Trump is the iceberg, the Democratic party is the Titanic, and progressives are the lifeboat

[Padawanbater2]

You don't have a solution. I don't know why you keep talking about this.

Republicans aren't going to change campaign finance laws so, the only path for now is to stymie them and work to get them out of office.

You say Democrats won't. But Sanders is working with Democrats to do just that. The amendment to repeal Citizen's United that Bernie tried to get through congress in 2015 was voted for unanimously by Democratic Congressmen it failed on equally united GOP votes against. Last year, Clinton campaigned with repeal of Citizen's United. I don't see how your belief lines up with facts.

"Stop taking corporate bribes, turn to the voters and give them actual progressive policy to vote for"

That is the only solution

I don't believe you have to accept corporate bribes to win elections

If the Democratic party openly and transparently refused to accept anything other than small contributions from individual donors, they would immediately gain a huge amount of support from working-class voters. Republicans take no issue accepting corporate campaign contributions because their constituents largely don't see it as a problem, the narrative being "money = speech". Democratic constituents do care about that, so when establishment Democrats do it they lose support. So in other words, in this aspect, accepting corporate campaign contributions can actually be negative for a Democratic politician. Republicans can take as much as is offered, Democrats can't because it's bad for their public image, so by doing so, they effectively handicap themselves.

Establishment Democrats benefit just as much from the current system as Republicans. They have no interest in actually reforming it. Remember what Andrew Tobias said about garnering big money donors to the Democratic party because it'll be the party they'll make the most money in?

 

[ttystikk]

It's a nice thought pada, but I don't think 'shaming' is an effective strategy.

You couldn't shame those who preach fake news. They're on an entirely different level.

You notice how many talk radio stations are conservative? People listen to and believe that shit.

As far as Manchin, he's from W.Va. isn't he? Land of the coal? I'd rather see him there than an R.

Maybe living in nice liberal Cali makes you think other states could be like that. Most republicans here call me a communist. I had a guy go insane because we had 7 Obama signs in my yard in 2012.

It's just not that easy. If it was, Trump wouldn't have squeaked through to the presidency.

On the bright side, we continue to get more votes nationally, not that it helps much. But it does prove the majority nationwide leans a little left. But those critical pockets of republicans in their gerrymandered areas continue to fuck things up.

Who said anything about easy?

I think that once people start listening to policy the Progressive party would gain enormous momentum.

 

[ttystikk]

You don't have a solution. I don't know why you keep talking about this.

Republicans aren't going to change campaign finance laws so, the only path for now is to stymie them and work to get them out of office.

You say Democrats won't. But Sanders is working with Democrats to do just that. The amendment to repeal Citizen's United that Bernie tried to get through congress in 2015 was voted for unanimously by Democratic Congressmen it failed on equally united GOP votes against. Last year, Clinton campaigned with repeal of Citizen's United. I don't see how your belief lines up with facts.

Yet we debate these things with an open mind and a good nature. It's nice to have honest disagreements about policy without descending into identity politics or name calling.

I just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate that.

 

[ttystikk]

"Stop taking corporate bribes, turn to the voters and give them actual progressive policy to vote for"

That is the only solution

I don't believe you have to accept corporate bribes to win elections

If the Democratic party openly and transparently refused to accept anything other than small contributions from individual donors, they would immediately gain a huge amount of support from working-class voters. Republicans take no issue accepting corporate campaign contributions because their constituents largely don't see it as a problem, the narrative being "money = speech". Democratic constituents do care about that, so when establishment Democrats do it they lose support. So in other words, in this aspect, accepting corporate campaign contributions can actually be negative for a Democratic politician. Republicans can take as much as is offered, Democrats can't because it's bad for their public image, so by doing so, they effectively handicap themselves.

Establishment Democrats benefit just as much from the current system as Republicans. They have no interest in actually reforming it. Remember what Andrew Tobias said about garnering big money donors to the Democratic party because it'll be the party they'll make the most money in?

 

[Fogdog]

"Stop taking corporate bribes, turn to the voters and give them actual progressive policy to vote for"

That is the only solution

I don't believe you have to accept corporate bribes to win elections

If the Democratic party openly and transparently refused to accept anything other than small contributions from individual donors, they would immediately gain a huge amount of support from working-class voters. Republicans take no issue accepting corporate campaign contributions because their constituents largely don't see it as a problem, the narrative being "money = speech". Democratic constituents do care about that, so when establishment Democrats do it they lose support. So in other words, in this aspect, accepting corporate campaign contributions can actually be negative for a Democratic politician. Republicans can take as much as is offered, Democrats can't because it's bad for their public image, so by doing so, they effectively handicap themselves.

Establishment Democrats benefit just as much from the current system as Republicans. They have no interest in actually reforming it. Remember what Andrew Tobias said about garnering big money donors to the Democratic party because it'll be the party they'll make the most money in?

Your first sentence is a slogan, not a solution. It's a big world Pada. Because you don't call the shots you have to work with others to achieve that goal. Sanders knows this. Anybody who ever got something difficult done knows this.

The Democratic Party is not going to unilaterally disarm in the face of super pacs sending billions to support their opponents. They rightfully see how this could ruin their chances of unseating the bastards. They voted with Sanders to repeal Citizens United in 2015, which was the only path that could lead to multilaterally ending campaign funding by corporations and the 1%.

Sanders submitted legislation to repeal Citizens United which would open the way to banning super pacs, corporate money, limit campaign donations and achieve what you say in your slogan. Sanders has a solution. You have a soap box slogan and people scurry by you, avoiding eye contact.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Your first sentence is a slogan, not a solution. It's a big world Pada. Because you don't call the shots you have to work with others to achieve that goal. Sanders knows this. Anybody who ever got something difficult done knows this.

The Democratic Party is not going to unilaterally disarm in the face of super pacs sending billions to support their opponents. They rightfully see how this could ruin their chances of unseating the bastards. They voted with Sanders to repeal Citizens United in 2015, which was the only path that could lead to multilaterally ending campaign funding by corporations and the 1%.

Sanders submitted legislation to repeal Citizens United which would open the way to banning super pacs, corporate money, limit campaign donations and achieve what you say in your slogan. Sanders has a solution. You have a soap box slogan and people scurry by you, avoiding eye contact.

Sad thing is most Bernie Babies don't understand why he does the things he does.

He pulled in behind Hillary because she had better numbers but held the power of King-maker because of his minority but still large support.

Yet alot of his people abstained or voted for him anyway and don't realise the power they took directly from his hand.

With Hillary as President and a Liberal leaning Supreme Court, Citizens United had a good chance of being repealed.

 

[tangerinegreen555]

Sad thing is most Bernie Babies don't understand why he does the things he does.

He pulled in behind Hillary because she had better numbers but held the power of King-maker because of his minority but still large support.

Yet alot of his people abstained or voted for him anyway and don't realise the power they took directly from his hand.

With Hillary as President and a Liberal leaning Supreme Court, Citizens United had a good chance of being repealed.

I repeatedly said the Supreme Court was the big prize before the election.


I didn't give a flying fuck whether you liked Hillary or not.


It was the Supreme Court, stupid(s)!

 

[Fogdog]

Portland anarchists respond to white classist Bernie crybabies

Many of the critiques we have received from the left have said we should be tearing the streets up, rather than paving them,” PARC told HuffPost. “We find this view ableist, classist and antisocial. To us, anarchy is about building community and creating networks of solidarity and mutual aid.”

Anarchists In Portland Are Fighting The System By Fixing Potholes
https://www.rollitup.org/t/trump-is-the-iceberg-the-democratic-party-is-the-titanic-and-progressives-are-the-lifeboat.936170/page-4#post-13414489

 

[Padawanbater2]

Maybe Pada was one of those kids who always got what he wanted as a kid by crying?

I dunno. Learning to live with people who think and act differently than me was, I thought, part of being an adult. He's what? 29 or something? How did he get that old and retain the childish idea everybody is like himself? Or gain such an incredible sense of self confidence without any real accomplishment? From what he says, it's not as if he's a mover and shaker in his community.

I worked for a long time in big corporation. More than a hundred thousand of employees worldwide. Had to learn to work with people who didn't always agree with me. When I was wrong they helped me to the path. When they were wrong, I still had to learn what and why they thought so that I could help them. Learning to listen is an important skill. Accepting differences that don't matter is too.

you and I figured it out. It's not as simple as giving a speech, is it?

I cited national polls conducted by Pew Research and Gallup showing most Americans support the policy positions Sanders supports. Things like universal healthcare and funding for scientific and medical research are objectively beneficial for the US.

So they're good for the country and most Americans support them

American politics has been this way for a long time, why would continuing the same system of corporate influence controlling government policy change anything?

Americans oppose incrementalism, they support actual change in the way our government is operating. They voted for radical change in the past 3 presidential elections. So it would seem pretty clear to me mosts Americans agree with me, your position of gradual change that don't actually affect people in any significant way is the minority position to hold. You just lost the election pushing that message and yet you still believe it to be a winning strategy, why?

We're going to find out who's right sooner or later. Establishment Democrats have total control over the direction of the party at the moment, so if moderates are right, Democrats should pick up seats in government, which shouldn't be too hard considering the circumstances. Let's see if Perez' strategy of courting big money donors pays off in 2018 and 2020.

 

[UncleBuck]

I cited national polls conducted by Pew Research and Gallup showing most Americans support the policy positions Sanders supports. Things like universal healthcare

that was on our ballot. failed 80-20. and we're a blue state. voted for bernie over hillary in the primary.

 

[SouthCross]

We're all fu¢ked. Get ready to fight over bull$hit made up differences.

4th turning. I love you brother. *Pulls trigger.

We'll both meet in heaven.

 

[cool2burn]

What he should've done was just went a head and added the progressives to the list of pussies safe space anyone?

 

[Unclebaldrick]

What he should've done was just want to head and added the progressives to the list of pussies safe space anyone?

What the fuck are you on about, infant?

 

[UncleBuck]

What he should've done was just want to head and added the progressives to the list of pussies safe space anyone?

are you spending your welfare money on drugs or something?

i can't make sense out of your gibberish.

 

[Psychosis p. Temple]

are you spending your welfare money on drugs or something?

i can't make sense out of your gibberish.

Trump should be banned as president

 

[SouthCross]

Trump should be banned as president

I didn't vote for the idiot. He doesn't have my consent to do a Damn thing.

I'm one of the no voting group. Fuck these motherfuckers. I'm fucking done with the shit sandwich/ shit hot dog pony show. Stick the sheeple voting in yo' ass.

Fuck all these motherfu¢kers. I refused to vote for this happy horse shit. Are you fucking kidding me? This shit is fucking cRaZy.

 

[Psychosis p. Temple]

I didn't vote for the idiot. He doesn't have my consent to do a Damn thing.

I'm one of the no voting group. Fuck these motherfuckers. I'm fucking done with the shit sandwich/ shit hot dog pony show. Stick the sheeple voting in yo' ass.

Fuck all these motherfu¢kers. I refused to vote for this happy horse shit. Are you fucking kidding me? This shit is fucking cRaZy.

Yes it is a conglomerate mistake

 

[SouthCross]

Dammit don't me look that word up...cuz I have no idea what it means.

I'm making a Wal-Mart mistake?

Fuck those guys too. It's a cattle trough with a door greeter.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Is there a full moon tonight?

 

[Wilderb]

How did the right wing version do?

Who is in power?