WTF am I doing wrong?

Killaki

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You're kool dude. The leaves are still cupping up, but they aren't sagging and sad as much. The first set is, but the rest isn't. I'm understanding a little better now.
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If you are still up to helping me a bit, can we talk watering from this point?
You said letting the top get dry the way I was doing it should be fixed. How do I determine when it's time to add more water? When you say moist, what are we talking? In my mind, it means kind of like chocolate cake.
Would I be better off taking a more scientific route and weigh the pots wet and dry (I can weigh a dry pot with extra soil I have), then water when it hits a certain weight? I read something that I think said maybe 25% or 35% or 50% of wet weight. I'll find it again to be sure.
I don't want to abandon these plants unless I seriously fuck them up, and I've done worse before and smoked decent bud. I will if I should tho. I have plenty of seeds and am willing to break eggs lol.
As far as by touch, and if you have good drainage, it's going to look dry but when you stick your finger in it will be moist right under the surface. Like not dry but not even close to wet, it will feel cool to the touch... Hard to explain. But once it actually starts to feel dry to the touch then water. Don't wait for it to fully dry out. If you have good drainage the water won't be held below so much so you won't have to try to fight the wetness. Basically have a balanced soil and shoot for a balanced moisture content, trying not to hit either extreme dry/wet. MOIST. You'll probably have to water at different intervals than you're used to. Not oily like cake tho ;-)
 

vostok

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Two 100W (draw) and a recently added 150W HPS.
Battling humidity... I can't get it above 30% (currently 21%). Running a warm mist humidifier outside the tent and a 5 gallon bucket with towel inside.
It's miracle grow (yeah.... I know)
Been watering when the soil is dry and inch or so deep.
Temperature was staying around 72° with lights on, and now I'm sitting at 82° with the added HPS.
The plant on the left is one day older than the plant on the left, and the little guy is 10 days old. The two are about three weeks.
Been watering with tap water. I haven't been adjust sting pH because of what people say in here. I'm going to start dialing it down next waterings because I feel I should. Tap pH is 7.5, 45 ppm.
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150w hps is a total waste is more heat than light min is 250w but ideal is 600w

water by lifting the pot ...think ...then water or not

adjust the Ph or at least get and hold 6.5 (thats the norm) regardless of the kiddies on here say 45ppm in nth merica is good

good luck
 

Soul Dwella

Member
I'm using Miracle-Gro, I use the blue bag one, "moisture control." No problems at all with it.

I use fabric pots and bottom watering, which Leads to the top half of my pots being "bone dry", plants don't care one bit, because the roots are all in the bottom half, kinda funny cause I keep seeing people say this is bad... my experience is the total opposite... I just read the plants.

Also using Miracle-Gro plant food 24-8-16 in veg and bloom 15-30-15 in flower. Been told this is wrong too, but my plants say otherwise, they are happy and the two mothers in veg require super cropping regularly to keep em in check. The one flowering is 6 weeks in... no complaints.

Funny thing... I searched it all up when I was starting out, right away you see lots of posts of users saying Miracle-Gro is bad or will kill your plants... but they never have any supporting data, just regurgitate that it's slow release nutes .... omg... the horror.., which means it's just opinion, because there are also lots of users using it with no issues, myself included. I have supporting data, big beautiful plants, and lots of pictures.

The only problem with it? ... it has bugs, Mostly fungus gnats. Easily defeated with my bottom watering and fabric pots.

I learned from reading thousands of posts on this site, and other sites, watching hours and hours of YouTube from growers, and of course just by "reading" the plants.

I also use MarsHydro lights... again, a quick search has lots saying they are junk, and lots saying they are good...so who's right? ..... my plants are doing just fine, that's how I'll judge it.

Let me present a question
- do you have a commercial grade kitchen, that you require for daily usage which includes a freezer and cooler, line cook station, deep fryer, high pressure dishwasher? Do you meal prep every moring for the entire day? How about bathroom with commercial grade urinals and sinks/faucets? How about your backyard? Do you own commercial grade ride on lawn mower just to mow your lawn, then a 5 ton green drop water truck to feed it?

Pretty sure the answer is no for those of us doing a 1 or 2 tent personal grow of a couple plants right?

So why the Frick do people think you need commercial grade equipment, methods, nutes to grow a personal home grow of a couple plants?

IMHO you don't. It's a waste of money.

Lots of pics in my journal using Miracle-Gro and MarsHydro.


P R E A C H!!!!!!! *LIKES THIS POST*
 

Ulf

Active Member
"Like not dry but not even close to wet, it will feel cool to the touch"
I know exactly what you mean here.
 

Ulf

Active Member
150w hps is a total waste is more heat than light min is 250w but ideal is 600w

water by lifting the pot ...think ...then water or not

adjust the Ph or at least get and hold 6.5 (thats the norm) regardless of the kiddies on here say 45ppm in nth merica is good

good luck
Gotcha. Except that last part. I have removed the HPS.
 

Ulf

Active Member
I suck at watering so...
My new setup.
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I got some Brut Super Soil (they have excellent reviews for their Worm Castings)
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The root ball still has the Miracle-Gro. It may mess up the SS (?), but they look happier to me.
I'll start training soon.
 

JimmiP

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Well you have gotten a lot of advice and a good portion of it has been good.

I would however suggest that you were better off at 82f with the hps than you are at 72f without. Especially with leds. I would just switch to a 600w hps (as someone else suggested. Weather you use the 600 or stick with the leds, add a heater with an environmental controller. Inkbird makes inexpensive models. 72 lights on will leave the plants too cold during lights off.

The warm mist humidifier would be better off in the tent. And then, run on a controller too.again inkbirds are cheap and do both jobs in the same model.

If your lights on temps are at 72 with only led lighting, your plants are going to have issues with phosphorus, magnesium and potassium uptake. Especially with low humidity and cold roots.

Which leads to my next suggestion... lift those pots and catch basins on off of the floor. Your plants will thank you for it. Cold root zones make for unhappy plants...
Good luck friend!
 

JimmiP

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No it isn't.
Xstasho is kinda right. There are a whole lot of people on you tube, who should just buy pot,,, and never try to teach anyone, anything, (especially about cannabis) ever.... That being said there are some smart folk out there too. :bigjoint:
 

Ulf

Active Member
4 is all I can have without it being more than a slap on the wrist if the worst should happen. Chances are slim, but I'm paranoidish.

The bucket was a panic move, but it has helped. It will have to go away before I flower.

I added a space heater to the room. With just the LEDs, my lights on temperature is 77°F with my humidity sitting right at 50% without the humidifier. I'm probably going to still use the HPS when flower is in full swing. I like it. I have a timer I'll use for the heater to keep day and nite temperatures from getting too far apart.

Is an inch or two off of the floor sufficient? I'm not really going to train much.more than tying the shoots to the edge of the pots.

I've never had more than one plant in a 32"x32" tent. I really don't know how to make 3 or 4 plants fill a 4'x4' tent. Hell... I never really made one fill the small tent.

It's a process, and my process is chaos. I'll get there tho.

This disaster was thrown together with planning that... there really wasn't any lol. It's not going to finish top ten, but I'll get a few ounces to smoke while I apply the advice and criticism that I've gotten here to a grow that will be much better.

Have bountiful harvests y'all. I'll share the results of mine.
 

JimmiP

Well-Known Member
4 is all I can have without it being more than a slap on the wrist if the worst should happen. Chances are slim, but I'm paranoidish.

The bucket was a panic move, but it has helped. It will have to go away before I flower.

I added a space heater to the room. With just the LEDs, my lights on temperature is 77°F with my humidity sitting right at 50% without the humidifier. I'm probably going to still use the HPS when flower is in full swing. I like it. I have a timer I'll use for the heater to keep day and nite temperatures from getting too far apart.

Is an inch or two off of the floor sufficient? I'm not really going to train much.more than tying the shoots to the edge of the pots.

I've never had more than one plant in a 32"x32" tent. I really don't know how to make 3 or 4 plants fill a 4'x4' tent. Hell... I never really made one fill the small tent.

It's a process, and my process is chaos. I'll get there tho.

This disaster was thrown together with planning that... there really wasn't any lol. It's not going to finish top ten, but I'll get a few ounces to smoke while I apply the advice and criticism that I've gotten here to a grow that will be much better.

Have bountiful harvests y'all. I'll share the results of mine.
Yeah, an inch or two will work. Just some wooden 2x2s or closed cell foam strips work fine. It just keeps the floor from sucking heat out of the root zone.
 

m4s73r

Well-Known Member
I'm using Miracle-Gro, I use the blue bag one, "moisture control." No problems at all with it.

I use fabric pots and bottom watering, which Leads to the top half of my pots being "bone dry", plants don't care one bit, because the roots are all in the bottom half, kinda funny cause I keep seeing people say this is bad... my experience is the total opposite... I just read the plants.

Also using Miracle-Gro plant food 24-8-16 in veg and bloom 15-30-15 in flower. Been told this is wrong too, but my plants say otherwise, they are happy and the two mothers in veg require super cropping regularly to keep em in check. The one flowering is 6 weeks in... no complaints.

Funny thing... I searched it all up when I was starting out, right away you see lots of posts of users saying Miracle-Gro is bad or will kill your plants... but they never have any supporting data, just regurgitate that it's slow release nutes .... omg... the horror.., which means it's just opinion, because there are also lots of users using it with no issues, myself included. I have supporting data, big beautiful plants, and lots of pictures.

The only problem with it? ... it has bugs, Mostly fungus gnats. Easily defeated with my bottom watering and fabric pots.

I learned from reading thousands of posts on this site, and other sites, watching hours and hours of YouTube from growers, and of course just by "reading" the plants.

I also use MarsHydro lights... again, a quick search has lots saying they are junk, and lots saying they are good...so who's right? ..... my plants are doing just fine, that's how I'll judge it.

Let me present a question
- do you have a commercial grade kitchen, that you require for daily usage which includes a freezer and cooler, line cook station, deep fryer, high pressure dishwasher? Do you meal prep every moring for the entire day? How about bathroom with commercial grade urinals and sinks/faucets? How about your backyard? Do you own commercial grade ride on lawn mower just to mow your lawn, then a 5 ton green drop water truck to feed it?

Pretty sure the answer is no for those of us doing a 1 or 2 tent personal grow of a couple plants right?

So why the Frick do people think you need commercial grade equipment, methods, nutes to grow a personal home grow of a couple plants?

IMHO you don't. It's a waste of money.

Lots of pics in my journal using Miracle-Gro and MarsHydro.


This. I deal with elderly growers who grow on their back decks with Miracle gro all the time. Works fine.
 

MY OWN DANK

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Depends on the plant, the room, the temp, the humidity, the light..... it's specific to yours, so my numbers won't really work for you.

My mother's are in 5 gallon fabric pots, 60% filled with soil, they take 8 cups every 3 days atm.

I have clones in 1 gallon fabric pots, 80% filled, 4-5 nodes of growth, 2 cups of water, going 2 weeks and not needing more yet.

You have to read the plant, and yes even 5 clones of the same plant, each one can have its different timings.

@Killaki please provide some data proving "Miracle-Gro will kill your plants," as I cannot find any.

Please look at my Miracle-Gro grown plants and explain why they are not dying?

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This one I grew outside last summer, turned out to be a male, but its Miracle-Gro (same as the flowers on my fence) and all I did was water it. That's a 10 gallon pot fyi, and it grew to 5 feet before I chopped it.
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That grass is perfect....nice plant too...everything's so green....

Man last time I ate shrooms my buddy's yard was so green...like neon green...and it moved n rippled with geometric shapes...ha
 
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