About voting for ron paul

Inneedofbuds ...

~lol~ ... I'm not on the "extreme" right at all. The extreme right is all about authoritarianism as you said. The only way to enforce that authoritarianism is through government edict ... same way the "extreme" left, i.e., socialism/communism is enforced. Me? Just let me open a private hospital or private school and keep the government away from it. ~lol~

Really, the only thing I was taking issue with you about your post was your claim that Obama is for a dynamic free market. Other than Ron Paul, I don't know of another candidate who understands dynamic free markets. Well, maybe Mitt Romney does ... with the emphasis on "maybe." :)

Vi
 
Universal health care means poor health research. Succesful drug companies make money after spending millions in research. Why is that wrong? When did America become so anti capatolism that we want to penalize drug companies for making a profit off research. The same hold true for education. If schools were private it would be much easier to choose the best school for our children. Now we choose whatever school the goverment funds regardless of their ability as educators.
 
Universal health care means poor health research. Succesful drug companies make money after spending millions in research. Why is that wrong? When did America become so anti capatolism that we want to penalize drug companies for making a profit off research. The same hold true for education. If schools were private it would be much easier to choose the best school for our children. Now we choose whatever school the goverment funds regardless of their ability as educators.

Universal health care implies supplying basic needs to everyone. It's not going to abolish drug companies and put your doctor out of work. You'll still be able to get that Viagra. Where I live, there is 5 private schools in our district. Parents can choose either public or private as they see fit. Many parents still choose a public education, even the rich ones. At private schools, kids are subjected to the will of the school owners. A lot of people don't like that.
 
gravel,kucinich and paul are all on point, funny how all three dont get any votes yet everyone likes them.
 
Universal health care implies supplying basic needs to everyone. It's not going to abolish drug companies and put your doctor out of work. You'll still be able to get that Viagra. Where I live, there is 5 private schools in our district. Parents can choose either public or private as they see fit. Many parents still choose a public education, even the rich ones. At private schools, kids are subjected to the will of the school owners. A lot of people don't like that.


I dont think that I should have to pay taxes that pay for schools I dont use or support. I work hard and pay my own viagra biils, so I dont need your health care. If the private school my kid attends brings back poor results, I can choose another school. If they were in a public system I couldn't, and the teacher wouldn't be blamed for the problem. Beg someone else hippee.:peace:
 
I dont think that I should have to pay taxes that pay for schools I dont use or support. I work hard and pay my own viagra biils, so I dont need your health care. If the private school my kid attends brings back poor results, I can choose another school. If they were in a public system I couldn't, and the teacher wouldn't be blamed for the problem. Beg someone else hippee.:peace:

What do you mean you couldn't choose another public school? Why not? Why couldn't you? Why couldn't you pull your kid out of a public school and put them in a private one? You already have all of those choices and nothing Obama wants to do would take any of that away. What's your point? You don't want your taxes raised a few cents to support public education? I believe that a more educated public will lead to an overall better America for me to live in. I consider it a good investment, I guess thats a basic difference between you and I. And for your information, Medicare covers Viagra, so the government already pays for your lame dick pills.
 
I would never use medicare, I have too much pride to be a leach. Public schools are chosen based on where you live. I would have to move for my child to attend another public school. Its pisses me off that I choose to pay for my children's education in the private sector and my tax money still goes to fund a broken education system. For the past 20 years we have stuck more and more money into educationa and test scores have dropped. The more money we stick in the machine the bigger it becomes.
 
I would never use medicare, I have too much pride to be a leach. Public schools are chosen based on where you live. I would have to move for my child to attend another public school. Its pisses me off that I choose to pay for my children's education in the private sector and my tax money still goes to fund a broken education system. For the past 20 years we have stuck more and more money into educationa and test scores have dropped. The more money we stick in the machine the bigger it becomes.

I hear what you're saying. I just personally feel that education is one of the most important things for our taxes to pay for. That and health care. Healthy and smart, thats how I want my neighbors. Sorry, you edited your post after, so let me address the last part. When you say more money, do you mean like more money than zero or more money than 20 years ago? Because basic common sense would dictate we invest more than we did 20 years ago. It would dictate that we invest more and more every year. If you believe in tax funded education that is.
 
Dr. Paul’s Writings › The Federal Education Morass

Summary:
After more than 40 years of massive federal education spending, the inescapable conclusion is that federal control is failing. By any objective standards, our public schools are worse than ever. Policies regarding curricula and discipline, once set by local teachers and principals working closely with parents, are now established in Washington. I believe that parents and teachers know what is best for their schools at the local level. The key to reforming public education in America is returning local control back to our public schools.

by Ron Paul, Dr. May 28, 2001
After more than 40 years of massive federal education spending, the inescapable conclusion is that federal control is failing. By any objective standards, our public schools are worse than ever. Policies regarding curricula and discipline, once set by local teachers and principals working closely with parents, are now established in Washington.
Politically correct sensitivity training substitutes for rigorous coursework in liberal arts or practical vocations. Children learn phony self-esteem, rather than the importance of productive achievement. Teachers are prohibited from maintaining discipline. As a result, our high school graduates enter adulthood less educated and less prepared for responsibility than previous generations. Obviously, ever-increasing federal control over our schools has failed the nation's children and lowered educational standards.
Yet while the need for new policies in Washington has never been greater, the approach unfortunately remains the same: more federal spending and more federal control. Last week Congress passed legislation that massively increases funding for failed Education department programs. Although the bill was widely hailed as bipartisan, the truth is that it contained mostly liberal measures promoted by Democratic members of Congress. Key Republican provisions such as school vouchers and unconditional flexibility for local school districts were not included. Regardless of the party stamp, the bill clearly represents a big-spending, big government plan that will only serve to further entrench the wasteful federal education monopoly.
The bill increases the Education department budget by a whopping 22 percent- more than even the liberals had hoped. The $9.2 billion increase brings the total department budget to more than $50 billion. No one mentions the high tax rates we all pay to finance this spending. We must remember that every dollar parents send to Washington is a dollar they don't have to spend directly on their children's education. Most education tax dollars sent to Washington fund the federal bureaucracy; far less than half of each dollar is ever returned to local schools. More importantly, federal school dollars come with strings attached. The more money we give to education bureaucrats, the more power they have to dictate how local schools are run. When federal spending increases, local schools are forced to do whatever it takes to get their share, even if this means adopting one size fits all policies mandated in Washington. In other words, federal money is used as a club to force schools to surrender more and more of their decision making authority to Washington.
I believe that parents and teachers know what is best for their schools at the local level. The key to reforming public education in America is returning local control back to our public schools. I have introduced three education tax credit bills which keep more tax dollars and more decision making power at the local level. The first provides parents with a $3,000 per child credit for educational expenses, including tuition, books, computers, and tutors. The second allows parents or individuals to claim up to $3,000 in tax credits for cash or in-kind donations to schools and scholarship programs. The third bill grants all teachers a $1,000 tax credit, effectively raising their salaries without spending tax dollars. All three of these measures share the same goal of insuring that parents, rather than federal education bureaucrats, decide how their children are educated.
Congress never seems to learn that Washington does not know what is best for kids. While both parties claim to stand for education, their bureaucratic approach should no longer be tolerated by American education consumers. American parents will spend generously on their children's education, but Congress must be willing to lower tax burdens and ease the federal stranglehold on education that has destroyed our public schools.


Keywords: Education
 
Here's a question to ask yourselves ...

The Federalist Papers were a series of newspaper articles written by Hamilton, Madison and Jay ... three of our Founding Fathers. They were written as essays to be read by the common man. Don't know if you guys have ever read them, but if you do, or have, you'll have to ask yourselves the question: How in the world did the common man get the education to not only read the Federalist Papers, but to understand them as well? The public (government) education system didn't start in this country until the 1850s. It was the idea of German immigrants who lived under German socialism prior to coming to this country.

Here ... open a few of the links on this page. See for yourselves:

The Federalist Papers - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Vi
 
Here's a question to ask yourselves ...

The Federalist Papers were a series of newspaper articles written by Hamilton, Madison and Jay ... three of our Founding Fathers. They were written as essays to be read by the common man. Don't know if you guys have ever read them, but if you do, or have, you'll have to ask yourselves the question: How in the world did the common man get the education to not only read the Federalist Papers, but to understand them as well? The public (government) education system didn't start in this country until the 1850s. It was the idea of German immigrants who lived under German socialism prior to coming to this country.

Here ... open a few of the links on this page. See for yourselves:

The Federalist Papers - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Vi

It's a little confusing when you say the public (government) education system, as they are really two different things. Public education started in the 1600's. The first school in New England was the Boston Latin School. It was started in 1636 by Rev. John Cotton to provide education for those who were not able to receive it at home. In 1642 the General Court enacted legislation requiring each town to see that children were taught."
There were public schools all over the country from the early 1700's, it just wasn't until later that the government paid for them.
History of America's Education - Noah Webster & Education in Early America - Second of Three Parts

It was made obvious early on that there would be a requirement for public education because some households simply could not provide it. Of course a intelligent, well educated parent, given daily one on one interaction with their child is going to provide a superior education, but for most people, thats just not realistic.
 
Blame Lincoln. Once the slaves were freed their dumb asses needed a handout education.

Just kidding. I am not serious here...
 
Dr. Paul’s Writings › The Federal Education Morass

Summary:
After more than 40 years of massive federal education spending, the inescapable conclusion is that federal control is failing. By any objective standards, our public schools are worse than ever. Policies regarding curricula and discipline, once set by local teachers and principals working closely with parents, are now established in Washington. I believe that parents and teachers know what is best for their schools at the local level. The key to reforming public education in America is returning local control back to our public schools.

by Ron Paul, Dr. May 28, 2001
After more than 40 years of massive federal education spending, the inescapable conclusion is that federal control is failing. By any objective standards, our public schools are worse than ever. Policies regarding curricula and discipline, once set by local teachers and principals working closely with parents, are now established in Washington.
Politically correct sensitivity training substitutes for rigorous coursework in liberal arts or practical vocations. Children learn phony self-esteem, rather than the importance of productive achievement. Teachers are prohibited from maintaining discipline. As a result, our high school graduates enter adulthood less educated and less prepared for responsibility than previous generations. Obviously, ever-increasing federal control over our schools has failed the nation's children and lowered educational standards.
Yet while the need for new policies in Washington has never been greater, the approach unfortunately remains the same: more federal spending and more federal control. Last week Congress passed legislation that massively increases funding for failed Education department programs. Although the bill was widely hailed as bipartisan, the truth is that it contained mostly liberal measures promoted by Democratic members of Congress. Key Republican provisions such as school vouchers and unconditional flexibility for local school districts were not included. Regardless of the party stamp, the bill clearly represents a big-spending, big government plan that will only serve to further entrench the wasteful federal education monopoly.
The bill increases the Education department budget by a whopping 22 percent- more than even the liberals had hoped. The $9.2 billion increase brings the total department budget to more than $50 billion. No one mentions the high tax rates we all pay to finance this spending. We must remember that every dollar parents send to Washington is a dollar they don't have to spend directly on their children's education. Most education tax dollars sent to Washington fund the federal bureaucracy; far less than half of each dollar is ever returned to local schools. More importantly, federal school dollars come with strings attached. The more money we give to education bureaucrats, the more power they have to dictate how local schools are run. When federal spending increases, local schools are forced to do whatever it takes to get their share, even if this means adopting one size fits all policies mandated in Washington. In other words, federal money is used as a club to force schools to surrender more and more of their decision making authority to Washington.
I believe that parents and teachers know what is best for their schools at the local level. The key to reforming public education in America is returning local control back to our public schools. I have introduced three education tax credit bills which keep more tax dollars and more decision making power at the local level. The first provides parents with a $3,000 per child credit for educational expenses, including tuition, books, computers, and tutors. The second allows parents or individuals to claim up to $3,000 in tax credits for cash or in-kind donations to schools and scholarship programs. The third bill grants all teachers a $1,000 tax credit, effectively raising their salaries without spending tax dollars. All three of these measures share the same goal of insuring that parents, rather than federal education bureaucrats, decide how their children are educated.
Congress never seems to learn that Washington does not know what is best for kids. While both parties claim to stand for education, their bureaucratic approach should no longer be tolerated by American education consumers. American parents will spend generously on their children's education, but Congress must be willing to lower tax burdens and ease the federal stranglehold on education that has destroyed our public schools.


Keywords: Education
Now this is what I'm talking about. Whenever the Federal government puts their hands in anything they fuck it up. Ron Paul is a brilliant man.
 
Blame Lincoln. Once the slaves were freed their dumb asses needed a handout education

well god dam boy, that's wha i'm talkin bout, sheet!
Dems big city fokes black, brown and yeller sons a bitches
fixin to do sompthin.my pappy done tolds us dat this would happen.
like 5 crows eatin one corn cobb it is.
 
Public education started in the 1600's. The first school in New England was the Boston Latin School. It was started in 1636 by Rev. John Cotton to provide education for those who were not able to receive it at home.

You're correct of course. Prior to adopting the German model of socialism in our education system, with government funded schools, most "schools" were operated by the churches or from home. Flash forward to today ... the best educations are being obtained from religion based schools, or by home schoolers.

Vi
 
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