Obama's campaign was funded by the same banks that funded McCains and every other candidate (excluding the good ones we all wanted but "he has no chance"). This has been going on forever, and we've been getting warned about the military industrial complex forever. If you want to be a "...dumb, stupid animal to be used as a pawn for foreign policy" (Henry Kissinger) then sign up. Obama = different war, different country, the return of national socialism. McCain = same war and maybe bombing Iran too. If our military was used to protect Americans, id be happy someone is willing to enlist and risk their lives. Since its not, I just feel sorry for all those poor bastards over there and hope you don't become one of them. I hope at least you get one of these non-violent jobs all these guys have been telling you about.
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Do you think mental health services is technical enough? I think the training is 13 weeks in the Navy for that one and 19 weeks for the Army.
Spitzered
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One female corpsman got the silver star for her actions in Afganistan.
But I really don't know. I don't know much about the squids. Even tho I had an uncle that retired after 30yrs. I'm an ex doggie myself. But the higher you score on entrance testing combined with their needs in MOS will avail you to more choices.
I signed up to be a tank driver for crying out loud, (completely brainwashed by my recruiter). Scored to high, so they said I could pick one of 'these' MOS's, technical, I chose a MOS in Aviation. Loved it.
So chose wisely for your future, if you don't want a career in the military.
0849
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in today's combat theater men and women are everywhere, we were a forward ops unit, the 2nd cav.. but our MI staff and half the pouges were female, but out in the stix 2 females and 65 frustrates males.. can be a bad mix. my friend alicia spent her time on the 50, got half as much combat as the rest of us, but she did fight. the military destroys women, truly honestly the word. the navy is easier combat wise, but harder in so many other levels. the army just fucks with you all the time, but life is easy when your not deployed. war is hell, and no one should ever see that kind of shit, if you don't die there you come home with ptsd wether you admit it or not. medals don't mean shit when your friends are dead, and neither does that disability check.. i honestly reccomoend going to college having fun, because unless your a raging drunk/adrenaline junkie you wont find your kicks there.
Dirty Harry
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I am not going to read all the replied due to politics. AND I AM NOT A STINKING RECRUITER EITHER!
I spend about 10 years in the Army. I started as 13F (Forward observer...my job was to make places go away using directed artillery fire) and then did 9 years in the Army as a MP (Best damn job I held, but read on) Then I switched to the Air National Guard and learned EVERY tech school or course I took translated into a college credit(s). I am not sure about the Navy, but DO CHECK INTO COLLEGE CREDITS.
I loved my Army time but blowing up small villages and military police work does not translate well if you trying to get a job at say Walmart.
Army is damn fun "grunt" work depending on your MOS and if you like that. In the Air force/guard your ASFC (MOS for you Army Peeps) most jobs you do get college credits. I was computer maintenance, and my tech school was a 9 month PCS. That knocked out one year of credits for a two year degree in electronics. Not to mention you get a chit load of bonuses for some jobs. Since I was a prior service guy, they don't give us old people the stuff you young ones get. They already know we are in for the long haul.
What ever you do, do it for YOU and country. Sooner or later you will be getting out of service and the more service experience that translated into the civilian world, the better and more $$ for you.
I am soon to retire with 23 years, and thus I am starting to look into sites like this
But make no mistake, no matter your choice, you show hot on a test, you opportunities are GONE.Forget about all the political BS I am sure are in the replies here. Military service is a very Nobel profession. Just plan your military career to help you out more in your civilian life when you are done.
23 Years and I am happy. I been in four conflicts and lived to tell about it. I will say If I got the kickers and bonuses you young ones get, along with re-enlistment bonuses, I would stay in...but I done my part and just want to kick back and watch the smoke drift away
Dirty Harry
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I am licensed to carry a weapon as a civilian, so would I fire on another? For mine or my family's protection, you damn right without hesitation. As for military duty to collect weapons from Americans? I would have to say NO.
natrone23
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........No sorry
0849
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in your enlistment oath you sware to uphold the constitution against all enemies forign and DOMESTIC
Thats nice to hear, im glad you havent been asked to fire on us or take our guns. But what are you guys waiting for? Constitution needs to be upheld. Do the troops have to come back from Iraq first?
Dirty Harry
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Not all people will stay in 20 years. Some younger kids join for the college money and then leave when their initial time is up. 20 years ACTIVE duty you get retirement checks when your done. 20 years guard/reserve you DO NOT get retirement money or other benefits until age 65.
The benefits are good, but not enough to live off if you have not saved for retirement.
"SICC"
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lol wtf you talking about, im not for the war or anything u idiot, i dont even watch Tv, my point in saying that was its all bullshit, dont be talkin shit when you dont kno anything about me, good for you, your helping ppl out, if you really cared that much about other ppl you wouldnt be in here tring to prove that you some good ass person, sounds like your doin it for the recognition, you disgust me
StinkBud
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[quote="SICC";1343732]lol wtf you talking about, im not for the war or anything u idiot, i dont even watch Tv, my point in saying that was its all bullshit, dont be talkin shit when you dont kno anything about me, good for you, your helping ppl out, if you really cared that much about other ppl you wouldnt be in here tring to prove that you some good ass person, sounds like your doin it for the recognition, you disgust me [/quote]
I'm sorry, You're not brainwashed. First you must have a brain to wash.
You highjack this thread with your stupid personal opinions that offer no help to the author's question.
This thread was a question asking about joining the military from people with actual experience.
Maybe you confused this thread with the one that reads:
"What do young stupid loosers with no life experience think about the military?"
And by the way I help cancer patients because I lost my father and aunt to cancer and I see what Chemo does to people. It's nasty shit!
One of my patients is a mother of three young children. Without medicine she would throw up all day long and die before long. Helping her makes me feel good so I guess I'm doing it for myself also. Oh well, I guess it's just a win-win situation for everybody. You should try it!
No one provides medicine for recognition. The only people that even know about it are my wife and my patients. No one on Rollitup.org knows who I really am. Think about it for a second. Out of all my friends, family, clients and anyone else that really matters to me, only my wife knows. Recognition??? LOL
People here do tend to appreciate good bud though! Which reminds me, time to quite doing bong hits, drinking coffee and hanging out in the forum.
It's time for harvest! Every three weeks is harvest day. I love the harvest but hate all the trimming. Check out what I'm pulling today...
You don't get to grow and smoke shit like this in the military!
[/quote]I'm sorry, You're not brainwashed. First you must have a brain to wash.
You highjack this thread with your stupid personal opinions that offer no help to the author's question.
This thread was a question asking about joining the military from people with actual experience.
Maybe you confused this thread with the one that reads:
"What do young stupid loosers with no life experience think about the military?"
And by the way I help cancer patients because I lost my father and aunt to cancer and I see what Chemo does to people. It's nasty shit!
One of my patients is a mother of three young children. Without medicine she would throw up all day long and die before long. Helping her makes me feel good so I guess I'm doing it for myself also. Oh well, I guess it's just a win-win situation for everybody. You should try it!
No one provides medicine for recognition. The only people that even know about it are my wife and my patients. No one on Rollitup.org knows who I really am. Think about it for a second. Out of all my friends, family, clients and anyone else that really matters to me, only my wife knows. Recognition??? LOL
People here do tend to appreciate good bud though! Which reminds me, time to quite doing bong hits, drinking coffee and hanging out in the forum.
It's time for harvest! Every three weeks is harvest day. I love the harvest but hate all the trimming. Check out what I'm pulling today...
You don't get to grow and smoke shit like this in the military!
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wow. lots of very strong opinions. It seems the military really leaves an impact on people's lives. Changes you. I spoke with a guy a while back who served in Nam-he was an air force bomber b-2 I think? Or something older. Anyway, he was talking about how their aircraft was coming down and they were all about to die, and there he was, 17 years old, coming to terms with his own mortality...biggest pothead in the world now...really cool guy. I'm wondering if joining will change me. I have a younger sister who is still in the Marines. She's younger than me and now has 2 kids and is married-of course to another jarhead. Weird. Almost as if the military made her want to LITERALLY "accelerate her life" as they say in the ads. I don't want to become a "lifer" and I don't want the military to change me-my values and opinions. Sounds like, from these posts, that it really does change you. Not sure if I'm willing to sign up for all that. What do you guys think of this?
Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation: The FY 2009 Pentagon (DOD) Defense Budget Spending Request
Looks like they're at least planning on increasing base pay. Wonder what's going to happen when Bush is out of office-what's going to happen to the 515 billion dollars the Bush administration requested for FY 2009. I wonder who decides those things.
Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation: The FY 2009 Pentagon (DOD) Defense Budget Spending Request
Looks like they're at least planning on increasing base pay. Wonder what's going to happen when Bush is out of office-what's going to happen to the 515 billion dollars the Bush administration requested for FY 2009. I wonder who decides those things.
o.k. so it's been a while, and I'm seriously considering joining up. I'm thinking the Army is the best option. My recruiter supposedly hooked me up with a 20k enlistment bonus plus a 5k "quick ship" bonus, all other incentives also included of course. I'm kind of freaking out here because I'm not exactly government material, and suddenly this recruiter's ringing my doorbell because he happened to be in the neighborhood, and wanted to drop off a pamphlet he forgot to give me. right. and I got a bunch of shit in writing about the specifics of my enlistment bonuses and incentives-at the beginning and end of the text in the email though it reads, "UNCLASSIFIED" Does that mean that even though it's in "writing", it doesn't count as proof if they end up screwing me out of incentives? 25 thousand dollars (minus taxes, of fucking course) sounds really nice to me, even if I have to wait a year and go through bootcamp for it, but I'm not sure if it's worth 6 years of my life and the possibility of being deployed/mobilized while I'm trying to get into grad school or thinking about buying a house and settling down or whatever. Is my recruiter full of shit? Is this a commonly used marketing strategy? 20k is a big number to just throw around if I'm not actually gonna see it. And I'll fucking hunt down my recruiter and kick his ass if I don't get what he said I'd get.
TheBrutalTruth
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No, the unclassified means that you can send it to the media, or whoever you want with out fear of the government taking action against you.
As far as the military changing your morals, or who you are.
That really depends on you. I know that in four years of JROTC I ended up being a lot more self-confident, but it didn't really chance who I was character wise. If you are maleable than it is likely that the military will change who you are. If you still have firm belief in what you believe in then no, the military probably wont change you.
And there is no predicting how it will change you.
Some people emerge staunch Republicans, but I met two the other day who emerged as Environmentalists who were so hardline Environmentalists that they would not listen to debate.
So, it's all a matter of how strongly you believe in your beliefs, and how willing you are to listen to alternating views, and allow them to change you.
As far as the military changing your morals, or who you are.
That really depends on you. I know that in four years of JROTC I ended up being a lot more self-confident, but it didn't really chance who I was character wise. If you are maleable than it is likely that the military will change who you are. If you still have firm belief in what you believe in then no, the military probably wont change you.
And there is no predicting how it will change you.
Some people emerge staunch Republicans, but I met two the other day who emerged as Environmentalists who were so hardline Environmentalists that they would not listen to debate.
So, it's all a matter of how strongly you believe in your beliefs, and how willing you are to listen to alternating views, and allow them to change you.
Bongulator
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20k to enlist for *any* MOS? I'd be suspicious if that's the promise. If it's 20k for an obviously vital and understaffed MOS, well, sure, I can see that. Like a Farsi interpreter or a doctor or something. I doubt they're so desperate that they'd pay that much for a more common MOS though.
Still, if that's over six years, and you get that whole 25k, that comes out to a little over $4150/year before taxes. Or two bucks an hour extra. So instead of you getting ten bucks an hour or whatever, you'd effectively be getting twelve bucks an hour. Not a bad raise, but I wouldn't go TOO crazy over it. That's their enlistment trick, the fat check, but when you do the math and spread that out over the enlistment term, it's not all that impressive. For someone young though, I can see the allure of having an instant $25k of disposable income, even if they have to spend six years shivering in a tent in Afghanistan before they get to spend it. Heh.
Oh, and yes, you can grow and smoke shit like that in the military. Depends on where you end up, really. I had a nice one-acre jungle farm growing in Grenada after the invasion. I'd smuggle pot back to Fort Bragg on R&R and hire someone to distribute it to the soldiers in the barracks, and the distributor would keep a small percentage, and I'd rake in the rest. I made way more money from that than my military checks. We used resealed MRE bags to smuggle it into the States on C-141's. In Turkey, I had some bomb-ass hash, so good that it caused my coworker to screw up one night and completely fry a brand new RACAL-VADIC 50,000 watt million dollar HF transceiver.
Still, if that's over six years, and you get that whole 25k, that comes out to a little over $4150/year before taxes. Or two bucks an hour extra. So instead of you getting ten bucks an hour or whatever, you'd effectively be getting twelve bucks an hour. Not a bad raise, but I wouldn't go TOO crazy over it. That's their enlistment trick, the fat check, but when you do the math and spread that out over the enlistment term, it's not all that impressive. For someone young though, I can see the allure of having an instant $25k of disposable income, even if they have to spend six years shivering in a tent in Afghanistan before they get to spend it. Heh.
Oh, and yes, you can grow and smoke shit like that in the military. Depends on where you end up, really. I had a nice one-acre jungle farm growing in Grenada after the invasion. I'd smuggle pot back to Fort Bragg on R&R and hire someone to distribute it to the soldiers in the barracks, and the distributor would keep a small percentage, and I'd rake in the rest. I made way more money from that than my military checks. We used resealed MRE bags to smuggle it into the States on C-141's. In Turkey, I had some bomb-ass hash, so good that it caused my coworker to screw up one night and completely fry a brand new RACAL-VADIC 50,000 watt million dollar HF transceiver.
wow. so that's what my tax dollars have been going to. God bless America. That's fucking disgrace that I wouldn't be proud of if I were you. But do they really piss you randomly? I am willing to quit once I'm in basic, but if I want to go home for the weekend what's gonna happen? It would suck to get kicked out or have my pay decreased/get demoted in rank and have to attend a stupid fucking army rehab program and have to pee in a cup every week.
and the reason why I was offered the 20k was because, as my recruiter told me, it's an understaffed position-I'd be the only one working in my area-right place right time. I just can't shake the gnawing feeling that I'm getting screwed. I'm thinking the Army has given me the best deal so far-Navy only offered 8,000 for enlisting with a B.A. and said I'd only be E-3.
and the reason why I was offered the 20k was because, as my recruiter told me, it's an understaffed position-I'd be the only one working in my area-right place right time. I just can't shake the gnawing feeling that I'm getting screwed. I'm thinking the Army has given me the best deal so far-Navy only offered 8,000 for enlisting with a B.A. and said I'd only be E-3.