Using marijuana as part of your prayer life if your a Christian..

[Zaehet Strife]

I know that i hadn't smoked for about 6 months, and now that i've quit for a while i don't really like smoking very often. Maybe once every week or two. And i tell you what, after i take just one hit even off of some bunk cannabis... i get high as a kite for hours.

Even if you don't use it to get high, it doesn't matter what your personal intentions are to God. What matters is your undying loyalty to him. Even if you "accidentally" get high, he will know, and you will be judged accordingly.

Like i've said before, it's your risk... are you willing to risk eternal damnation for your soul in the afterlife for a hit of weed? It's your choice, and your risk. No one else can save you from hell but yourself.

 

[JayDiggz]

Like i've said before, it's your risk... are you willing to risk eternal damnation for your soul in the afterlife for a hit of weed? It's your choice, and your risk. No one else can save you from hell but yourself.

Eternal Damnation is a matter of subjectivity. The variety of doctrines that have birthed from the Christian movements are proof that there is no one set way to be a Christian.

 

[BustinScales510]

Zaehet, I agree with absolutely everything you just said. That is why i am confused as to why you have misunderstood what I have been saying the whole time. I repeatedly mentioned that I am not in it to get high or stoned, and as far as why would you do it, but for the relaxing effects and medical effects. Similar to how Paul mentioned to use a little wine for stomach problems.

Are we as Christians going to be healed of our diseases? Yes, it is made clear diseases in this body will almost always, unless the Lords will is otherwise, be healed by Gods power. As it is, sometimes it is not Gods will to heal yet, I myself suffer from certain medical problems which is why I use it. I would never condone the use of cannabis towards other christians to use it just to use it to get high. Please don't misread that. I think you will find out we are closer to the same page then you previously thought.

When I myself smoke, I only take one puff as you stated and it does not get me intoxicated, but rather takes away pain so I can go about my regular duties.

I wholeheartedly agree about getting drunk, there is no way for a christian to do it and if they do it then ask for forgiveness afterwards that directly goes against grace and also Hebrews where it mentions that we cannot continue to deliberately sin.

You smoke pot because it makes you feel a certain way, different than you did before you smoked it. That feeling is being not sober,also known as high. What you call the "relaxing effects and medical effects" is called being high. There are of course different levels of being high, but being high and being sober are mutually exclusive, regardless of the pedantic wordplay you use to justify your usage.

Edit* Im obviously not condemning you for using marijuana and Im glad it helps you, just noting that it seems like splitting hairs to say you only use enough to still be sober.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

You smoke pot because it makes you feel a certain way, different than you did before you smoked it. That feeling is being not sober,also known as high. What you call the "relaxing effects and medical effects" is called being high. There are of course different levels of being high, but being high and being sober are mutually exclusive, regardless of the pedantic wordplay you use to justify your usage.

Edit* Im obviously not condemning you for using marijuana and Im glad it helps you, just noting that it seems like splitting hairs to say you only use enough to still be sober.

I agree with you, especially on the second part. The thing is though, that too many would be Christians out there want to be labeled as so... yet go against it's teachings with petty justification.

I would definitely rather hang out with a pretend Christian who smokes pot rather than a true Christian who thinks it would send you to hell... yet according to the bible that's exactly what would happen regardless of your personal interpretation of the bible.

I do understand more than anyone that living life in uncertainty can be a very scary and sometimes painful thing to do... but alleviating that pain with a religion that you change to fit your own likes and dislikes is full of contradictory thinking, and i don't see it giving you peace of mind in this life or the next, if there is one.

You aren't a Christian if you smoke cannabis... you are just pretending to be one. Justify as you may but according to the bible, if the Christian doctrine is true, you will spend eternity in hell if you get high from using it. /shrug

 

[NatesBaked]

I like the idea of this, I recently saved a link of a thread on some forum about how Cannabis was used in the Old Testament times but I haven't been to church or even talked to Him in so long.


Added the link right quick.
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/420-religion/80842-holy-herb-sacraments-cannabis.html

 

[Zaehet Strife]

I like the idea of this, I recently saved a link of a thread on some forum about how Cannabis was used in the Old Testament times but I haven't been to church or even talked to Him in so long.


Added the link right quick.
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/420-religion/80842-holy-herb-sacraments-cannabis.html

Interesting read. I wonder if they call themselves Cannachristian's instead of Christian's, or Cannabrew's instead of Hebrew's? Kinda still sucks for would be Christian's still though... the only way around saving their souls from eternal damnation for smoking the herb is to change their religion or relinquish it. Which, according to the bible, would apparently send them to hell anyways. Sounds like the old fashion stuck between a rock and a hard place predicament.

In my personal opinion though, disregarding all religion... if there is heaven or hell, if you do not harm anyone and do more good than bad and what is right you go to heaven. You harm others and do more bad than good and what is wrong you go to hell. But for some reason i doubt those places exist to begin with.

I personally would rather do good onto others through the love of my own heart, rather than through the fear of eternal damnation. Plus, a book that promotes rape, slavery, genocide, racism and discrimination towards women and homosexuals...doesn't really seem like a book anyone should want to fallow or take moral advice from.

/shrug

(If you want to try to find a way to live a peaceful love filled life, i would try Zen Buddhism. It's more so guidelines to living rightly rather than a religion)

 

[NatesBaked]

^ I actually until recently had a much older mentor-type person who grew and told me about the 3 Pillars of Zen and all of that. It's very interesting.

 

[nameno]

My relationship tells me how he wants me to live. I am to try to love everyone,even if there are things I don't like about them.
I can share 1 thing with you,it aint nothing I do that saves me,it's what he has already done. He loved me so much he laid his life down to pay for all my sins,past,present,& future. Yours too. Peace love ya brother.

 

[Zaehet Strife]

My relationship tells me how he wants me to live. I am to try to love everyone,even if there are things I don't like about them.
I can share 1 thing with you,it aint nothing I do that saves me,it's what he has already done. He loved me so much he laid his life down to pay for all my sins,past,present,& future. Yours too. Peace love ya brother.

Then you aren't a true christian if you don't fallow the bibles teachings through and though with unyielding devotion. Regardless, i am glad you have an idea that gives you a sense of certainty, hope and meaning in this existence... not everyone has that pleasure.

 

[kpmarine]

My relationship tells me how he wants me to live. I am to try to love everyone,even if there are things I don't like about them.
I can share 1 thing with you,it aint nothing I do that saves me,it's what he has already done. He loved me so much he laid his life down to pay for all my sins,past,present,& future. Yours too. Peace love ya brother.

Does nobody else wonder why animal sacrifice stopped being enough? Why did sacrificing doves cease to counteract sin all of a sudden? Why did god suddenly need to sacrifice his own child? Surely, an all-powerful being could devise a better method.

Why did god design a system where he would be forced to kill his own son anyways? It seems like an all-powerful god wouldn't have to jump through such hoops to save us from sin. Did the rock get too big to move?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Does nobody else wonder why animal sacrifice stopped being enough? Why did sacrificing doves cease to counteract sin all of a sudden? Why did god suddenly need to sacrifice his own child? Surely, an all-powerful being could devise a better method.

Why did god design a system where he would be forced to kill his own son anyways? It seems like an all-powerful god wouldn't have to jump through such hoops to save us from sin. Did the rock get too big to move?

I've asked that same question myself to many different Christians, it really does seem like an honest, logical question to ask, after all, the powers believers attribute to God lead any rational person to wonder, why would he design a system like Christianity? Is it really the most efficient, caring, loving, equal, system one would rationally attribute to a god? When examined, I think it's relatively easy for most people who are not under the influence or subject to the many detailed personal biases to tell, it isn't, in many different respects. I believe there must be a flaw in the design if modern technology can create a far better one than an omnipotent, supreme being.

 

[trueg115]

The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

They were only temporary offerings, Christ, the unblemished Lamb, the savior of the world was sacrificed once and for all, for the forgiveness of sins because he was the perfect sacrifice.

Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

Isaiah 53

 

[Padawanbater2]

The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

They were only temporary offerings, Christ, the unblemished Lamb, the savior of the world was sacrificed once and for all, for the forgiveness of sins because he was the perfect sacrifice.

Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.

Isaiah 53

And you don't think an omnipotent, all powerful, supreme being, with unlimited power who can literally do anything imaginable and everything unimaginable could devise a system more efficient than that?

 

[trueg115]

It is the most efficient system possible. Displaying his great love for his creation, sacrificing his own son for all of us.

 

[Padawanbater2]

It is the most efficient system possible. Displaying his great love for his creation, sacrificing his own son for all of us.

Coming to a deal that requires you to sacrifice your own son does not seem like the most efficient design possible.

To those reading along, this sort of reaction is what I would call typical of believers. In my experience, they can't fathom anything else, let alone something more reasonable/rational or efficient than what has already been laid out in front of them as Christianity.

@ trueg, how would paying $1.00 for the sins of all mankind not be more rational/efficient than sacrificing my own son for the same price?

 

[trueg115]

Because the weight of sin is so great that blood has to be shed to pay the price. It was either our blood or his blood. It is the justice system of God, we have each sinned against an infinitely holy God and deserve the price of hell because of our great sins against him and deserved his wrath but his son took it upon himself, namely Jesus Christ, to pay the price for what we deserve. 1.00$ is going to get you no where, no amount of anything in all creation could pay for sins, even the death of a "good man" because that man would stay dead. Only the begotten son of god could pay the price because he was the spotless one that came to save sinners. Sin is horrible and has a high price, and Jesus paid it for us because of his great love.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Because the weight of sin is so great that blood has to be shed to pay the price. It was either our blood or his blood. It is the justice system of God, we have each sinned against an infinitely holy God and deserve the price of hell because of our great sins against him and deserved his wrath but his son took it upon himself, namely Jesus Christ, to pay the price for what we deserve. 1.00$ is going to get you no where, no amount of anything in all creation could pay for sins, even the death of a "good man" because that man would stay dead. Only the begotten son of god could pay the price because he was the spotless one that came to save sinners. Sin is horrible and has a high price, and Jesus paid it for us because of his great love.

Anyone outside of the grasp of Christianity reads this as nothing but insanity.

It makes no sense unless its read in the context of Christianity.

 

[trueg115]

[SUP]Exactly. That was God's righteous and wise plan.
[/SUP]For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”


Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

1 Corinthians 1

 

[Padawanbater2]

It's offensive to answer posts with scripture, as it isn't your own thoughts/feelings of what is being expressed. I would appreciate it in the future if you answered posts in your own words and refrained from using scripture to justify your beliefs.

Having said that, it should go without saying any dogmatic belief claiming absolute knowledge would have go to justifications for any opposition. Hopefully you realize these justifications aren't actually justifications for anything and still require logical explanations. Reciting a bible verse does nothing but tell me that the authors of the bible ensured fail-safes if the dogma was ever questioned.

 

[trueg115]

I come to you testifying I hear the Holy Spirit, just as the bible states will happen to beleivers after Jesus rose from the grave, therefore I am a witness to you that what the bible claims to be true, is actually true. My witness does not come from myself, but from Him who sent me, Jesus Christ. My testimony is weighty, not because it is on my own accord, but because him who sent me is true just as the scriptures testify.