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[Dank is the Way]

Regarding Drip Clean...

Have any of you gardeners observed Drip Clean turning your tap water cloudy after sitting a few hours? No other additives...just the Drip Clean by itself.

 

[bender420]

Regarding Drip Clean...

Have any of you gardeners observed Drip Clean turning your tap water cloudy after sitting a few hours? No other additives...just the Drip Clean by itself.

This could be a possibility.

As you know tap water could have a good amount of ppm of various element. The acid in drip clean will dissolve some particle and other it will cause to percipitate. Making it cloudy.

Test with RO to see what happens. My hypothesis is if it does get cloudy it will be less than with tap water.

 

[Dank is the Way]

After having found my magnifier to read the seriously tiny print on the bottle's label...then looking up phophoric acid's effect on calcium, magnesium and iron...while it disolves iron and iron oxide...it binds to calcium and magnessium to form salts. Living on top of an aquifer and knowing the main components to what comes from the tap, chiefly plenty of iron, calcium and magnesium. I reached for me bottle of MagICal, which far more concentrated than the tap, dumped 10 ml into a vial, then two drops of Drip Clean...they instantly congealed into a cloudy wisp and sunk to the bottom.

I've been awake way too long for the time...later though, I'll shoot out another email to H&G and ask what the deal-ee-o is with this product that's s'posed to prevent salt build up, but instead causes salts to occur. In a bit of a viscous pulp at that.

Thanks for the nudge in the right direction there bender.

 

[bender420]

After having found my magnifier to read the seriously tiny print on the bottle's label...then looking up phophoric acid's effect on calcium, magnesium and iron...while it disolves iron and iron oxide...it binds to calcium and magnessium to form salts. Living on top of an aquifer and knowing the main components to what comes from the tap, chiefly plenty of iron, calcium and magnesium. I reached for me bottle of MagICal, which far more concentrated than the tap, dumped 10 ml into a vial, then two drops of Drip Clean...they instantly congealed into a cloudy wisp and sunk to the bottom.

I've been awake way too long for the time...later though, I'll shoot out another email to H&G and ask what the deal-ee-o is with this product that's s'posed to prevent salt build up, but instead causes salts to occur. In a bit of a viscous pulp at that.

Thanks for the nudge in the right direction there bender.

thanks buddy i look forward to H&G response.

 

[purrrrple]

Regarding Drip Clean...

Have any of you gardeners observed Drip Clean turning your tap water cloudy after sitting a few hours? No other additives...just the Drip Clean by itself.

Hey just a thought... Your supposed to only use R/O water with the HG.. Or atleast it is formulated for RO... i'm sure you could probably use it with regular water but i just wanted to point that out to you..

Dont know if you use tap or you were just running an experiement so dont jump down my throat... Just wanted you to be aware

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

Check it out. i did read a few replays concerning ph and i read that the low ph is due to the microbia induction and it should self regulate a few hours later ,thats why the tell you to check you ph after adding a& b before adding additives .

I just wanted to clear this up, since I have been adjusting ph after the a-b with ph-up because of the drop. It seems everyone that uses r/o see's this drop which is recommended with h&g. I have let my reservior sit for two days before adding ph-up and stimulants to see if in fact it will adjust itself..it does not. So I was browsing the h&g site and found what you may have been referring to.



GENERAL MIXING INSTRUCTIONS

1. Fill Reservior with water (lowPPM/EC preferred)
2. Add A component - mix thoroughly and let stand
3. Add B component - mix thoroughly and let stand
4. Adjust PH - For: Cocos / Hydro / Aqua flakes - pH5.8
   For: Soil A+B - pH6.3
5. After adjusting PH add appropriate stimulants.

PH may lower after adding stimulants,this is a natural process due to the live microbial nature of the stimulant and will correct itself within a few hours.



This says after adding stimulants, not a/b. This is why they say to adjust ph after a/b.

Just wanted to share with those that are seeing this ph drop too. From what I have gathered from reading many h&g grows..the ph drop doesn't occur with tap water, which is confusing in itself since r/o is recommended.

Also on another note. I had an issue with bugs that I recently have got under control. I found this note about root excelerator on the h&g feed chart guidlines.

Roots Excelurator works great as a repair agent if plants have suffered a scarid fly / fungus gnat infestation (once the infestation has been controlled).

 

[bender420]

I just wanted to clear this up, since I have been adjusting ph after the a-b with ph-up because of the drop. It seems everyone that uses r/o see's this drop which is recommended with h&g. I have let my reservior sit for two days before adding ph-up and stimulants to see if in fact it will adjust itself..it does not. So I was browsing the h&g site and found what you may have been referring to.



GENERAL MIXING INSTRUCTIONS

1. Fill Reservior with water (lowPPM/EC preferred)
2. Add A component - mix thoroughly and let stand
3. Add B component - mix thoroughly and let stand
4. Adjust PH - For: Cocos / Hydro / Aqua flakes - pH5.8
   For: Soil A+B - pH6.3
5. After adjusting PH add appropriate stimulants.

PH may lower after adding stimulants,this is a natural process due to the live microbial nature of the stimulant and will correct itself within a few hours.



This says after adding stimulants, not a/b. This is why they say to adjust ph after a/b.

Just wanted to share with those that are seeing this ph drop too. From what I have gathered from reading many h&g grows..the ph drop doesn't occur with tap water, which is confusing in itself since r/o is recommended.

Also on another note. I had an issue with bugs that I recently have got under control. I found this note about root excelerator on the h&g feed chart guidlines.

Roots Excelurator works great as a repair agent if plants have suffered a scarid fly / fungus gnat infestation (once the infestation has been controlled).

Thank you for the info raider. So i am assuming you followed this closely. How low does the pH drop? Do you let the solution sit until the pH is in the normal range before your feed them?

 

[Hulk Nugs]

This is crazy been reading about you guys having problems with PH dropping.

My PH after Aqua A/B is 6.3 or little higher i always have to us PH down, i put it around 5.5.
Been starting to mix my new water right after the last watering cycle before lights out. Gives it almost 12 hours to sit.

Trying to keep ontop of this grow, i try and take water test every night and i always notice my ph rises two days and i will be at 5.5 then jump to 6.2. For some reason it always around 6.0-6.2, but if i leave it more then three days with out adding ph down it gets up to 7.0

werid huh

 

[mj320002]

I'm pretty sure all the stuff H&G tells us about there nutes is bs. I'm pretty sure the lack of salt buildup is simply do to the base nutes and everything being made well. If you've spilled any of the drip clean you'll see the thickest salt buildup of anything. Also the reason the ph drops has nothing to do with micribes. It's because you're adding more acids and nutes which will obviously make the ph drop. This is more pronounced in r/o water because of the lower ppm. Has anyone actually mived the nutes then waited without putting it on the plants for the ph to come back up? I haven't but I bet it won't. It might go back up of course if the plants are using up the nutes quicker then the water otherwise not.

Personally after using these for a few grows I think they work. However they are overpriced, overcomplicated, and lacking in some basic elements plants can use. I could be wrong about the last one since they don't list what the hell is actually in their bottles. I'm going to finish up what I have then I'm switching to dyna gro. Dyna Gro is cheaper, easier to use, tells you exactly what macro, and micro nutes it contains as well as hormones. I'll get back to you all on the results but I'm pretty confident my plants will be better off.

This is crazy been reading about you guys having problems with PH dropping.

My PH after Aqua A/B is 6.3 or little higher i always have to us PH down, i put it around 5.5.
Been starting to mix my new water right after the last watering cycle before lights out. Gives it almost 12 hours to sit.

Trying to keep ontop of this grow, i try and take water test every night and i always notice my ph rises two days and i will be at 5.5 then jump to 6.2. For some reason it always around 6.0-6.2, but if i leave it more then three days with out adding ph down it gets up to 7.0

werid huh

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

I'm pretty sure all the stuff H&G tells us about there nutes is bs. I'm pretty sure the lack of salt buildup is simply do to the base nutes and everything being made well. If you've spilled any of the drip clean you'll see the thickest salt buildup of anything. Also the reason the ph drops has nothing to do with micribes. It's because you're adding more acids and nutes which will obviously make the ph drop. This is more pronounced in r/o water because of the lower ppm. Has anyone actually mived the nutes then waited without putting it on the plants for the ph to come back up? I haven't but I bet it won't. It might go back up of course if the plants are using up the nutes quicker then the water otherwise not.

Personally after using these for a few grows I think they work. However they are overpriced, overcomplicated, and lacking in some basic elements plants can use. I could be wrong about the last one since they don't list what the hell is actually in their bottles. I'm going to finish up what I have then I'm switching to dyna gro. Dyna Gro is cheaper, easier to use, tells you exactly what macro, and micro nutes it contains as well as hormones. I'll get back to you all on the results but I'm pretty confident my plants will be better off.

I have waited 2 days and ph doesn't come back up on it's own. It has to be adjusted. I think you are right on about the r/o water (0ppm) having a larger effect on the drop. I have read about people that use tap water not experiencing the drop. They do call for r/o water though. I am surprised that h&g hasn't come out with something in there nute program that will bring the ph up without ph-up. Having said that, I am very happy with the h&g line and will continue to use.

Here is what I found on h&g cocos and what they have in them. This is not word for word from there site, because you can't cut and paste unfortunatley, so I had to re-gurgitate it on my journal. lol

-cocos a is derived from calcium nitrate,ammonium nitrate, potassium hydroxide, and nitric acid
-cocos b is derived from potassium hydroxide, nitric acid, phosphoric oxide anhydride, magnesium sulfate
-drip clean is derived from phosphoric acid and potassium oxide and bonds with salt to avoid lock up
-root excel is derived from ammonium nitrate and potassium hydroxide adn protects the roots from root disease and root rot
-multi zen is derived from potassium hydroxide, ammonium nitrate, nitric acid and helps break down nutrients for absorbtion.
-budxl is derived from potassium hydroxide, ammonium nitrate, nitric acid and is is a flowering stim that moves sugar from the plant to the bud
-top booster is derived from potassium hydroxide and phosphoric acid anhydride and contains 13% phosphorous, 14% potassium and chelated iron and helps trigger the aggressive flowering period
-shooting power is derived from potassium sulfate, potassium carbonate, potassium phosphate and is a bud expander
-I also used magic green fioler spray.

 

[LoudBlunts]

wait

wait wait



so you want something to bring the ph UP without using ph-up?

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

Thank you for the info raider. So i am assuming you followed this closely. How low does the pH drop? Do you let the solution sit until the pH is in the normal range before your feed them?

The ph drops way down after a/b is added to r/o water. For me it drops down to arond 3.8 and I have to bring it back up. I have let it stand before addding the stimulants, but doesn't change the ph. The stimulants do drop the ph a bit, but not more that .2. I have sent multiple requests to house and garden and haven't had a response on this issue. At first I thought I was doing something wrong, but after reading similar experiences from other h&g users, I understand it is normal.

To be completely honest, if there was a canna dealer in my area, I might try there nutes to compare. Don't get me wrong, as stated above, I am very happy with the h&g line.
Also, the amount of advanced nutrients ph-up concentrate I use in my 55 gal res is 6ml to bring ph back to 5.5-5.8.

 

[Hulk Nugs]

you talking to me loud?

aww never mind missed raiders post

my water comes up by it self no need for ph upjust a bunch of ph down

H&G does have ph up&down just not in the US yet hopefully

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

wait

wait wait



so you want something to bring the ph UP without using ph-up?

Yeah, yeah. I mean the feeding chart is so detailed it would be nice if they included something that balanced the ph back out. Why, do you know of such a thing. lol

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

you talking to me loud?

aww never mind missed raiders post

my water comes up by it self no need for ph upjust a bunch of ph down

H&G does have ph up&down just not in the US yet hopefully

This is so weird. It comes up by itself? Are you using tap water or r/o? I am so confused. lol I don't get how yours comes up and mine does not. Are you using cocos?

 

[Hulk Nugs]

This is so weird. It comes up by itself? Are you using tap water or r/o? I am so confused. lol I don't get how yours comes up and mine does not. Are you using cocos?

Not using coco this grow but i did last one just two plants though, but the water was the same, oh wait stupid me i used coco medium not the line aqua line.

My ro goes from o to 6 different times of the day i check it, weird and my ro system some times never stops drianing then goes two days with out draining werid lmao

Tried mixxing your water 12 or even 24 hours before you do a waterchange?? Just started doing that forgot who mentioned it but dam thank you agian been really happy of how the water is keeping up, and just how i feel before i change the res.

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

Not using coco this grow but i did last one just two plants though, but the water was the same, oh wait stupid me i used coco medium not the line aqua line.

My ro goes from o to 6 different times of the day i check it, weird and my ro system some times never stops drianing then goes two days with out draining werid lmao

Tried mixxing your water 12 or even 24 hours before you do a waterchange?? Just started doing that forgot who mentioned it but dam thank you agian been really happy of how the water is keeping up, and just how i feel before i change the res.

Yeah, I have tried letting it stand overnight and it doesn't change the ph. Maybe it is only with the cocos line. I use DTW system so I only water 1/2 of my 55 gal res at time every other day.. that means I only fill my res after every other watering and mix nutes and ph to 5.8. After mixed nutes and water has stood for 2 days, the ph is still 5.8. It is just the drop imedietley after adding the a/b. It does not rise again without ph-up.

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

Ok, just checked my old e-mails and I must have missed this reply from house and garden. This is the answer I recieved about the ph drop.

H&G nutrients are buffered correctly and in most cases with most water supplies the PH will finish around 5.5 after adding nutrients.Adding of Ph up is fine as long as there is no precipitation. An alternative way is to add a liquid silica based product to raise the PH.

regards
House & Garden Australia


Here is a link to info on liquid silica I found on the net--- http://www.growthtechnology.com/downloads/Liquid-Silicon-instructions.pdf

 

[LoudBlunts]

Yeah, yeah. I mean the feeding chart is so detailed it would be nice if they included something that balanced the ph back out. Why, do you know of such a thing. lol

thas not what you said...you said you wanted the ph to go UP without using any ph-up like thas against laws of physics or some shit....


why would you NOT want use something that will bring your ph up?

just wondering is all. and yes any silica product will act as a ph UP as well


but WHY!!?!?!! is my question?

just sounds like extra.


i dont see how this is different with any other nutrient brand. i guess maybe some people only buy pH down?

good to be me. i buy everything sometimes...just in case

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

thas not what you said...you said you wanted the ph to go UP without using any ph-up like thas against laws of physics or some shit....


why would you NOT want use something that will bring your ph up?

Yeah that's what I said..duh, why can't it magically fix itself..Why isn't there a magic wand or something I can wave over it and fix it.
Uhm OK, well if there was a product made by the nutrient line that balanced out the ph without having to dump ph up (acid/alkalie) to bring a ph of 3.8 up to the mid 5.8 wouldn't that be better? Against the law of physics??? WTF I have no idea what you mean. That is just, well I'll be nice.

but WHY!!?!?!! is my question?

just sounds like extra.


i dont see how this is different with any other nutrient brand. i guess maybe some people only buy pH down?

good to be me. i buy everything sometimes...just in case

But why you ask. Why add silica instead of ph-up hmm well because I am already adding ph-up which adds no nutrient value to the plants other than balance. Remember that camme from house and garden not me. but if you have to add something every time than, why not something that has multiple purposes?


As for this being normal, I am not sure a ph drop of over 3.0 is normal, but maybe your right. I am just trying to get some advice from folks that have experience in with house and garden and this ph drop. Appearently it isn't normal accross the boarda s some growers don;t see the ph drop, for instance hulknugs.

It is good to be you? uhmm ok.... Again wtf OK Bro, I have to say you are the first RUI user to attempt to flame me.. I think it is funny, especially when you don't have any advice to give.