Do you count flowering from 12/12 switch or when you see pistil hairs?

[drsaltzman]

That's not totally true. We used to grow peaches, apples, and other fruit. We would know, through experience, that a certain variety of peach, for example, would always be ready for a first pick at 153 days from full bloom. Of course that was used as a guide, but we could have always made the first pick at 153 days and not been wrong. The better one is degree growing days. We use that for bugs.
It's amazing to me that to a certain degree I can rely on the days cannabis breeders quote for indoor to determine where I'm at with that cultivar outdoors. Again, experience matters.

I grow figs. The brebas usually finish mid July. This year it was August.
That’s where days don’t come into play.
The fruit is ripe when the fruit is ripe.
As you say, experience helps you determine that.
Way better than days on a seed packet.
Ive grown enough cannabis as have many around here that we look at the flower, not count the days.
I’m sure you do too.
But new growers don’t have that eye yet so they look at what the packet says and end up here asking if it’s ready.
And 99 times out 100 they’ll get 10 responses explaining that it’s not.
Keeps us busy I guess.

 

[PJ Diaz]

The question was when to start counting days of flower.
If growing photo's from seed under 12/12 when would you start counting?

Why would you count at all? The only reason to count days IMO is if your are going to clone and re-run the cut over and over, so that you can plan your flowering cycles accordingly.

 

[drsaltzman]

What week of flower am I in? How much longer?View attachment 4992517View attachment 4992518

The point is not to count Rolla.
Doesn’t matter what week you’re in.
Just whether they’re ready or not.
From your pics, well you know the answer …

 

[drsaltzman]

The Frank Zappa dude who posted today was the first in a long time whose plants were actually chop ready.

 

[DrOgkush]

Outdoor 99%. Next month or later

 

[Thundercat]

Just so I've got this correct, regardless of 12/18hrs you'll still get some veg period?

Cheers!

This is a valuable lesson for you about plant growth I suppose. Yes plants when grown 12/12 from seed will absolutely still veg for several WEEKS before they start to flower. The plant must reach a point of genetic maturity before it will try to reproduce. Some plants are faster at maturing then others. But they all take time.

 

[Tangerine_]

How did this thread become so complicated?

From seed - count when pre-flowers form
From clone - count at flip

Outdoor the transition is gradual.

All of this info is useful to help guide our grows, especially for those running perpetual.

 

[cherrybobeddie]

I grow figs. The brebas usually finish mid July. This year it was August.
That’s where days don’t come into play.
The fruit is ripe when the fruit is ripe.
As you say, experience helps you determine that.
Way better than days on a seed packet.
Ive grown enough cannabis as have many around here that we look at the flower, not count the days.
I’m sure you do too.
But new growers don’t have that eye yet so they look at what the packet says and end up here asking if it’s ready.
And 99 times out 100 they’ll get 10 responses explaining that it’s not.
Keeps us busy I guess.

Yeh, you're right. I have been retired, but I hear the young guys talk about things being early the last few years.
Someday said the best fertilizer is the farmers footprint, or sumpin. I guess it just means taking care of the plants. Being with them.

 

[Rolla J]

The Frank Zappa dude who posted today was the first in a long time whose plants were actually chop ready.

2 weeks

 

[Star Dog]

This is a valuable lesson for you about plant growth I suppose. Yes plants when grown 12/12 from seed will absolutely still veg for several WEEKS before they start to flower. The plant must reach a point of genetic maturity before it will try to reproduce. Some plants are faster at maturing then others. But they all take time.

Thank you, it seems so obvious now you have told me, last night I was thinking I'm going to try that to see how it goes, baffled on the likely outcome rofl.

I remember reading some equatorial countries get 2 crops per year but still never even considered their veg period.

In my defence I've always made it clear that i only grow it lol.

Cheers...

 

[Thundercat]

Thank you, it seems so obvious now you have told me, last night I was thinking I'm going to try that to see how it goes, baffled on the likely outcome rofl.

I remember reading some equatorial countries get 2 crops per year but still never even considered their veg period.

In my defence I've always made it clear that i only grow it lol.

Cheers...

Growing 12/12 from seed goes well with many cultivars. The plants obviously stay smaller then a fully vegged plant grown under 18 hrs of light, but that just allows you to run more plants in a SOG.

Even better then 12/12 from seed is just finding a mother plant and running clones though. I spent 10 years running clones on a perpetual cycle. The cuttings got rooted, then vegged for about 2 weeks in the final 6inch square pot, then flowered. You can fit 45ish plants in a 4x4 space like that. On average I pulled about 20g dried per plant, but high yielders would get up to and 30g each.

 

[DrOgkush]

How did this thread become so complicated?

From seed - count when pre-flowers form
From clone - count at flip

Outdoor the transition is gradual.

All of this info is useful to help guide our grows, especially for those running perpetual.

What the hell are you talking about. Lmfao.
Why is seed different from clone? Lol

 

[Star Dog]

Growing 12/12 from seed goes well with many cultivars. The plants obviously stay smaller then a fully vegged plant grown under 18 hrs of light, but that just allows you to run more plants in a SOG.

Even better then 12/12 from seed is just finding a mother plant and running clones though. I spent 10 years running clones on a perpetual cycle. The cuttings got rooted, then vegged for about 2 weeks in the final 6inch square pot, then flowered. You can fit 45ish plants in a 4x4 space like that. On average I pulled about 20g dried per plant, but high yielders would get up to and 30g each.

I'm looking for a simpler way to find the best pheno that could be the ticket.
I've cut back to only 5 plants because of the work involved with taking regular clones then managing them and flowers at the same time, I'd normally take a monster clone to make it easier and buy me time but I'm not a big fan of them unless cloned after revege, a better option would be put seeds straight to 12-12 then revege my favourite ones?

That sounds too good I must have missed something?

 

[Coldnasty]

Just so I've got this correct, regardless of 12/18hrs you'll still get some veg period?

Cheers!

From seed yes, they won’t flower until they are sexually mature.

 

[Rolla J]

What the hell are you talking about. Lmfao.
Why is seed different from clone? Lol

Clones are usually taken at mature stages of veg. Making them mature and ready to flower once established

 

[Doug Dawson]

Be better off counting how many years you think this post will run

 

[Tangerine_]

What the hell are you talking about. Lmfao.
Why is seed different from clone? Lol

Seriously? C'mon now

 

[Tangerine_]

Clones are usually taken at mature stages of veg. Making them mature and ready to flower once established

Exactly. And this is especially true for older cuts that trigger easily.

Its so unnecessary to overcomplicate something as straightforward as this

 

[DrOgkush]

Seriously? C'mon now

You said it. Not me lol

 

[DrOgkush]

Clones are usually taken at mature stages of veg. Making them mature and ready to flower once established

Now you don’t say. Incredible