What do you know about aliens?

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kpmarine

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Can truth not come from consistent subjective experiences?
Watch this video and tell me why subjective experiences aren't reliable. I have shown it to quite a few people and had them mess it up. The first time I saw it I messed it up, and I am known among my friends for being the guy who doesn't miss things. You'd be impressed at what you see when you're looking for it, and what you miss when you're not. [video=youtube;vJG698U2Mvo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo[/video]
 

guy incognito

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You dont think its possible that this viewpoint is blinding you from certain aspects of reality?

You gotta remember that I dont bash science, science is fucking dope, its just not the only way to discover what is true. Experience, learning from experience, and in some cases even practicing what you experience to reproduce the experience for yourself (Im talking about things you dont think are real btw) havent come close to reaching the last step yet. The "fallible mind" and any argument relating to that mental trickery, wishful thinking, or delusion is not convincing to me, especially considering what I've consistently experienced (lets not go through pointless bickering about my experiences again please...). But yeah, me, my group of friends, and according to my uncle whos a university professor, a community of spiritual people and many people around the world have experienced what I have and more, but thats still the vast minority so its subjective, so what? Can truth not come from consistent subjective experiences?

I think it is very closed minded just to stomp your feet and say "No! This is the only way! Look at what this has accomplished? Dont like it? Deal with it!". Hardly an attitude to have considering the title of this sub-forum and the philosophy you guys share that includes the rule of uncertainty which your way of thinking is apparently exempt from...
Translation:

I love science! Science is awesome and provides us with lots of knowledge and is a great way to find out about the world...until it conflicts with my preconceived notions of how things work. When that happens I will selectively disregard science and the scientific method in order to arrive at the conclusion that I want to.
 

guy incognito

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The more I think about it that is like someone in a math class saying that math is friggin awesome, and you can solve all these problems with numbers and variables. Until you get to a problem that you can't solve, so you disregard math and just make up your bullshit as to what the answer is and claim that math is good, but it's not the only road to the solution.
 

Padawanbater2

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The more I think about it that is like someone in a math class saying that math is friggin awesome, and you can solve all these problems with numbers and variables. Until you get to a problem that you can't solve, so you disregard math and just make up your bullshit as to what the answer is and claim that math is good, but it's not the only road to the solution.
They think science is a democracy. I hear it surprisingly often, actually two or three times in that clip I posted last week about the miss USA contestants on evolution. I wonder if any bulbs would turn on if you gave them this analogy.
 

Nevaeh420

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How do you see a "alien" if its wearing an "invisibility suit"?
I believe I answered this already. But at first the being was totally invisible. The reason why I was looking that way was because some of the leaves on a big tree were blowing too much, an anomaly. I got My BB gun and started watching a big tree but I couldnt see anything. After maybe 20 minutues of looking at the tree I saw a "big" "face" that just appeared out of what seemed to be nowhere. The face was translucent, I could sort of see through it. And in some spots, like the 2 "eyes" I COULD see right through it. I depicted the "faces" that I saw in My youtube video that I linked to you all.

But at first it was totally invisible, and than after many minutes of watching the tree, it appeared and became translucent, and it was letting light pass right through some spots. It was letting splashes of circles of light expand and contract within a second or so. The splashes of light were just letting light pass through the translucent "body".

Too bad it will be buried under Nevaeh's delusional, repetitive ramblings... I saw a being in an invisibility suit, I watched through my bb gun scope for 2 hours, I can't say for sure it was an alien, but this is how I know aliens have visited because I saw something that was invisible. I know for sure it was a being in an invisibility suit and not my mind playing tricks on me because I am in complete control of my mental faculties, my brain would never lie to me, Oh, BTW, I think I'm Christ....
Its a shame I have to repeat Myself so many times, huh? I'm not going to lie and conjure up dialog just to impress anyone. I'm going to tell it like it is, even if I have to repeat Myself. You can think I'm crazy but can you prove it?

I believed I witnessed one of the most rare and extraordinary phenomena, you bet your ass I'm going to talk about it. What else can I do about it besides talk about it? A man needs a vent some times.

You guys can try and undermine My encounter all you want, it doesnt change what happened that day. Just because I cant prove it, it doesnt mean that it didnt happen. There are lots of things that happened that cant be proven. The only way most things could be proven is if there were video cameas EVERYWHERE. And even if I did have a video of the encounter, some of you still wouldnt believe that either, you would say its a fake. I do wish I had a video and I know you guys would love to see it, but I'm sorry, I dont. Theres no way to get a video now of what happened about 10 months ago. And even if an alien showed up NOW at My house, I still dont have a video camea and I still wouldnt be able to provide evidence. It doesnt mean that I'm telling lies and/or delusional. It just means that an incredulous phenomena happened to Me and I didnt have a video camera to record it so I have no proof besides My testimony!

EDIT- Can you guys prove what YOU saw 10 months ago when there were no cameras around? Even if it REALLY did happen and its a fact? See, now thats how I feel... Even if I had the encounter YESTERDAY, I still wouldnt be able to prove it without a video (or maybe a souvenir from the being).

You guys can debunk a fact, though you try.

Oh, BTW, I think I'm Christ....

~PEACE~
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Why are you still saying "thats not how science works", I KNOW thats not how the scientific method works.
Okay; how does it work in your own words?
It seems you are completely blocked off to anything that differs from science in the slightest of ways, how can we work past this?
This is something that interests me. What science brings to the table is a procedure, "test me". that is why it deals with fact as opposed to truth. Simply defining truth becomes difficult, and without that, what would be a good test protocol for truth vs. all the rest?
You say "Show me something we've learned without science" and I would say things like souls,
I believe that "soul" is a very popular and deep misperception. If you can show me otherwise without resorting to subjective accounts from people other than myself, I remain interested. Until then, i challenge the truth of soul. In fact, I caution against the probability of the soul-concept being one of our dearest delusions.
the spirit aspect of dreams and lucid dreams etc and of course you'd say those things havent been proven to exist because science hasnt discovered them so in that case science doesnt believe in them. Your demand of providing something that science didnt discover just leads to a circular argument. You say "show me something that exists that science hasnt discovered". I show. you then say "NOPE, science hasnt discovered it, so it probably doesnt exist". You do see how ridiculous that is, right?

Its not like Im even trying to force something onto you man, just an idea that will broaden your view of reality and possibility. Its you whos trying to force a belief and saying "No! Look at this, the rules say this about that so we should discredit that entirely and not take anything relating to it seriously, thats final!". It seems very childish to me. Like a spoiled kid who wants things their way or the highway. Also, I agree that if this was a face to face discussion then things would go along more smoothly and a middle ground could actually be reached but with you it seems that middle ground just HAS to be near science...
I am open to possibility. However I am equally open to the possibility of falsehood ... consequential falsehood. So while I do not insist on science, i insist on something that has some of science's attributes: objectivity and test. Science is restricted to he world of the material. You bespeak immaterial topics, but I hold hope that they can still use objective sorts of reason to gain a handle, a way to sort grain from chaff. And boy is there a lot of chaff that stems from our simple eternal desperate human need for our existence to make sense. What if, when all the BS is refined away ... it just doesn't? Jmo. cn
 

Nevaeh420

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This is the best picture that I can find that depicts what I saw and what I mean by "translucent". I could see him, but only like an "translucent" silhouette. You would have had to seen it to believe it.










Its not exactly what I saw, but its close enough. The being that I saw, his eyes were not glowing. I believe the being that I saw was also laying down and not standing up like in the picture.

EDIT- Does this qualify as an "invisibility suit" to you?

I dont know what else to call it. This picture is pretty close to what I saw but not exactly.




~PEACE~
 

Nevaeh420

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;-)

I've seen animals in the woods too, but how do I prove that without a video or picture? You would just assume I'm telling the truth because seeing animals in the woods probable. But seeing an alien is NOT probable so you assume I did not. The key word there is ASSUME that I did not.

I met "Kid Rock" as a young teenager in My home town- Stoughton, he was getting out of a strip club late at night. So how would I prove that too? That too is a FACT that I can not prove because there is no evidence. But I'm still telling the truth. Or were My senses deluding Me?

~PEACE~
 

Heisenberg

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Science is not a democracy. A consensus in science does not mean that one side has more votes than the other. A consensus indicates simply that scientists have stopped arguing among themselves. It means ideas have been tested and retested, points have been raised and refuted, and faulty hypotheses have been abandoned. It means research has narrowed to avenues which continue to make sense. It's not a matter of lobbying the loudest for your opinion, it's a matter of breaking under the sheer weight of compelling evidence. A scientific consensus is not an agreement that an idea is right, it's an agreement that an idea has survived the process of science.


"The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views... which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering." – The Doctor (Tom Baker)
 

Heisenberg

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Its funny, its almost like you think science is the only way to find the truth lol
Your musings echo the mediocre mind of Sheldrake. Theories stand on three legs. The power to be tested/replicated, the power to explain, and the power to predict. When one or more of those legs aren't available, you can go the route of Sheldrake, Hancock and Chopra and say science is biased and unfair (my views are too sloppy for science), or you can go the way of Burzynski and Trudeau and say there is a conspiracy (my views are unfalsifiable), or you can go the way of Sylvia Browne and James Van Praagh and say your views do not function under skepticism (special pleading). When your views have no scientific merit then the only recourse is to dismiss science, yet you can not name one useful piece of knowledge about the world that came from anything other than scientific investigation.

"If you integrate fantasy with reality, you do not instantiate reality. If you mix cow pie with apple pie, it does not make the cow pie taste better; it makes the apple pie worse." – Mark Crislip
 

kpmarine

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;-)

I've seen animals in the woods too, but how do I prove that without a video or picture? You would just assume I'm telling the truth because seeing animals in the woods probable. But seeing an alien is NOT probable so you assume I did not. The key word there is ASSUME that I did not.

I met "Kid Rock" as a young teenager in My home town- Stoughton, he was getting out of a strip club late at night. So how would I prove that too? That too is a FACT that I can not prove because there is no evidence. But I'm still telling the truth. Or were My senses deluding Me?

~PEACE~
Make an extraordinary claim, expect to be questioned. If I saw a leprechaun, you bet your ass I'd expect people to question me when I told them.
 

Nevaeh420

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Make an extraordinary claim, expect to be questioned. If I saw a leprechaun, you bet your ass I'd expect people to question me when I told them.
Thats what I'm here for- to answer questions about My encounter. But I cant answer questions that I dont know. If I did than I would be a liar. I can only posit to the best of My abilitiy.

~PEACE~
 

Heisenberg

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Thats what I'm here for- to answer questions. But I cant answer questions that I dont know. If I did than I would be a liar.

~PEACE~
These are questions you should have asked yourself. How do I know what I saw was real? It is the question ANYONE who has an extraordinary subjective experience needs to ask themselves. You shouldn't be here to answer questions, you should be here to ask questions that would help you establish that what you saw was not a mistake of perception, memory and logic. You should be inquiring about the ways of self deception. What you have done is skip over that question and give yourself a pass, but that is not a decision you can make for the rest of us. Rather than establish that you had any sort of real experience, you have only demonstrated that you do not know how to properly navigate reality, which is why you are often asked if you are taking your medication. It's not what you saw that makes you seem foolish, it's how you react to skepticism.
 

mindphuk

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;-)

I've seen animals in the woods too, but how do I prove that without a video or picture? You would just assume I'm telling the truth because seeing animals in the woods probable. But seeing an alien is NOT probable so you assume I did not. The key word there is ASSUME that I did not.

I met "Kid Rock" as a young teenager in My home town- Stoughton, he was getting out of a strip club late at night. So how would I prove that too? That too is a FACT that I can not prove because there is no evidence. But I'm still telling the truth. Or were My senses deluding Me?

~PEACE~
Yeah, you are learning a little about epistemology. You have in your own way, applied the lesson, 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
No one doubts the existence of animals or Kid Rock. They are both real, verifiable things. So far, we have no evidence that such a thing as aliens and invisibility suits exist. You have claimed to have seen something, but even you have admitted you are not sure what it was, it could have been a human in some high-tech camouflage suit, right? In fact, you never actually saw someone remove the suit so you don't know it was actually a suit to begin with, it could have been an undiscovered animal. Since you never actually got to examine this suit or being and learn more about it, it is also possible that what you saw was not what you think you saw. Our brains fool us all of the time, I don't know why you are so resistant to accepting this fact.

If I told you I had bacon and eggs for breakfast, you probably would accept that since I have no reason to lie about it, but you have to accept the possibility that I am lying or that I forgot and really had the bacon and eggs yesterday but my brain switched the days on me. Did you know that every time we remember something and recall the details of events that occurred to us in the past that our brains actually reform new neural connections? What this means is that our memories are malleable which also makes them extremely fallible. The exact version of events that actually occurred about seeing the figure on the roof is almost certainly not what you currently remember. So not only do you not have any evidence to show us, you don't have the evidence to prove to yourself what it was you saw. If you can't be sure what you saw, why the hell should we just accept the first explanation that you came up with, that it was an alien in an invisibility suit?
 

Nevaeh420

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These are questions you should have asked yourself. How do I know what I saw was real? .
I highly doubt that what I saw was an illusion. I just know it was real because I saw it, unless I was tripping off of nothing. But if I was tripping off of nothing (I dont take hallucinogenics) than why wouldnt I see anything else out of the ordinary that day or any day for that matter? Why would My eyes be "tripping" just in one little spot on top of My neighbors roof? I didnt see anything strange anywhere else. Just that one spot that I was focusing the BB gun on. Never in My whole life have I seen anything like it before or since. The only other real crazy thing I saw was the UFOs in July 2 of 2012 or about a month prior to seeing the being.

It is the question ANYONE who has an extraordinary subjective experience needs to ask themselves..
Why is it subjective? It might seem subjective to you but objective to Me.

You shouldn't be here to answer questions, you should be here to ask questions that would help you establish that what you saw was not a mistake of perception, memory and logic..
Right, but I'm 100% sure that I saw a being, but you guys just want 100% proof too. I cant help give you evidence that I dont have. I would bet My life that there was a being there.

You should be inquiring about the ways of self deception. What you have done is skip over that question and give yourself a pass, but that is not a decision you can make for the rest of us. Rather than establish that you had any sort of real experience, you have only demonstrated that you do not know how to properly navigate reality, which is why you are often asked if you are taking your medication. It's not what you saw that makes you seem foolish, it's how you react to skepticism.
Do you believe I was decieved? I dont.

I know that its a crazy notion to propose, that I saw an alien. But I dont know how else to describe what I saw. It doesnt matter to Me if you guys beleive Me or not because it doesnt change what I saw. What else could it have been? The only other option I could think that it could potentially be is a human wearing a high tech "invisibility suit" that was working for the government.

Yeah, you are learning a little about epistemology. You have in your own way, applied the lesson, 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
No one doubts the existence of animals or Kid Rock. They are both real, verifiable things.
Right.

So far, we have no evidence that such a thing as aliens and invisibility suits exist.
I guess your right, WE dont have emperical evidence of aliens (but maybe the government does), but I do believe we have invisibility suits. The only invisibility technology that I have even seen in person was that being, but I have seen it online. I posted some videos in this thread.

You have claimed to have seen something, but even you have admitted you are not sure what it was, it could have been a human in some high-tech camouflage suit, right? .
Thats right. It could have been some human in a high tech camouflage suit, BUT it wasnt camouflage like snipers use. It was NOT a type of ghillie suit. It was something totally different than a ghillie suit. It could let light pass right through. It was completely invisible at first, even though I was looking at him with a 4 power scope from about 15 yards away. Than it made a "face" that I drew in the youtube video, with 2 eyes of letting light pass through. Than it was letting all sorts of circles of light splash through at random, but always on the "forhead" of the "face". Than that "face" went away and I saw the translucent being. It looked a little like the picture I posted from the movie Predator, the invisible alien.

In fact, you never actually saw someone remove the suit so you don't know it was actually a suit to begin with, it could have been an undiscovered animal. .
You make a very good point, I NEVER actually saw the being take of the suit so it COULD have not been a suit if he was born that way. It could have been an undiscovered animal, and it might very well be, but it was humanoid from what I saw. I can only ASSUME it was an alien because I dont know.

Since you never actually got to examine this suit or being and learn more about it, it is also possible that what you saw was not what you think you saw. Our brains fool us all of the time, I don't know why you are so resistant to accepting this fact.
Thats right, I never touched the suit or the being. I was inside of My house, laying/sitting on the bed, looking out a window to the adjacent houses roof. I know that I get fooled sometimes and My mind plays tricks on Me sometimes but do you think I would know this much detail if it didnt happen? What good would it do Me to type all this out just to play a trick on you guys? It seems like I'm the only one that getting laughed at anyways and I dont think its funny.

If I told you I had bacon and eggs for breakfast, you probably would accept that since I have no reason to lie about it, but you have to accept the possibility that I am lying or that I forgot and really had the bacon and eggs yesterday but my brain switched the days on me. Did you know that every time we remember something and recall the details of events that occurred to us in the past that our brains actually reform new neural connections? What this means is that our memories are malleable which also makes them extremely fallible. The exact version of events that actually occurred about seeing the figure on the roof is almost certainly not what you currently remember. So not only do you not have any evidence to show us, you don't have the evidence to prove to yourself what it was you saw. If you can't be sure what you saw, why the hell should we just accept the first explanation that you came up with, that it was an alien in an invisibility suit?
I dont remember every detail of what I saw that day because My brain doesnt record like a video camera does, but I do remember lots of it and I'm being very honest as to what I saw. It was some kind of person, human or alien, that has the best invisibility technology. It might have been an animal but arent humans animals too?

You guys dont need to believe Me, but I'm going to tell the truth, to the best of My abilities. I cant convince anyone, but no one can convince Me that I didnt see that being that had the ability to be invisible and translucent. But I'm just going to say that he (or she) was wearing, what I call, an invisibilty suit. But your right, I dont know if it was a suit or if the creature was born like that but I'm going to call it a suit because I dont know any animals that are similar.

~PEACE~
 

Nevaeh420

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What do I have to gain from lying to you all?

What do I have to gain from telling the truth to you all?

The only thing to gain is looking like a crazy. And what good does that do Me?

~PEACE~
 

tyler.durden

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What do I have to gain from lying to you all?

What do I have to gain from telling the truth to you all?
Social intercourse and the need to have someone believe you. If you had nothing to gain, you would not keep posting the same shit with no proof after everyone tells you they don't believe you. Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself? I'm guessing you don't have a ton of friends IRL...
The only thing to gain is looking like a crazy. And what good does that do Me?

~PEACE~
It must do something for you, why else go on and on about these things?
 
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