War

Roger A. Shrubber said:

there has been something bothering me for a while now..
i understand why everyone is upset over putin's actions...but why isn't everyone upset over whats going on in Syria? in Yemen?
what about what the Israelis have been doing to the Palestinians for decades?
this phrase has been used multiple times in this thread "white christians with guns and guts"....
why are the Ukrainians worth fighting for, but not the Yemenis, the Syrians, or the Palestinians?

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-media-bias-west-blatant-racism

the media isn't even aware of the blatantly racist way they report on a lot of issues
https://theconversation.com/refugees-reporting-and-the-far-right-how-the-ukraine-crisis-reveals-brutal-everyday-racism-in-europe-and-beyond-178410

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/opinions/ukraine-war-racist-stereotypes-joseph/index.html

i'm still all for supporting the Ukrainians, and kicking putin's ass, but maybe the world could muster more than a shrug when its brown people or non christians getting slaughtered, and not white christians?

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invaders must die

Roger A. Shrubber said:

there has been something bothering me for a while now..
i understand why everyone is upset over putin's actions...but why isn't everyone upset over whats going on in Syria? in Yemen?
what about what the Israelis have been doing to the Palestinians for decades?
this phrase has been used multiple times in this thread "white christians with guns and guts"....
why are the Ukrainians worth fighting for, but not the Yemenis, the Syrians, or the Palestinians?

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-media-bias-west-blatant-racism

the media isn't even aware of the blatantly racist way they report on a lot of issues
https://theconversation.com/refugees-reporting-and-the-far-right-how-the-ukraine-crisis-reveals-brutal-everyday-racism-in-europe-and-beyond-178410

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/opinions/ukraine-war-racist-stereotypes-joseph/index.html

i'm still all for supporting the Ukrainians, and kicking putin's ass, but maybe the world could muster more than a shrug when its brown people or non christians getting slaughtered, and not white christians?

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Because they have nothing of value the world wants, human beings are the worst.

Polly Wog said:

But Americans are spoiled by cheap imports. So are most consumers around the world. Automation will continue. Those COVID convoys will be replaced by robot drivers. The new dog food plant down the road will open this year. Super automation. ~350 employees when finished. Very few fork lift drivers etc. I'm not sure where everyone is going to work in the future.

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They have done the math and bringing industry home works now with automation and technology and will be cheaper than third world hand labor and transport costs, even the textile industry will work with automation and tech. I think that's why there is new talk of universal basic income, you have to keep the population housed and fed or they will revolt.

Mexico has a young workforce that will do some of the manufacturing and buy US products, we have a new trade agreement with them.

Polly Wog said:

But Americans are spoiled by cheap imports. So are most consumers around the world. Automation will continue. Those COVID convoys will be replaced by robot drivers. The new dog food plant down the road will open this year. Super automation. ~350 employees when finished. Very few fork lift drivers etc. I'm not sure where everyone is going to work in the future.

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although there is a trend in a lot of countries of negative population growth, some other countries have expanding populations. most of the shrinking countries are in EU, while most of the expanding countries are in Africa. while the worlds population is still growing, the growth rate has decreased dramatically, and experts say that after hitting a peak of 9.8 billion, it should stabilize around 8 billion by 2100...so the current population is about what it's going to be for a while, after a few fluctuations.
if automation grows, which it almost certainly will, i see a lot more people going into tech jobs to service the automation, a lot more people being involved in agriculture, the arts, running their own retail businesses...and a lot of unemployed people...

Polly Wog said:

But Americans are spoiled by cheap imports. So are most consumers around the world. Automation will continue. Those COVID convoys will be replaced by robot drivers. The new dog food plant down the road will open this year. Super automation. ~350 employees when finished. Very few fork lift drivers etc. I'm not sure where everyone is going to work in the future.

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If we are producing everything we need, why do we need everyone to work the way we have been in the past?

I think something like a 2 days on 5 days off system would be really worthwhile where people are earning enough to live off of. Still leave people room to work more if they really want to elevate their standard of living. And we would drive far less, which helps get us off oil.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

there has been something bothering me for a while now..
i understand why everyone is upset over putin's actions...but why isn't everyone upset over whats going on in Syria? in Yemen?
what about what the Israelis have been doing to the Palestinians for decades?
this phrase has been used multiple times in this thread "white christians with guns and guts"....
why are the Ukrainians worth fighting for, but not the Yemenis, the Syrians, or the Palestinians?

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-media-bias-west-blatant-racism

the media isn't even aware of the blatantly racist way they report on a lot of issues
https://theconversation.com/refugees-reporting-and-the-far-right-how-the-ukraine-crisis-reveals-brutal-everyday-racism-in-europe-and-beyond-178410

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/02/opinions/ukraine-war-racist-stereotypes-joseph/index.html

i'm still all for supporting the Ukrainians, and kicking putin's ass, but maybe the world could muster more than a shrug when its brown people or non christians getting slaughtered, and not white christians?

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I really think we need to deal with the Saudi's soon. They are attacking our democracy as much as any other nation has been.

zeddd said:

invaders must die

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so russians, Israelis, Saudi Arabians, and Syrian Al-Assad supporters must all die?
seems a little heavy handed....

I've seen estimates on population and they are more dire, like China losing half it's population by 2050.

The US and the world are in for huge changes and the current standard of living is not sustainable. Didn't anyone notice things like the tiny home movement or van life, there are lots of examples of what's coming, just turn on cable tv.

captainmorgan said:

They have done the math and bringing industry home works now with automation and technology and will be cheaper than third world hand labor and transport costs, even the textile industry will work with automation and tech. I think that's why there is new talk of universal basic income, you have to keep the population housed and fed or they will revolt.

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it depends on how they implement the idea. If we remain a capitalistic society, those that can't or won't earn extra income will become the new poor, living above subsistence, but still looked down upon by those who can and do earn extra income.

They are trying to make living in your van look fun and adventurous but it's still living in a van or tiny house, half a mobile home.

captainmorgan said:

I've seen estimates on population and they are more dire, like China losing half it's population by 2050.

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China has 1.4 billion people...half of them are going to die and not be replaced in the next 30 years?
i just do not see that happening...outside of plague, major disaster, or major war.

The Hippy said:

How about a half a billion dollar price on putin head? $500,000. might bring some crazies out of the wood work.
I pray daily for a perfectly placed bullet in his child murderer brain.

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Half a billion or half a million? Split the difference?

Famine is coming soon, china warned it's population last year to stock up on food, they can't keep the lights on,they have rolling blackouts from coal shortages.

China's largest open pit coal mine is also the worlds largest and it is almost empty, if they lost coal imports they would have to shut down their industry.

right now about 10 million a year die in China, from all causes. that number would have to almost double, starting today, for China's population to drop by half in 30 years...with a 0 repopulation rate...so yeah, not very likely

Energy shortages and the rising cost of it will shut down heavy industry around the globe, if you don't have domestic energy resources you're screwed. Turkey is on the verge of collapse because they can't pay for the natural gas imports to fuel their industry. It's looking like oil will go to $200 a barrel or more,poor countries can't afford it any more.

hanimmal said:

I really think we need to deal with the Saudi's soon. They are attacking our democracy as much as any other nation has been.

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With the US out of the middle east they will focus on their local hatreds, more than likely things will escalate with Iran. It's the same with the Taliban,with us gone they will turn on their neighbors, it's how the human race works.

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Putin does not give a F***. Probably sees the end of the cold war as a bad thing. Better to have Russia a fortress with government controlling the population than being tainted by the West.