What is Your Opinion of the Pledge of Allegiance?

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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lopezri said:
Apparently there are a whole lot of stupid people on this web site anymore. If you all knew what you were talking about you would be loving every little bit of the United States. That's fine by me. Have your ignorance. One day there is going to be a reckoning. And I'm not talking about a religious reckoning, just a reckoning. Somehow. . . I think those that choose to deny the idea of a great nation that was founded on freedom of religion will be the first ones with their heads on the chopping blocks.

I've got an idea. . . maybe some of you should pick up a book and start reading something for once instead of just getting your ideas from the news networks and local news. Ignorance is bliss. . . until someone uses that ignorance against you.
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That seems a little contradictory to me.

Why would those that chose to accept "the idea of a great nation that was founded on freedom of religion" behead those that don't? I'm thinking you didn't mean that literally, but still, how bout an explanation. It would seem like those that value liberty and freedom to choose how to live ones own life, those very same values you spoke of in this post which most Americans hold high, would be the first to support such a position, like the one I have, in opposition to the pledge of allegiance.
 
Xrtnfx

Xrtnfx

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Padawanbater2 said:
That seems a little contradictory to me.

Why would those that chose to accept "the idea of a great nation that was founded on freedom of religion" behead those that don't? I'm thinking you didn't mean that literally, but still, how bout an explanation. It would seem like those that value liberty and freedom to choose how to live ones own life, those very same values you spoke of in this post which most Americans hold high, would be the first to support such a position, like the one I have, in opposition to the pledge of allegiance.
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Those Americans who value liberty and freedom of speech understand what went into obtaining it. Those who don't, take it for granted. Everyone who sits down for the pledge or the national anthem are like rich spoiled kids who blow all of daddy’s money. They give absolutely no thought into the hard work that went into obtaining the wealth, but they spend it without giving anything back. You see all these rights and don't even consider respecting those who fought for them.

Honestly, why in your mind is the pledge so bad?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Xrtnfx said:
Those Americans who value liberty and freedom of speech understand what went into obtaining it. Those who don't, take it for granted. Everyone who sits down for the pledge or the national anthem are like rich spoiled kids who blow all of daddy’s money. They give absolutely no thought into the hard work that went into obtaining the wealth, but they spend it without giving anything back. You see all these rights and don't even consider respecting those who fought for them.

Honestly, why in your mind is the pledge so bad?
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"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

I don't agree with what it says and I don't think our country honors it's message.

I would have no problem pledging my allegiance to the ideas and values the country once stood for. Today, it's essentially meaningless.

All American citizens do not have liberty, and one look at the prison system or our national drug laws illustrates clearly how much justice we receive.

 
Xrtnfx

Xrtnfx

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Padawanbater2 said:
Today, it's essentially meaningless.
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man, don't you get it yet? It's about respect. Why do you think people get pissed at you for sitting it out? People don't like watching ignorant punk kids disrespect those who gave them their comfy life. Honestly, I didn't like mowing the lawn or going to church when I was young, but I did it because I have respect for my parents. This boils down to some kid being selfish and overanalyzing something so simple.
Even at a football game I forgot to take off my hat for the national anthem when I was young. An old guy behind me made sure to correct that by taking it off, because it is disrespectful.

Padawanbater2 said:
All American citizens do not have liberty, and one look at the prison system or our national drug laws illustrates clearly how much justice we receive.

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Yeah, the prison system is exactly where I look for liberty. Seriously what is so bad about your life right now? National drug laws? So you disrespect people because you can't legally smoke weed in your state? Grow up, laws can be changed
You are taking your freedoms for granted. Why don't you take some time out every morning and see how life could be living anywhere else? Where would you rather live, honestly?
 
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Wordz

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I pledge allegiance to the flag
to rape the land
to bomb thousands of civilians
to put our brothers and sisters in prison for frivolous crimes
to love corporate interests
to import heroin
to run secret prisons
to data farm in the name of security
to send our soldiers to get blown up
 
Xrtnfx

Xrtnfx

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Wordz said:
I pledge allegiance to the flag
to rape the land
to bomb thousands of civilians
to put our brothers and sisters in prison for frivolous crimes
to love corporate interests
to import heroin
to run secret prisons
to data farm in the name of security
to send our soldiers to get blown up
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Put the bong down and get out of your parents basement... What a miserable person you come off as
 
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Wordz

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Mindmelted said:
Everything involves race with this person.

Very angry person,who most likely hates themselves also.
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Where was the race card in that? Does that stuff happen or not? Dude you're tryin to pull in shit that's not on subject. Of course you had to make an attack at me because you can't deny it. Once the personal attacks come in I've won you've lost. I'm legally entitled to sit through the pledge or anthem whenever I want.
 
Mindmelted

Mindmelted

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I see no personal attack.

Just a observation that others have made also.

Stop reaching dude,if you do not like the country get the fuck out.

Nobody will miss ya.
 
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Wordz

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who else said I was a very angry person, who most likely hates them self? naww I think that was you bro. nice try at a deflection. Whatever though your debate style is lame. Ridicule is a good way to win a debate, huh? So has your govt. bombed thousands of civilians? yes. Does your govt. have secret prisons? yes. Do we have the most prisoners in the world? yes.
 
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Wordz

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well there ya go it must be the truth. sorry about all that. just turned the flag upright and turned on fox news. you guys win. I going to go give a veteran a hand job too. You know to make up for all the disrespect I've given them and all the rest of the true mericans.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Wordz said:
well there ya go it must be the truth. sorry about all that. just turned the flag upright and turned on fox news. you guys win. I going to go give a veteran a hand job too. You know to make up for all the disrespect I've given them and all the rest of the true mericans.
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lulz...funniest thing i've read in a while, besides the monkey screwing the frog, and that wasn't reading,that was watching

edit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Z1wE8BYEM just for those who have not seen it
 
DelSlow

DelSlow

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I love this country. It is by far the best place to live. We have many freedoms that a lot of people take for granted. But I still think there are a lot of things that could be fixed. You can have your own opinions on what those problems are. We are not perfect. But if you can't admit that this is the best place to live your lives and be all that you can be, then GTFO.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Xrtnfx said:
man, don't you get it yet? It's about respect. Why do you think people get pissed at you for sitting it out? People don't like watching ignorant punk kids disrespect those who gave them their comfy life. Honestly, I didn't like mowing the lawn or going to church when I was young, but I did it because I have respect for my parents. This boils down to some kid being selfish and overanalyzing something so simple.
Even at a football game I forgot to take off my hat for the national anthem when I was young. An old guy behind me made sure to correct that by taking it off, because it is disrespectful.
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I don't see the world that way. To me, that's not respect. Anybody, any organization or group that demands respect doesn't deserve it. Respect is earned, not demanded and not given simply because society says it's right.

I was at my little sisters graduation recently, sitting in the stands during the ceremony and to open, they read the pledge. Everyone stood in unison and spoke in unison, and I couldn't stop thinking of this guy;



The pledge is much more than honoring the values the country once stood for. Shit like this has nothing to do with any of that.

One final though about respect; Respectful actions are proceeded with good intentions, disrespectful actions are the opposite, bad intentions. Respect is all about intentions. I can fully respect the country, the values, and what America stands for and still oppose party propaganda designed to paint some of us as patriots and others as tyrants - or in todays world, terrorists.

Yeah, the prison system is exactly where I look for liberty. Seriously what is so bad about your life right now? National drug laws? So you disrespect people because you can't legally smoke weed in your state? Grow up, laws can be changed
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You are taking your freedoms for granted. Why don't you take some time out every morning and see how life could be living anywhere else? Where would you rather live, honestly?
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It was an example to show you, compared to other places, America sees substantially less amounts of justice disguised as moral laws being upheld than in other places. Yes, much of the rest of the world is shit when it comes to justice and have outright corruption running rampant - but the citizens of those countries have the ability to fight back, because they know it exists. Here, corruption wears a badge and pounds a gavel. 1 in 100 citizens are behind bars. We have no ability to fight back because half the population is under the illusion that it's right. Consider marijuana laws - as we're on a pot growing forum - all of us know it's bullshit yet half, or likely even more than that, of the population of the United States still buys the propaganda. Exact same situation with our law and the American legal system.

Also, do you believe people should not be allowed to criticize the negative aspects of their environment and still reside there?
 
tinyTURTLE

tinyTURTLE

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A pledge of allegiance to a republic is a contradiction in terms. If the people are regarded as sovereign to whom specifically do they owe their loyalty? Is it those representatives whom they elect? It can’t be, because it is the representatives who owe loyalty to the people. They are the servants. It can only be an oath to the body of citizens themselves. Individuals subjugating themselves to the collective. This is the very essence of socialism.

very well put.
 
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