second grow first time hydro dwc

hi all so my second journal,

i should have started this on the 10th of july but with a dodgy internet connection and things just cropping up it got way laid, so i will be posting a monster first part and i will try to keep this one up to date.

i have already constructed it in word, it contains about 40 odd pics so its taking some time to compile on to RIU.

have fun and i will post some time today.

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2008-07-12

I am awaiting a cutting but I is looking less likely that it will turn up so I thought that I would do a grow till I get some good genetics,
So here is my second grow, I am growing in a DWC aka bubbler.
I have decided to make my bubbler instead of buying oxy pots,
[FONT=&quot]Got a 17 litre plastic box and lid from wilko’s £ 2.25 this will be my DWC (pic 1)

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Got 2 bird feeders cut in half will make good net baskets 49p each (pic 2)[/FONT]


2 air stones £ 1 each
Air pump borrowed of a fellow grower (thanks)
Air line 75p
Flow control valves for air line £ 1.50.
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Built the DWC not very happy with the amount of air produced from the pump I think I will have to change things a bit here it is for now
I put some seeds to germinate 2 days ago, these were put in toilet paper and then wrapped in panda plastic and left on my PC monitor, they are now splitting and the tap root is exposed on a few so I have transplanted the split seeds in to a homemade heated propagator (pic5)



2 washing up bowls, a heat mat (I used to have an iguana), temp control unit, a mini propagator and a warm air heater. (pic6)

So I have put 15 seeds in to root riot cubes if you have never used root riot instead of rock wool you might like to look it to it I have had no trouble with them and they are less hassle that rock wool,
I will just have to wait now


2008-07-13
Nothing today
2008-07-14
Ok I checked late tonight to find (pic7)

Now I need 2 propagators one in darkness and one in 24 hour light,
That a project for tomorrow.


2008-07-15
Today I got the bigger propagator out and left the small one in the washing bowl and covered it and put the bigger one on top.( [FONT=&quot]pic[/FONT]
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Also another 6 seeds have sprouted (pic9)

They seem to be doing very well. The only thing I am doing at the moment is to spray them twice a day with water ph’ed at 5.8.

I also changed the DWC to make it bigger I got 3x24 litre boxes, 2 net pond baskets , some clay balls (from a fellow grower) and got a better air stone still need a better pump,
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Quite happy with this it gives me plenty of room to play with,
Update so tonight I was playing about in my grow room when I found a problem with the DWC ver.2
The centre of the lid is too weak and fell in need to remodel this but yet again this can wait till the morning.











2008-07-16
So redid the DWC it’s now the DWC ver.3
This time I am going to fit just the one basket, a new 2outlet pump (180 litre per hour) and put panda plastic (black & white) on the lid to stop light getting to the water in the DWC as it can cause algae and other problems. Also the seedlings are progressing nicely so I am going to ph the water to 5.8 and put them in.
AND so starts the journal proper
Seedlings moved to DWC
Water ph’ed to 5.8
No nutes just yet
24 hour light 2 cfl 125w one red one blue
Room temp about 80
Water temp 72
Humidity with lid up to 100% without lid 50-60% this will have to come up in the next week or so
DWC ver.3 (pic12, 13)




I cut the bottoms of the propagator tray so the root riot cubes come out the bottom of the tray.
The water is nicely aerated now (pic14)



The seedlings are doing well but I am now thinking that when I come to change the plants to single net pots I might have some problems getting them out, the net on the basket is very fine and the clay ball won’t help I think I will think about this over night. But here is another pic from today. (pic15)





2008-07-17
First things first
Ph was up to 6.1 so added .03mil of ph down now at 5.8
Temp remains stable
Changed the basket removed the clay balls and removed most of the fine net on the bottom of the basket this should help facilitate any moving they need to do. (pic16) they are spending about 2-3 hours a day with the propagator lid off so I have started the fan at the back on slow just to move the air and promote a healthy stem.(pic 16)



Here are a couple of pics first was taken this morning and the second tonight. (pics18, 17)




They are coming along.
Here’s a nice pic of a seedling just out of the shell. (Pic 19)





2008-07-18

So decided to add some nutes today and some h2o2
Added
Ionics nutes at 2mil per litre (should be 7mil)
Added 5mil of h2o2 to 20 the litres
Ph when up to 6.4, ph down .09mil now at 5.8
I have changed the spray from ph’ed water to a formulex (ionics nute) mix twice a day
Bar that the temp remains good, i am increasing the time the seedlings are out of the propagator.
I also borrowed an extra red 125w envirolite so now there are 2x red 125w and one blue 125w. (Thanks again URBAN MIST)
Had a new one sprout today, I will only be taking 6 plants in to the next stage. But I think I might have a buyer for 4 of the others at £5 each which is ok to say they are not sexed
So here are two pics taken this afternoon.(pics 20,21)




That’s it for today


2008-07-19
Added 1200mil of water plus 4mil ionics grow nute
Ph today was 6.0 added ph down .04mil now at 5.8, everything else remains the same
The seedlings are doing very well I think they liked the shot of nutes, also another 2 sprouted today only 2 left to go now.
So some pics a few from this morning. (pics 22,23,24)





I will add some more pics later
Pics 10pm (pic25)



2008-07-20
Ph 6.1
Add 5mil h2o2
Added ph down .04mil ph now 5.8
Temp remains same
Pics 11am
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pictures 11pm (pics 28,29)




Humidity dropping badly in this new room its drops to 30-35% I am going to have to do something about this soon.




2008-07-21

Ph up to 6.2 added ph down .05mil ph now 5.8
Room humidity remains a problem 30-40%
Temp is ok the temp on the pics is radiant heat and is higher than the room temp which is 76-82. (pics 30,31)




Ok so I made a bad mistake I had to go out and I left the top of the propagator off came back to find that one leaf had some problem, it had curled up at the end and dried up the humidity was 30%, I think this and the fact that the fan at the back of the room blowing cool air across the bulbs had fell over, the room temp was the same 80f but the radiant heat was up to 98f this I think has damaged that leaf. No other damage I gave them an extra spray and left the top down for a few hours,
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I cut the leaf I should have taken a pic first but hay. I don’t think this will affect the overall growth of that plant we shall see.



2008-07-22 DAY 10
So I topped up the water today it was 800mil short added 2mil nute (it’s close to a litre)
Added 5mil H2O2
Ph was 6.1 added .035mil of ph down ph now 5.8
I knew that hydro was a faster growth medium but I am impressed, they are only 8 days old, this is the bit I missed as on my first grow I got plants that were older than these, the plant that lost some of its leaf is fine and showing no ill effect from its ordeal,
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Ok so as you can see they are filling out a bit now so I am going to remove some of them to make room, I have decided to remove the 4 smallest and the 2 biggest the 8 I am left with are all the same size or near. As I said I have a buyer for 4 of these he can have the 2 biggest in the soil pots and 2 out of the hydro, when I choose which 6 I want to keep for the next stage of growth.
Here are some pics
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So now I just have to wait and see which 6 are best. I had forgotten how much I liked this first bit and I must admit that messing about with the hydro stuff is fun.


2008-07-23
Ph 6.0 added ph down .03mil ph now 5.8
All temps remain steady
I am looking in to humidifiers but with the school holidays coming money is going to be tight.
All the plant s are doing well it’s the last you will hear about the soil plants as they are not part of this journal now but they have transplanted nicely, by the 25 I will have chosen which 6 will go to the next stage this is a 6 pot DWC (single net pots) same container. I will post some pics of that nearer the time so here are a couple of pics.
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Here are a couple of pics from tonight
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2008-07-24

Topped up water with 850mil with 2mil nute
Added 5mil h2o2
Ph of 6.0 ph down .025mil ph now 5.8
Wow these plants are getting a bit big now might have to change plans and transfer them tomorrow.
There is minor curling of the leaves but only on one or two, this could be the start of Magnesium (Mg) deficiency. I will keep an eye on it if it gets worse i will start foliar spray with mag cal.
Bar that the plant are looking good, i have found out today that i will not be getting any cuttings as the person got busted it’s so sad but he was putting out 100 cuttings every two weeks and growing to sell so pretty much a commercial grower, so now i am glad i started this. I will be looking in to getting a proper strain after the school holidays as money is going to be tight.
So here are a few pics i [FONT=&quot]thought[/FONT] that i would put one in of the root system
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More pics later tonight
I know its a bit of a big post sorry

Don't worry about big, it was a brilliant post, more of the same please!

Very detailed and a real professional job, I'm sure plenty of hydro growers will be watching this one real soon.

Proper Job KH

2008-07-24 11pm update
Pics first.
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I am going to have to move them to DWC ver.3 tomorrow the root system is starting to come from the top of the root riot cubes and they are getting to clustered, there will be only 6 out of the 8 that are moving to the next stage i think it will be the ones that a closest to the same size, but then they will get names, here is a pic of the root problem. (pic 49)


if you are wondering why the plants look different its because i have started to rotate the basket 2-3 times a day. also the 2 leaves that were curling have flattened out and are looking fine.

i would love to put the PPM or EC here but i have not got my pen yet and it might be some it till i get one. what with the school holidays starting and other things required for the room.

that it for tonight i am going to try and update with pics twice a day

thank you B/mad for your kind words.

Superb, you are well on the way with Grow2 Mate. These stalks are fair fattening up and roots bustin out everywhere. Nicely done, keep it up KH

I am just going to say slow down on the h2o2, every grow i have seen since mine that looked like mine did at one point had been getting regular feedings with h202 added. I honestly think it hurts the plant more than it helps it. If you are really concerned about the plants immune system disolve a tablet of asprin in water, filter it with a coffee filter and add it to the res. Salicylic acid(asprin) is a natural defense hormone released by virtually all plants. The second i stopped using h202 and gave it asprin it was back on track. And has been since. Just throwing that in there, it looks awesome other than the seemingly mg deficiency(i remember someone told me that was my problem, but it was actually the h2o2).

Love how u made that

firstly hi everybody thanks for coming all comments are welcome

DJ thanks its only hunter #1 the seeds came from the last grow so we will see how it goes, from what i have seen up to yet this hydro grow is growing a lot quicker than the last soil grow.

S/panda i was thinking of stopping the h2o2 for now and see what happens, there is some curling on one or two of the leaves but just a little bit not much. h2o2 is only active for a matter of hours and then dissipates so i might give it a few days off and see.

DWR thanks mostly i like to make the stuff i use (unless its cheap lol)

i will update in the next few hours as i have moved them into the DWC ver .4 changed the res water and gone to 6 plants.

Wow man, proper pro grow going on here! Thats an awesome set up! Keep up the good work! Loving the envirolites!

All that you have done is quality Kulan Hunter, the plants as well as the set-up.
You're doing a grand job of representing us Brits.
Very professional.
Props to you.

hopefully before i go into flowering i will be changing to a 600w duel spectrum light, but i need to vent the room better.

envirolites are great to veg with but if things go badly i will use 2x125w 2700hz envirolites and a 150w hps to flower with

so i am just going to post this mornings update the pic were taken at 11am

2008-07-25
So a few changes today I have move the plants to DWC ver.4, and I am now down to 6 plants,

Changed res water today 22 litres have been standing for about 36-48 hours,
Added 50mil of ionics nute that 2.27mils per litre
Added 5mil h2o2 this will be the last time for a few days
URBAN MIST lent me his EC pen so here is my EC 1.39 ms; I know this strain (I think) so I am going to bump it up to the recommended EC of 2.0 ms
Added 30mil more nute EC now at 2.01 ms (I have 22 litres of water ready and canna flush if I need to flush)
Ph was 7.1 added 0.26mil ph down ph now 5.8

So now to the pics
Firstly I was going to use the bird feeders as net pots but I got hold of some 3” net pots @25p each so I will be using them.
So here is DWC ver.4 (pic 51)


I still need to cover the top with panda plastic (black and white) but there is more room for them to grow (for next week or so) till 2 are removed and then I will put the remaining 4 in the 4 corners of the DWC giving me another week or so to build the 4 single oxy pot style DWC’s.(thats the plan for now but something is bugging me i don't know what but there is a flaw in this plan)

Here are a couple more pics of my plant. (Pics 52, 53)





And as I am now using photobucket for my pic I thought I would do a video so here it is just click on the pic
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sorry this one is late i will be posting the second part of todays journal after 11pm i am trying to take pics every 12 hours.

AND thank you everyone who has joined me on my second adventure. i am pretty sure i will run into some problems sooner or later.

looks EXELLENT KH, im not experienced with hydro so I can see no flaws. Looks like you did a neat job of that box. ill watch and learn... puff puff.. pass

i now know what was bugging me, when i come to taking 2 plants out they may gain a bit of room left to right but they will still be overlapping front to back DOH.

i am now thinking i could run two of these boxes with 3 in each in a staggered formation.
it would take as much room as 4 x 10 litre oxy buckets and i could take all 6 in to the next stage and maybe through to flowering.

i wish i had some smoke to pass, i have smoked it all. hay ho.

have fun

would square pots make a difference for you?

i don't think they would as even if i moved the plant right to the edge it would only give me about 5-6 cm extra room per plant and that could be a days growth the way this is going. i think i have talked my self in to the 2 boxes i was going to need a second pump anyway so may as well run the two boxes and if it goes well forget about changing to the 4 oxy pots

thank for the idea DJ

Looking great... May i post here.??? Sir. Me a geek porn whore! db.~tlb!

you are very welcome here B.
you have really put me on one i might get booted if i carry on.
i have taken you at your word i hope i have not offended you in any way. if i have let me know i have a giddy head on.

Never ever off~ended here sir. Ever... We play hard, in this chair! Just read up alittle. And u will see there aint no rules, but no haters, and i love the criplet jokes....porcshe' has cabrolet and im taken criplet'... Dont ever worry here "yur on the bus."!!! Db.~tlb!

very nice growing by the way, me like~e!