Bublonichronic
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Sorry, but why won't it work for THC by will for THCA? THCA releases" solvent more easily? I'm confused, I should t have droped outa high school ahha
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qwizoking
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There's really no arguing it wont...unless the national center for biotechnology information is lying....no wait that's it, it must be a conspiracy....but then howhave I and so many others made it
My uncle lol dropped out of high school... he makes more money than me, taught himself Linux then began working on computers to designing them...works at dell now... I don't know what that has to do with anything, cool story though... ironically I can barely work a computer
My uncle lol dropped out of high school... he makes more money than me, taught himself Linux then began working on computers to designing them...works at dell now... I don't know what that has to do with anything, cool story though... ironically I can barely work a computer
Please take it easy, relax.
I have to be antagonistic to prevent the spread of false allegations.
You said several times that you are not experienced in the decarboxylation, but describe the observation associated with decarboxylation and you can not give it a proper explanation.
This chart I posted in my thread on another forum a few years ago, when I was fascinated by the process, and in particular the consistency on the degree of decarboxylation.
qwizoking
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I am very experienced in decarbing? I said its counterproductive in a product meant to be smoked...you do not have to be, you should simply ask questions where you don't understand because I assure you, if it came out of my mouth I have studies and full confidence in its accuracy.....I have not described any observations of it, but if you feel I was unable to give a proper explanation, point out what your confused about and I will try to simplify it for you as decarbing is very basic... but we weren't talking about decarbing so I'm still confused why you brought it up
Without going into theoretical details, try to take advantage of the graph and decarboxylate one of your brittle crystalline solid extracts.
You'll see how allocated bubbles of CO2, and after cooling the extract will cease to be solid and will always be thick and viscous resin.
This is the process of preparing the extract to the oral reception when THCa goes to the THC.
qwizoking
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I know what decarbing is.. so your saying the link I provided showing crystallized thc..not thca.. was lying?
What happens if you decarb before making the hash oil and then you freeze the supersaturated solvent and reduce atmospheric pressure.....hmmmm I believe you've just made a crystal
What happens if you decarb before making the hash oil and then you freeze the supersaturated solvent and reduce atmospheric pressure.....hmmmm I believe you've just made a crystal
No, obviously not. I said after you that you are NOT experienced.
Yes, it is very basic and that is why I insist on proper understanding.
Because on my words
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But it can not, and the key is in decarboxylation.
Sadly the link doesn't open, but.. maybe typo, or they do not pay attention.
Stop believing in this, there will be thick resin , no crystals.
qwizoking
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Look at the pic.. its a crystal directly from ncbi of thc not thca......Alright guys I'm out.. my info is out there for everything i/we have discussed..or anyone can pm me if for whatever reason they want my specific input..
I don't have the time nor the energy to go back and forth with you
Link works for me... try Googling the link.....I've made it several times... you are a troll... its official in my opinion.
Δ 9 -tetrahydrocannabinol prepared as described herein may be re-crystallized one or more times according to the
methods disclosed, to provide crystalline trans-(±)-Δ 9 -tetrahydrocannabinol of a desired purity of at least 95%,at least 98%, at least 99%, at least 99.5% or at least 99.9% by weight (depending on process) ..... quoted from the patent.. thc makes a crystal just fine. If you heat it, it will melt of course but you can re crystallize it under proper conditions
I don't have the time nor the energy to go back and forth with you
Link works for me... try Googling the link.....I've made it several times... you are a troll... its official in my opinion.
Δ 9 -tetrahydrocannabinol prepared as described herein may be re-crystallized one or more times according to the
methods disclosed, to provide crystalline trans-(±)-Δ 9 -tetrahydrocannabinol of a desired purity of at least 95%,at least 98%, at least 99%, at least 99.5% or at least 99.9% by weight (depending on process) ..... quoted from the patent.. thc makes a crystal just fine. If you heat it, it will melt of course but you can re crystallize it under proper conditions
You're talking about this article “Crystallization of Δ1-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) synthase from Cannabis sativa
with a photo of yellow crystals (Crystals of THCA synthase. )? - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1952348/
PMC1952348 this ID is only readable in the link you sent, check it plz
qwizoking
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"The present invention is directed to a new cannabinoid active pharmaceutical ingredient comprising crystalline trans-(±)-Δ 9 -tetrahydrocannabinol. The present invention is further directed to pharmaceutical compositions and improved dosage forms that are formed with crystalline trans-(±)-Δ 9 -tetrahydrocannabinol. The present invention is also directed toward methods for treating or preventing a condition such as, inter alia, pain, emesis, loss of appetite or weight loss comprising administering a dosage form of the present invention to a patient in need of such treatment or prevention."
"Δ 9 -tetrahydrocannabinol could be useful, including somatic pain, chronic pain, neuropathic pain,inflammation, muscle spasticity including that associated with spinal cord injury and multiple sclerosis, movement disorders including dystonia, Parkinson's disease, Huntington's disease, and Tourette's syndrome, migraine headache, epilepsy, and Alzheimer's disease. In addition to identifying such medical applications for marijuana and/or trans-(-)-Δ 9 -tetrahydrocannabinol, that report emphasized the need for rapid-onset, non-smoked, safe, and reliable cannabinoid delivery systems" that a crystalline product will provide
The term "THC" has been used in the literature to refer to the optically- active, water-insoluble, lipophilic resinous material identified either as Δ 9 -THC or Δ 1 -THC,depending on whether the numbering system is based upon that used for pyran or monoterpinioid compounds" thc not thca
https://www.google.com/patents/EP2279735A2?cl=en
Now as I said... Thc does indeed crystallize like pretty much all substances and has been subject of many studies for preparation of nasal sprays and inhalers etc. There are a few patents out on it in fact...as my previous quote states a racemic mix upwards of 2/3l-thc will crystallize also will thc subjected to certain crystallization techniques. sublimation, evapping suoersaturated solvent under certain conditions most common with seeding possibly using the dextrorotatory but not necessary , it definitely forms a poly crystalline structure and I have included pics in the iso thread of what it looks like..is abad pic though
Thc the psychologically active l-thc does crystallize... I apologize if the link no longer works there's nothing I can do about it, but still understand that it came from a legitimate source
I don't know why you think it won't crystallize but it can and does. Many people have made it, if I could upload pics I would show you mine as well as others.. if you look around.d you can find many pics of powdered hash oil that's essentially crystallized hash oil forming as solvent evaps. It forms on the sides of dishes as well
I don't know why you have attempted to discredit or otherwise disprove what I'm saying. With your 30 something posts it seems you've spent a good amount here, yet you have contributed nothing. You are here merely to discount what I say....
Anyway I was just hoping to clear whatever confusion you have or may have caused
"Δ 9 -tetrahydrocannabinol could be useful, including somatic pain, chronic pain, neuropathic pain,inflammation, muscle spasticity including that associated with spinal cord injury and multiple sclerosis, movement disorders including dystonia, Parkinson's disease, Huntington's disease, and Tourette's syndrome, migraine headache, epilepsy, and Alzheimer's disease. In addition to identifying such medical applications for marijuana and/or trans-(-)-Δ 9 -tetrahydrocannabinol, that report emphasized the need for rapid-onset, non-smoked, safe, and reliable cannabinoid delivery systems" that a crystalline product will provide
The term "THC" has been used in the literature to refer to the optically- active, water-insoluble, lipophilic resinous material identified either as Δ 9 -THC or Δ 1 -THC,depending on whether the numbering system is based upon that used for pyran or monoterpinioid compounds" thc not thca
https://www.google.com/patents/EP2279735A2?cl=en
Now as I said... Thc does indeed crystallize like pretty much all substances and has been subject of many studies for preparation of nasal sprays and inhalers etc. There are a few patents out on it in fact...as my previous quote states a racemic mix upwards of 2/3l-thc will crystallize also will thc subjected to certain crystallization techniques. sublimation, evapping suoersaturated solvent under certain conditions most common with seeding possibly using the dextrorotatory but not necessary , it definitely forms a poly crystalline structure and I have included pics in the iso thread of what it looks like..is abad pic though
Thc the psychologically active l-thc does crystallize... I apologize if the link no longer works there's nothing I can do about it, but still understand that it came from a legitimate source
I don't know why you think it won't crystallize but it can and does. Many people have made it, if I could upload pics I would show you mine as well as others.. if you look around.d you can find many pics of powdered hash oil that's essentially crystallized hash oil forming as solvent evaps. It forms on the sides of dishes as well
I don't know why you have attempted to discredit or otherwise disprove what I'm saying. With your 30 something posts it seems you've spent a good amount here, yet you have contributed nothing. You are here merely to discount what I say....
Anyway I was just hoping to clear whatever confusion you have or may have caused
Bublonichronic
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Does this count as crystalized? I was wondering if I could snort this,lol...it's hard at room temp and can be crushed pretty fine..
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qwizoking
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Lol no you can't snort it but technically it is a crystal ..." No suggestions so maybe someone over here will help "I was thinking of adding a polymer/ cyclodextrin carrier or encapsulating with a hydrophillic membrane etc. I've found several people making a racemic powder upwards of 2/3 l-thc crystallizing at room temp, I wonder if I could make a hash product suitable for insufflation ..methylated b-cyclodextrin can only hold 1mg of thc per 25mg....also been thinking about atime released thc pill, I've seen some that release over 3 weeks,that's craziness, but I'm bored and figure I'll try andmake something cool... maybe I'll try and do something the average Joe can do, like a time released bees wax/lecithen formulation..Idon't know , hopefully I end up with something cool and doesn't cut potency too much.........any ideas?"
For it to absorb into your mucous membranes it must be more water soluble. You can do a micro encapsulation/ emulsion..attaching a cyclodextrin carrier will allow it to pass. Methylated-b has the lowest molecular size and won't block thc from being absorbed, a polymer addition will increase absorption. But this is a huge topic.. making a lipophillic substance hydrophillic...
For it to absorb into your mucous membranes it must be more water soluble. You can do a micro encapsulation/ emulsion..attaching a cyclodextrin carrier will allow it to pass. Methylated-b has the lowest molecular size and won't block thc from being absorbed, a polymer addition will increase absorption. But this is a huge topic.. making a lipophillic substance hydrophillic...
Bublonichronic
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Ok dont snort it...I don't really understand the rest sorry...buut, interesting shit
qwizoking
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Lol basically you got a soap like compound, water loving/attaching and fat loving. You introduce it to thc, its only able to absorb or attatch some of the thc to itself relative to its size.. an encapsulation could be done by crystallizing thc in this "soapy" solution either through evap or ph fluctuation . When it precipitates it has a film encapsulating it.. this is how we prepare time released medications as well. But the layer is either slow dissolving or allows a steady permeation of thc giving a controlled dosage, over a bees wax lecithin mix.. which can easily be made at home....its really cool though, cyclodextrins are shaped like cones, think ice cream cone and they have a hydrophillic exterior but the inside of the ice cream cone loves fat, equal to ethanol, and will suck in the thc molecule allowing it to be dragged wherever the water loving cyclodextrin wants.......I'm probly the only one who thinks that's cool though....but it has a huge implication in pharmaceuticals, drug carriers are becoming increasingly common and in some cases part of the drug..
Bublonichronic
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Wait, So kinda like turning dmt into dmt furmate?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12506186/fpart/all/vc/1
qwizoking
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Yup pretty much.. here's a link.. skip the words lol its got some good pics... even some crystal thc
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38021
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38021