TRUMP INDICTED

BudmanTX

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Bagginski

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Most Americans support Trump pardon if he’s convicted, sentenced to jail in docs case: poll
A slim majority of Americans surveyed in a poll released Friday would support pardoning former President Trump if he is convicted and sentenced to jail over allegations that he mishandled classified documents.

The Harvard CAPS-Harris poll found 53 percent of total respondents — 80 percent of Republicans and 30 percent of Democrats — would support a pardon, showing a large partisan divide in opinion.

Among political independents, 52 percent said Trump should not be pardoned.

Trump was indicted on 37 felony charges related to the mishandling of classified documents — many in violation of the Espionage Act — and was arraigned at a Miami court on Tuesday. It is alleged that Trump took the documents with him from the White House and kept them at his Mar-a-Lago estate after he left office, as well as misled investigators when they requested the documents.

But to be pardoned, Trump would first have to be convicted. That is an outcome that a majority of Americans also think will be unlikely, the poll found.

Only 43 percent of respondents — 18 percent of Republicans and 67 percent of Democrats — said Trump is likely to be convicted.

However, exactly half of respondents said that he should drop out of the 2024 race because of the charges, with a conviction or not. The most recent polling shows Trump still in the lead for the 2024 GOP nomination, making a rematch between him and President Biden likely.
The survey was conducted between June 14-15 among 2,090 registered voters — with no margin of error provided.
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Most Americans support Trump pardon if he’s convicted, sentenced to jail in docs case: poll

A slim majority of Americans surveyed in a poll released Friday would support pardoning former President Trump if he is convicted and sentenced to jail over allegations that he mishandled classifie…
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Here’s your periodic reminder that professional polling frequently butters its bread by generating the appearance of popular support by a variety of means…and chief among those means are reliance on methods that produce those results (call lists of GOOP donors, MAGA affiliates, etc, heavy on the land-line crowd, etc), with question design & sequencing bring home the purchased result.

For all we know, their ‘survey’ was ‘randomly pulled’ from the public posts of MAGA-adjacent FB users….
 
Bagginski

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Esper: Trump known as ‘hoarder’ of classified documents
Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper on Sunday said former President Trump has been described as a “hoarder” of classified documents, in the wake of Trump facing federal charges over his alleged mishandling of some of the nation’s top secrets.
Presented with suggestions both that Trump kept the documents “like a child with a toy” and that he kept them for financial or power reasons, Esper said on CNN’s “State of the Union” that he thinks “both theories could be true and likely are true to some extent.”

“People have described him as a hoarder when it comes to these type of documents. But, clearly, it was unauthorized, illegal and dangerous,” Esper said of Trump.

“And, look, we have a case playing out right now in Massachusetts where that young airman from the Massachusetts National Guard is being charged on similar types of accounts under the Espionage Act for taking and retaining unauthorized documents that affected our national defense.”
Trump earlier this month pleaded not guilty to 37 counts related to allegations that he violated the Espionage Act and obstructed justice by taking classified records with him after his presidency and then refusing to turn them over to the government.

Esper on Sunday also agreed that, if the indictment’s charges are proven true, Trump can’t be trusted with the nation’s secrets again, even as Trump runs for another four years in the White House in the 2024 presidential race.

“I mean, it’s just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation’s security at risk. You cannot have these documents floating around. They need to be secured. We know how that happens, that only authorized persons are allowed to see documents or receive information from documents,” Esper said.

The former defense secretary explained concerns that foreign agents or another country could “discover documents that outline America’s vulnerabilities or the weaknesses of the United States military” that could then be exploited against the U.S.

“Think about how that could be exploited, how that could be used against us in a conflict, how an enemy could develop countermeasures, things like that. Or, in the case of the most significant piece that was raised in the allegation, about U.S. plans to attack Iran, think about how that affects our readiness, our ability to prosecute an attack, if indeed we know that Iran eventually develops a nuclear weapon and we need to act on it,” Esper said.

The DOJ reportedly has a July 2021 audio recording in which Trump discusses a classified Pentagon document detailing a potential U.S. attack on Iran.

“So, I’m quite concerned about this. These are very serious allegations and need to be taken seriously by everybody involved.”
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Esper: Trump known as ‘hoarder’ of classified documents

Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper on Sunday said former President Trump has been described as a “hoarder” of classified documents, in the wake of Trump facing federal charges over his…
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His failure to “grow up” on the inside is the crucial factor - not an excuse, not an ameliorating circumstance, it’s THE disqualification. Just as his hours of practice posing & mugging in the mirror & his undeniable skill @ making shit up aren’t qualifications

“You *knew* I was a con man when you PUT ME THERE!!!
“You have *NO ONE* TO BLAME BUT YOURSELVES”
 
Bagginski

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Fogdog said:
Maybe I wasn't clear that I think Trump was not hoarding nor was he being childish. Those characterizations are bullshit meant to minimize what Trump actually did. Any time one sees those descriptions being made, one should look into who said that and what their agenda is. I think Trump was greedily hanging on to very valuable documents, ready to negotiate and trade those documents or information they contain in exchange for something that is in his own self interest. I'm hopefully expecting to see evidence proving this at Trump's trial in the Mar a Lago documents case.
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Considering what they’ve *released* so far, I rather expect there may be a surprise dish on the menu when it gets to trial: maybe the Jared/MBS payoff?
 
cannabineer

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Bagginski said:
His failure to “grow up” on the inside is the crucial factor - not an excuse, not an ameliorating circumstance, it’s THE disqualification. Just as his hours of practice posing & mugging in the mirror & his undeniable skill @ making shit up aren’t qualifications

“You *knew* I was a con man when you PUT ME THERE!!!
“You have *NO ONE* TO BLAME BUT YOURSELVES”
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Roger A. Shrubber

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Bagginski said:
Here’s your periodic reminder that professional polling frequently butters its bread by generating the appearance of popular support by a variety of means…and chief among those means are reliance on methods that produce those results (call lists of GOOP donors, MAGA affiliates, etc, heavy on the land-line crowd, etc), with question design & sequencing bring home the purchased result.

For all we know, their ‘survey’ was ‘randomly pulled’ from the public posts of MAGA-adjacent FB users….
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Harvard is usually pretty fair, but mark penn is a prick,
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/former-clinton-advisor-mark-penn-turns-his-coat-for-trump.html

Dritan Nesho has a good resume, but he now works for a company owned by mark penn's group, so his impartiality is suspect, as well.

They also were only surveying registered voters...If that poll was open to independent voters, I think they would have gotten some very different answers.
 
cannabineer

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
Harvard is usually pretty fair, but mark penn is a prick,
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/former-clinton-advisor-mark-penn-turns-his-coat-for-trump.html

Dritan Nesho has a good resume, but he now works for a company owned by mark penn's group, so his impartiality is suspect, as well.

They also were only surveying registered voters...If that poll was open to independent voters, I think they would have gotten some very different answers.
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Is it me, or have polls increasingly taken up news space in the last few years? They’re sneaky things, op-ed masquerading as actual news.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Trump Seems to Be Afraid, Very Afraid

That was the big revelation of his interview with Fox’s Bret Baier.
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Trump Seems to Be Afraid, Very Afraid
That was the big revelation of his interview with Fox’s Bret Baier.
By Tom Nichols

Donald Trump is scared.

Or so he seems, at least to judge from the interview he did with the Fox News anchor Bret Baier that aired over the past two evenings. Trump was jittery and combative, but that’s not so unusual; the former president tends to answer even softball questions as if they’re accusations. Typically, when confronted with more serious challenges, he deploys his peculiar political glossolalia, verbal fusillades formed out of names and places and phrases plucked from jumbled memories, old talking points, and barely remembered briefings.

But something was different this time. Trump seemed not himself—or at least not the character he’s been presenting to the public for most of his life.

Instead, he seemed deeply uneasy in an environment where he should have felt at home. The hosts of Fox News have been, for the most part, staunch supporters of the 45th president, repeating Trump’s many grievances and echoing his lies about how the 2020 election was rigged and stolen. Fox, after all, is the network that proved its commitment to Trump by shelling out $787.5 million as the price of supporting his fantasies about voting machines. And yet, by the end of the interview, Trump was calling Fox a “hostile” network.

Through it all, Trump seemed genuinely off-balance. (Even some of the Fox analysts noticed it; the longtime Fox anchor and Trump defender Brit Hume, for one, said that Trump’s answers about his legal dilemmas “verged on incoherent.”) This was not the same Trump who took instant charge of CNN’s town-hall interview, in which he owned a New Hampshire stage and bulldozed the CNN anchor Kaitlan Collins out of his way while playing to a hooting and applauding crowd...
 
Fogdog

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Bagginski said:
Considering what they’ve *released* so far, I rather expect there may be a surprise dish on the menu when it gets to trial: maybe the Jared/MBS payoff?
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Yep. Something along those lines. The Jared thing reeks of corruption. Or some conversations with a potential buyer may have been recorded. IDK. I do know that Trump would sell out this country for money or influence in the upcoming elections.

Just speculating. That Man's lawyers are only now finishing their first reading through the DOJ' s discovery documents. Other than them and Jack Smith et al., no one knows what evidence prosecutors plan to use at trial. Everybody, including Trump are under court orders to refrain from talking about it, It may be happenstance but I take note that Trump looks particularly haggard lately.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
Yep. Something along those lines. The Jared thing reeks of corruption. Or some conversations with a potential buyer may have been recorded. IDK. I do know that Trump would sell out this country for money or influence in the upcoming elections.

Just speculating. That Man's lawyers are only now finishing their first reading through the DOJ' s discovery documents. Other than them and Jack Smith et al., no one knows what evidence prosecutors plan to use at trial. Everybody, including Trump are under court orders to refrain from talking about it, It may be happenstance but I take note that Trump looks particularly haggard lately.
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He has had a peek at the indictment for sure, his lawyers have digested it and it's starting to sink in how fucked he is. Judge Cannon set his trial date for August 14th, so he had better get some pretrial motions underway by July 26th or show up in court in August. I wonder if she is more loyal to the GOP than Trump, maybe she likes Ron? His trial, once underway should take less than 60 days and the cuffs go on upon conviction, whenever that might be, but Florida does have the "rocket docket".
 
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