Scotch's Deep Water LED's, Multi Strain Space Adventure! (Ie. Thought consolidation)

Looking good bro

Greengenes707 said:

Looking good bro

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Thanks brother, I hope you are staying cozy in that 62* weather over there ha! the Kid's look great, I think you are right on target with swapping those lenses, I have been wondering if I(we) would benefit using the wider lenses with the even plane of a SCROG, your light is more for your footprint, but im kind of pushing the 200 outside it's "comfort zone..." let me know what you think.. I still have to take those readings for Flux too.

Lights are still out but I may toss up some closer pics later on, hopefully they are staying toasty.



Thought I would throw up the edited version of what some may have saw on my board in Narnia, (2ml/gal of MagPro ~80-90ppm)

I just got a new printer/scanner/copier so bare with me...

Heres the formula Ive thrown together, critique things. The topic on the LED newbs thread is pretty good, I think 1.5gpw is completely possible- only because- LED's have entered the market, I have not seen 2lbs/600w...



I will just be tracking the maximum wattage drawn with everything running for the EW. (fans/heaters/pump/inline) Since the Inline will constantly adjust and heaters kick off.

I was checking out Bodhi seeds GG, thats a pretty sweet deal going on right now. They have some crazy ass names but they are crosses of some sweet ass stuff..

"The best way to grow Querkle is vegged to a large bush or untopped in ScrOG."

Space Queen x Local Orange Skunk x Jacks Cleaner

Has anyone experience with this?

Querkle is actually (Urkle x space queen).

Urkle is more stable than BCS was so that is why sub likes it in all the new purple crosses. It should be the better version of plush basically...no nanners.



The lenses are and interesting thing. I have been trying to get them to use/test 30* lens(so 60* in normal thinking). I think it would be the perfect mix of spread and intensity.

Greengenes707 said:

Querkle is actually (Urkle x space queen).

Urkle is more stable than BCS was so that is why sub likes it in all the new purple crosses. It should be the better version of plush basically...no nanners.


The lenses are and interesting thing. I have been trying to get them to use/test 30* lens(so 60* in normal thinking). I think it would be the perfect mix of spread and intensity.

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Yea and BadKarma had just mentioned a cross of Harlequin and Urkle?! I could get down on that.. I dont remember seeing it anywhere though. Pandora's Box spikes my interest too, Pennywise is out everywhere.. I was avoiding it, but how high you guys speak of Jillybean I may snag 3-5 seeds, sounds like out of all his gear that is one to keep. I am curious of the Pan Box and Vortex though.. O well, itll be narrowed down to a few by the end of it all.,


As promised I ran out and snapped some shots, and took down/brought in my AT200 for lights out. Whether it could handle those temps or not, I paid a lot of money for my panels, and I love them. My SGS is staying toasty in Northern Narnia (going to term it that for now on) but my second heater (panel style that used to be on the wall) has been brought inside because it wont turn on from the low temps. Not to mention the pipes I am thawing right now..



I may toss in some CFLs and see if I cant retain heat like that, if im drawing from the plug I might as well get some light out of it too. *shrugs*



[1.) FL, nice easy trainer- pretty even growth, 2.) The reckless one, I had pinched her lower but not hard enough- then she was well over the screen and this is what it came to be.. yields gonna hurt in that FR corner, 3.) Doing good in BR, beefin up a bit 4.) and probably the most vigorous, fighting that scrog pretty well is the BL]

I did drop my light down a fuzz when I gave em res change, think it is closer to 26" now and took some shots of the readings for you guys



[1.) FR, 2.) FL, 3.) BR, 4.) BL, 5.) Center

the nute change came out to 538ppm with 18ml Bloom (my Grow chunked up from the temps, and pretty sure my silica has too), 12ml MagPro, and 10ml Protekt. Im not sure they were reading for such a short shot of N. I have some samples of Foliar Pro I may pull out...

I gotta run outside, be safe everyone!

Nice update Scotch............I see on your T/RH meter ^^^the low Temp is 41!!! your not letting your room go under 60 are you?? because that would be my first concern.

I understand the cold your dealing with, Philly is freezing right now( fucking 5 F tonight) but my room wont go under 55 for days though........will cause severe stunting and clawing leaves. Basically use the cfls/incandescents!!! brother asap

In the summer you will be loving your temps.

Hurkle is legit...but not out yet. It is the cbd strain I am waiting for.

I never wanted to grow jillybean for a long time...was actually basically against it because people said it had no kick. Then for some reason the clones called to me that day. 63 days later it is one of my favorites. And strictly from a growers view, near perfect. Resin, flavor, yield. An they must just not grow well, cause mine has been getting me ripped everyday for the last few months.
I used a hilly male to make my first crosses. If I do the party cup, one of my jilly's is what I will run. I actually want to do a full normal bean run with my (kandy kush x JB).

I grew just one vortex clone on time. Not bad, very sativa, yield was good. Sub's timewreck cut is near identical in smell and taste to the vortex I grew. But TW yields are massive.

PSUAGRO. said:

Nice update Scotch............I see on your T/RH meter ^^^the low Temp is 41!!! your not letting your room go under 60 are you?? because that would be my first concern.

I understand the cold your dealing with, Philly is freezing right now( fucking 5 F tonight) but my room wont go under 55 for days though........will cause severe stunting and clawing leaves. Basically use the cfls/incandescents!!! brother asap

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Lights come on here in about 2 hours my man and I will let you know what the Night temps are, but I know for fact that its been as low as 60* while Ive been working in the area. The surrounding space is too large to heat I am considering another small space heater, or cfls (not LEDs :/ for heat..) but I think the heater does a better job reducing RH at the same time? But I wouldnt be surprised if there is some major stuntage from this shit.. I hope you are not drifted too bad up there bub, I know shits THICK down this way,

Greengenes707 said:

In the summer you will be loving your temps.

Hurkle is legit...but not out yet. It is the cbd strain I am waiting for.

I never wanted to grow jillybean for a long time...was actually basically against it because people said it had no kick. Then for some reason the clones called to me that day. 63 days later it is one of my favorites. And strictly from a growers view, near perfect. Resin, flavor, yield. An they must just not grow well, cause mine has been getting me ripped everyday for the last few months.
I used a hilly male to make my first crosses. If I do the party cup, one of my jilly's is what I will run. I actually want to do a full normal bean run with my (kandy kush x JB).

I grew just one vortex clone on time. Not bad, very sativa, yield was good. Sub's timewreck cut is near identical in smell and taste to the vortex I grew. But TW yields are massive.

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I think I may find myself getting in a rotation w/ the seasons between which area I am working out of with the swings of Seasons we get to deal with. Ill get to see how well that new Vortex cools my cab, and it is a nice comfort not worrying about hearing it on "max"

If that cross is gonna be out soon I will hold off to get it... I would not mind a CBD strain, I know my father would appreciate it. I was also scoping PCK, Dream Beaver, and Superstitious. Seedsman is taking cards again so I may hop on that bodhi special..

Since I pulled the AT upstairs with me at lights out I am gonna swap the lenses and take some readings, probably have to bring it down 8-10", but maybe Itd pay off spreading it a bit.. but from what I remember, it was just a difference between height what height for what coverage/intensity(ie. Heat, which wouldn't be bad..)

(Jilly, Pan Box, Querkle, PCK, GG, DreamBeaver, SS, Sour Kush, Blackwater=narrowed to ~1/2)


EDIT: Psu, we literally haven't been out of the house for 3 days o.0

Ima grab some jilly soon too.. Conspiracy kush and another but not sure what. I don't feel you guys on those temps. Its in the 70-80's F during the day and 40-50's F at night. Cali weather aaahhh I was wearing shorts and flip flops earlier. It gets 110-120 here during the summer.

tga cbd strains are out temporarily but bodhi and reggae seeds have some good cbd strains.

hyroot said:

Ima grab some jilly soon too.. Conspiracy kush and another but not sure what. I don't feel you guys on those temps. Its in the 70-80's F during the day and 40-50's F at night. Cali weather aaahhh I was wearing shorts and flip flops earlier. It gets 110-120 here during the summer.

tga cbd strains are out temporarily but bodhi and reggae seeds have some good cbd strains.

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I saw that, Im telling you what 'root- you could not have sprung back better with that IG room. Be safe! 120*, In that case man Id rather be cold than hot.. sounds like you are gonna love how cool those 420's run, eh?

Bodhi seems to be pretty sweet, but all these crazy ass names make it a fucking task sorting the good shit out. I was thinking 2 from each TGA and Bodhi to score the 11 freebies. Not completely sold on Jilly, but if it's THE one. then Ill score a couple on top of the order...

I would like a variety of beans, while smoking something fresh, and down the road things are going to be mainstream so...

According to High Times Fed '14 Issue..




Guess Im getting that second heater eh psu? I thought you'd appreciate it if I hurried and got the original reading




And the final height I had to go down to match my numbers @ the canopy, hopefully warm things up- I did turn the second Osc. fan On,



I hate that I cant figure out why that screen is uneven...


...big buddha cheese in CA, eh? lol

Man after reading this im gonna have to put a heater in my room or something its been getting down to 55-50 at night in my room. Not bad considering it was -7 f before windchill when i left for work yesterday.
I noticed some clawing leaves and seems like the girls arent growing as fast as they should. thanks psourgo for the tip

Things have really taken off since the recent res change, notes are in the other room but we're somewhere around a week in 12/12. I had family over the past few days so I think me letting them be, Ie. "cook" and photosynthesizzze and transpire and shit under the light and higher temps. Yes, me leaving them alone and using the more narrow (narrower? Sorry I am just, super baked. Work week started up again, so my smoke schedule for the past 12 days just came to a halt..wow) lenses let the Radiant Heat where it needs to go.

I did decide to turn off the top osc fan and bring the panel back a little though, the breeze was chilly and im sick of ugly leaves..


Gonna try and break down the Training for you all. Hopefully it will help somebody out there at some point or another. My first time scrogging w/out topping, and I am curious myself to see what Cytokinins have to offer in avoiding stress.


Pre-Training





(this is gonna be the lady to watch)



Just checked the ppm for the first time (topped off x2 since change, bout ~3/4 gal each) since the res change and they are feeding @420pppm This is the first time in a couple days I have been able to really spend some time out there. Took 10-15 to pinch internodal growth I didnt care about. There was one that I had missed on the biggen in the back left, that I am going to let thive and see what happens.


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2.) thats the poor girl I got too late, A+ for avoiding stress, right?

3.) The BL after shes was tied down, they have not gotten their Foliar this week but I am already stoked with how she is going so far..


Some concerns, I have had a history of seeing these splotches- still green, but have a gloss to them, then random leaves that are hit and miss like this.



And I have germed x3 SLH and in the process of getting an LA Woman. I dont know what the hell but none of my freebies from tude have taken.. all of my SScenter's (old as fuck!), but shes got that pale green look like she's dead. but by god those slh are reerin ready to go.

Well if you have a history with those "splotches"^^^^ maybe you should STOP moving the scrog netting that's doing it

be safe brother

Defoliated the piss out things, come two weeks flower I will/should be done taking things off, but I dont want to have to worry about my fans circulating alright.

As I take leaves, I bring life as well! No LA woman out of the bunch... I did cut the seal of the shell this morning to see if I couldnt help it any. I felt like it was coming to a point at the edge, and thought I had read of this before?

This uploader is PITA> Please go check out my brother G over there rocking the shit out of the AT600 and every one has to be subbed up to brother Dawg's thread by now?

G's Apache 600
Dawg's Area 51's

Nothin over here like the purple naked ladies G's.. but I guess that's what you get throwing food coloring in your topdress, right? haha looks great man.








I did change my lenses back tonight, I want to apologize to flux that I have not taken readings and posted them. GreenG - now I know why you didnt do a whole lot variations with that 600's lenses. hahah thats shits tedious!

The top reading was @24" dead center, I raised it to 28"



I really like how little the dropoff is with the tighter focus/higher distance, I was ~620umol DC.

(<<<<-2 days ago)

Just some ol fashioned preflower stuff.. this one's gonna take it's sweet ass time. At least feels like it.

The time will fly by and big buds will come sooner than you think.

Looks like a bunch of heads about to bust up through there.

Greengenes707 said:

The time will fly by and big buds will come sooner than you think.

Looks like a bunch of heads about to bust up through there.

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I am worried about that killer leaf curl though, been back and forth whether its my great range of RH or my rootzone's WL. Just cant seem to get em happy since the transfer. May rig up the dehum and run a drain line.

Lookin back at the pictures it looks so bare... they should stretch for a good 3 weeks before packing on anything. Im thinking Ill be okay between the four. Next run I may go to two and plant count down.

Besides it being time consuming, which I dont mind, its a pleasant "quiet time," haha. Hydro does not have to be too strenuous... but I am going to need a bigger sub. pump..

-I am not hooking up the 2 ft. air lines I purchased, they won't stay put in the clips I have now..
-I have changed airstones inside the res' so that all x4 are the smaller 2x2" cylinders, for...
-Looking at needing to go into "stealth" mode in a few weeks, this is not a bad thing.. I really like having the versatility available for the given situation.

Found that the AP300's are the best balance of quiet vs. pressure I have found amongst smaller aquarium pump options and will probably snag a couple more. Then I will just need to unhook from the x12 outlet divider and into the two pumps, x1/res. At least that's how i imagine it going.

Finally got in there and gave them their res changes, look at em beg..



Naw.. I really should have been on top of it, but you know how life goes. soon as you need to get somethin done..



Did the last "major" trimming theyll have, only if it's blocking a budsite from now on to the final chop.





the first shot of the roots contains the one I tested cutting the center of the NP out of... I like that they are not matting onto each other as badly, but think I still should have woven some through the perimeter of the pot in the beginning. It will be interesting seeing how quality in taste/flushing comes out with no media.


Up in the N.N.



Super Lemon Haze seeds, no LA woman, little bitch.. I do think I am going to place an order once things get settled down. My card was one compromised by the fucking Target thing on Black Friday, no money taken TG, but all messed up moving shit.. btw there ARE three there haha wanted to show yah what the T5s do.. (from lowes!)

I took some clones off of the girls, I had not wanted to in the beginning, but there were four that were growing horizontal AND couldnt make it to the screen if I had raised them vertically.

::HERE ARE SOME GREAT LONG LOST READS::
Let's talk SERIOUS SCROG

Delvite SCROG Guide









These were all before my camera died, didnt snag any of the SGS setup- That panel and that inline fan is just a combo for stealth. I forget the cab is running, I turn the SGS on and I cant hear it start up over my pumps and PG's fans. ha... fucking Hydro Hut given 'merican products a bad name...


And any lurkers, I found a DG originated, Hydroponics Feeding Chart that ALMOST makes sense, the doses are close to what I have done with late veg and early flower, though I DO NOT suggest the ph range and crazy high ppm's in early 12/12...


Everyone be safe!

Have you looked into the Marineland pumps? http://www.marineland.com/Products/aquarium-pumps-powerheads/maxi-jet-aquarium-powerhead-circulation-pump.aspx

Very nice. You seem to have gotten the leaf curl under control. Did you do anything for that or did they just pull through?

Didn't know you ran the DG line up scotch?? hope to god your not buying protek!! it's just diluted agsil 16h @ pennies per gallon

looks like your on track........be safe