tga's Cheese Quake (querk x cheese, distinct pheno's)
-Dev. H's Shoreline

I will be narrowing this down to probably half by the end of it all and changing my mind here and there.

The ladies are doing fine, I was finally able to get the temps up to ~79* and settled in, I like it a little lower right now with the high RH (>65%) and have the panel stacked back at 28", I dropped it down closer to 24" and the ladies started creeping inward within a few hours, O well, Im still nailing ~350umol on my tops. I pulled them forward and pinched all the internodal growth I dont want, took a couple fan leaves and let em be. The hope is I will be able to flip and train early enough to not have to top and still fill most of the screens.

The SLH does not stop stretching through flower till ~week 5 so as soon as I get the main top horizontal and the lateral's catching up I think we will flip.

That last shot is of a blemish I have on one of my front leaves, FR girl again, maybe nute splash..? The gloss sheen on the smaller blemish worries me a bit, but the larger one looks like splash.

Ladies are giving me a little tease and gettin' ready..

I did notice the stem on the hardiest of the 4 ladies..

My 6" I am recirculating w/ till my shit gets here. Come flower I am going to have to be getting my humidity down.

Be SAFE everyone!

foreverflyhi · Dec 29, 2013

Yo,

great looking grow homie,

sorry if i missed it but what strength r u feeding?
In my opinion might want to lower the strength? I say this bcuz i see ur plants having tht look like they are being fed too much.
either wat great start

Scotch089 · Dec 29, 2013

My man Fly glad to see you out and around these parts, you ever tinker with that magnum?

foreverflyhi said:
Yo,

great looking grow homie,

sorry if i missed it but what strength r u feeding?
In my opinion might want to lower the strength? I say this bcuz i see ur plants having tht look like they are being fed too much.
either wat great start

Thanks for the insight brother, I hope you stick around!

I noticed the dark tips and they were making me wonder what I should do with my regime. Thinking heavy N, low Cal/micros ("lighter than I want" new growth).

I am dosing them in a hair over 6 gallons of water, gave em a fresh res change 4 days ago @620ppm (+-5ppm) and last night when I had checked TDS they were sitting at 595ppm before top offs w/ RO.

Running Dyna Gro heavy has never paid off for me and docking it back leaves room for supp's (calmag)

I will res change with either <500ppm or <650 w/ more CaMg+ to offset less base nutes, and I did see actual Calcium spots so I am thinking the latter by Tuesday. I will have to sift through notes in the calendar- but I want to say this one started tipping on me >700ppm.

Man I was just thinking about you the other day too, I was going through s3eds and came across ol' Rascal's shit.. Hope you're doing swell mate.

foreverflyhi · Dec 29, 2013

Word im sure you will figure it out, less us better for the most part.

ive been around the led thread for some time now, in just so far behind that i really wouldnt be able to keep up with yall!
Im more in the organic section now in days.

The mags are being used in a diffrent grow. Im currently running plasma and hps. 110% organic grow. And let me tell yea, ive been growing some if the dankest herb ever with ROLS!

Life is good tho, just had a baby girl, takin care of the wife, tending my land, staying healthy, lovin life !

Here be sum pics of my current grow and last grow

Yoda OG

Blackwater week 3ish

Northern lights #7

Scotch089 · Dec 29, 2013

My brother that is the shit I am talking about!! I COMPLETELY gapped Blackwater! and it is back on the list... if you cant tell I am still on my search for a nice, natural purp and I would not mind the OG influence.

Really beautiful growth, Yoda looks so comfortable. There are so many ppl doing a hell of a job in organics, and the extra oomph in taste is something that makes me wonder.. Quality over Quantity any day of the Week.

Congratulations dude! Is it your first? My first is just about 10 months now.. truly amazing how fast it goes. Every day is something new for all of us.. haha

I wish all of you the best, and be SAFE! What plasma did you snag up??

Greengenes707 · Dec 29, 2013

Blackwater is dank. I grew some clones. They were a very grape flavor with a good hard OG head kick. Yields were avg. But with a few beans I could totally see a super dark one to be there.
As sketchy as swerve can be as a person, his beans are the best OG's for sure.

Scotch089 · Jan 2, 2014

Let me get the txt out of the way before I decide to go venture into the cold for some shots..

First off, happy New Year All! Hope you all stay safe!

My package from Greners should be here today with my 6" vortex and filter so I will be able to decide which inline I want on which '12/12 zone,'

O, its thursday. and guess what, I still haven't changed the res yet, shit has been really busy. Just now had the last christmas get-together yesterday- woopWOOP! My skin starts to tinge green before too long..

Ladies are doing just fine though, feeding ~500ppm, I figured id let em creep down before I gave them a fresh batch. I pulled some leaves and started training under the screen- I had been debating topping them last night- till I got home from being at the inlaws and noticed its too late, I pinched them and started training- next round I think I about going to have the mains weave across to the opposite side of the screen.

I probably took 3 leaves per plant, pinched my tops, and removed all lower new growth, still at 28" (350-400umol), the cold temps have really slowed things down, so hopefully there is not too much stunting from the LST/cooler weather combo.. I wont be vegging much longer, just till the Top's get comfortable growing horizontal.

I have been busy but I will start germing that LA Woman before too long, but priority right now is to get RH under 50%

Scotch089 · Jan 2, 2014

SLH @ 6 weeks since taken from their mum (11/21)

All but one top has started training, and I am thinking about fimming this one- but it could throw off "symmetry" in the screens and timing.

1.) Came out just about as well as I had hoped, looks like shes going to spread the love and let everything keep pace (TL)

2.) Bruised her a little much, she wasnt even too out of line on me, but if anything it will let the others catch up a tad more, (TR)

*I have tested the whole 3x3/AT Area*all tested @ max*some components are intermittent*

Pump
Fans (x2)
Heaters (x2)
6" Inline Fan
AT200
Space Heater

(< 571w)

I am going to do some digging, but I like to know exactly what I am paying... it is nice detatching yourself from "the game" in the first place, but it is always nice to see the hassle pay off bongsmilie

Ill be breaking it down through each component because I tested just a heater and it was 52w. That shit adds up. With the party cup coming up I am reading up on organics as best I can and may see how much I could save eliminating a need for heaters, etc... idkkkkk.

Scotch089 · Jan 5, 2014

Welp, im snowed in, just wandering around here... thought Id update a bit.

We went into 12/12 on 1-4-14 @11:3apm (Dark) so hopefully I can get into a regular schedule of res changes right at Lights On. (pm)

I have trained all 4 tops now, and giving a fresh res change tonight at lights on. Mixed up the batch last night

6.34Gal.
18ml Bloom
12ml MagPro
10ml FulPower

I havent PH'd (added Protekt) yet, but I am guessing 10-12ml to get it to 6.1

Before ph it was @527ppm

Did get a chance to finally get my new fan put in, I love this thing, though I have already scratched it... g?$o8U JNKJ9 J

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Definitely one of those moments, but ill survive, I decided it was too long for the 3x3' and fit the Stealth Portion of Narnia a bit better. Awesome fan, noticeably quieter, and if you are buying another inline, it is definitely worth the bit extra for the quality in the build.

-Backdraft damper, super sweet, and removeable- justa heads up, and directions do say to orient it so the flaps close easier, the springs are NOT the sturdiest, but I dont doubt theyll do the job they are there for.

-Poly body is unreal, out of everything, the weight is my biggest eye opener. Especially considering the size compared to your usual inline.

-Gaskets on the bracket, I probably didnt need the clamps- REALLY like the bracket, I can take the fan out exactly how you see it in the picture w/out fucking with anything else.

I am kind of doing spring cleaning right now, might as well... lights are out, 12" of snow... Ill do another update on the tent tonight, the work week starts back up tomorrow. Wooooooooo...........

I did get the Humidity down to 45-47% in the tent, from 85-90, without the portable, TG.

And i am getting trigger finger on seeds, I have budgeted it out and I am going to keep it under $4-500 and want to walk away and not come back, tired of risking my ass.

Im trying to hit some of the big cornerstones, originals, and personal favorites, along with colour, flavors, smells, originals and anything worth remembering. (IBL Cheese, NL, Kush, etc etc etc)

Other than that... just killing time my friends.

Scotch089 · Jan 6, 2014

I spent about 15min trenching a path to Narnia, and in preparation of Work not calling us off..

LUCKILY! They had some sense and I am going on my 9th day straight, longest vaca since last year! heh.. Though I am getting really fucking angsty, driving the lady nuts... gonna have to find something to do real fast, might tinker on my other 60/110w Veg panel and put it together... I got the drivers for my Pfr "Pontoon" but am waiting on the emitters, could be till beginning of Feb. Ill be using the old heatsinks from my tore down Pro Grow's from HH. P'OS

CheeseQuake (tga)
NorthernBerry (peakseeds)
Blackwater (CC)
Sour Kush (RP)
Confidential Cheese (RP)- sold out...
Killing Fields
GG

Some that are sticking with me, Plush-, Con- Cheese, and a few others I was scoping are sold out on all my sources I am willing to buy from. Ive never bought from Peakseeds, I really like their direction and strains, but am a bit wary of their payment option..

Lights are out now, but some shots from the res change last night:

No media, no sediment. Took out the stones, wiped the hoses and tote, and put it back. I dont have the ~1/2" clips I need for the 2' AirLines I ordered, gonna have to figure that out before I put em in. Was wanting to put them about 8" above the bottom of the tote at the perimeter. But I am thinking Im not gonna need em in the 3x3', the current stones are just going crazy, I may use them in the 3x2 cabs with the Tetra pumps.. I love them, super quiet, but could use the bubbles at the edges.

Man they were NOT happy, temps have been at an all time low around here. (-15, wc of -45F) luckily the area they are in has stayed 45-50F w/OUT a space heater, and inside the tent with the small heater it has been 66-81F, pretty large diff.. I have mixed feelings about em, but either way, theyll manage. I did get the Humidity in the 27-45% range, what really stunts them is me not heating up the new res' before the swap

I try to stay on top of those things but you know how it goes... went and got high. ha.

Defining Stress:

Physical/Mechanical- Manipulation, Pruning, and Denial.

Environmental/Abiotic- Water, Temp and Humid., def's and tox's

Steering Towards:

Veg- Lower nute strength, easier uptake=happier plants// Warmer nutrient Temps= less O2, but easier uptake (~71*)// Low Diff. (<7*'s)// Air Pruning=root system

Gen- Nutes just under max cap., Salts stress roots// Lower Nutrient levels- worry the system// Change nutes one hour after lights come on= Canna Coffee// Larger Diff (~15*'s)

Getting things back up to temp, take care everyone!

PetFlora · Jan 6, 2014

You left one out under Stress: Emotional; relationships; marriage, living together, kids, parents... :bigjoint:

Scotch089 said:
I spent about 15min trenching a path to Narnia, and in preparation of Work not calling us off..

LUCKILY! They had some sense and I am going on my 9th day straight, longest vaca since last year! heh.. Though I am getting really fucking angsty, driving the lady nuts... gonna have to find something to do real fast, might tinker on my other 60/110w Veg panel and put it together... I got the drivers for my Pfr "Pontoon" but am waiting on the emitters, could be till beginning of Feb. Ill be using the old heatsinks from my tore down Pro Grow's from HH. P'OS

CheeseQuake (tga)
NorthernBerry (peakseeds)
Blackwater (CC)
Sour Kush (RP)
Confidential Cheese (RP)- sold out...
Killing Fields
GG

Some that are sticking with me, Plush-, Con- Cheese, and a few others I was scoping are sold out on all my sources I am willing to buy from. Ive never bought from Peakseeds, I really like their direction and strains, but am a bit wary of their payment option..

Lights are out now, but some shots from the res change last night:

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No media, no sediment. Took out the stones, wiped the hoses and tote, and put it back. I dont have the ~1/2" clips I need for the 2' AirLines I ordered, gonna have to figure that out before I put em in. Was wanting to put them about 8" above the bottom of the tote at the perimeter. But I am thinking Im not gonna need em in the 3x3', the current stones are just going crazy, I may use them in the 3x2 cabs with the Tetra pumps.. I love them, super quiet, but could use the bubbles at the edges.

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Man they were NOT happy, temps have been at an all time low around here. (-15, wc of -45F) luckily the area they are in has stayed 45-50F w/OUT a space heater, and inside the tent with the small heater it has been 66-81F, pretty large diff.. I have mixed feelings about em, but either way, theyll manage. I did get the Humidity in the 27-45% range, what really stunts them is me not heating up the new res' before the swap I try to stay on top of those things but you know how it goes... went and got high. ha.

Defining Stress:

Physical/Mechanical- Manipulation, Pruning, and Denial.

Environmental/Abiotic- Water, Temp and Humid., def's and tox's

Steering Towards:

Veg- Lower nute strength, easier uptake=happier plants// Warmer nutrient Temps= less O2, but easier uptake (~71*)// Low Diff. (<7*'s)// Air Pruning=root system

Gen- Nutes just under max cap., Salts stress roots// Lower Nutrient levels- worry the system// Change nutes one hour after lights come on= Canna Coffee// Larger Diff (~15*'s)

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Getting things back up to temp, take care everyone!

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