Using marijuana as part of your prayer life if your a Christian..

kpmarine

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There are many things wrong with the fundamentalist beliefs, many that do not coincide with the true God of the bible. They are one of the worst out there, pharisees. If you go into reading the bible with what they teach, you cannot understand the bible because they do not teach the truth of the Holy Spirit, and it is the Holy Spirit that guides us into understanding the scriptures, without Him we cannot understand it.
They read the bible literally, as you are currently advocating.
 

Padawanbater2

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You are not understanding what I am saying, I am not claiming anything on your current wisdom. I am stating that when that day comes when these answers you are seeking are answered to you, as they currently have not been yet, will you accept them? I am not trying to undermine your current wisdom at all.

And free will comes at all times, we have the ability to deliberately sin as christians, though that would cause us to fall away from God, and we have the ability to believe in Christ. Jesus wouldn't say anyone who believes has the right to become children of God. Instead he would have said anyone I make to believe. People take out of context this single verse in most churches which leads to a false notion of predestination. "No one can come to me unless the Father has drawn them" is what is taken out of context, and not put together with the rest of the bible which clearly shows free will. It all fits together, much like a puzzle, you cant take a few pieces and claim to know what the full piece is like. You can throw out some suggestions and some possible answers, but you cant be sure until you see the whole picture. Anything could be drawn in art, just like there are things in the bible that have to be understood in the full context of the book.
That is the thing, a day will not come when these questions will be answered by Christianity. Christians answer them in vague, non-answers, exactly how we've seen in this thread.

As I said, free will does not exist in Christianity in the same sense someone wouldn't have free will if offered 'cake or death';


[youtube]DFyuhTwi_OE[/youtube]

Cake: Christianity: Heaven: Eternal pleasure.. or Death: Torture: Eternal torment and pain...

Tell me, here on Earth, if I came up to you and offered you a big piece of cake OR a .357 magnum bullet between the eyes, would you honestly classify such a choice as "free will"? Are you FREELY choosing a fat piece of cake over a bullet to the head? Honestly
? Be HONEST...
 

trueg115

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I do not claim to have all the answers yet, but I will seek all of these out, just because the Holy Spirit is in me, does not mean he will reveal it all to me at once, much like how Jesus himself had to grow in wisdom and stature until he was 30 and ready for his ministry, so I cannot claim to know the answers to all of your questions yet, but a day is coming when I, along with other Christians will know these answers and on that day we will tell you plainly.
 

trueg115

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They read the bible literally, as you are currently advocating.
They do not go farther then that however, they do not teach it accurately. There is no true understanding of the scriptures without someone guided by the Holy Spirit in their reading and understanding.
 

eye exaggerate

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That is the thing, a day will not come when these questions will be answered by Christianity. Christians answer them in vague, non-answers, exactly how we've seen in this thread.

Be HONEST...
...Pad, I posted a list of "believers" that have made very significant contributions to science. As a matter of fact, without those present in that list, modern science wouldn't be where it is. Your response was 'irrelevant'.

...a list of people who helped make science what it is today is not vague, nor is it irrelevant. So, forget for a second that you know believers who's reality is still skewed, and look at the list again.

In his 1996 encyclical Fides et Ratio Pope John Paul II wrote that "Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth."[4] Pope Benedict XVI re-emphasized the importance of reason in his famous 2006 address at Regensburg.[5] But the emphasis on reason is not a recent development in the Church's history. In the first few centuries of the Church, the Church Fathers appropriated the best of Greek Philosophy in defense of the Faith. This appropriation culminated in the 13th century writings of Thomas Aquinas, whose synthesis of faith and reason has influenced Catholic thought for eight centuries. Because of this synthesis, it should be no surprise that many historians of science trace the foundations of modern science to the 13th century. These writers include Edward Grant,[6] James Hannam,[7] and Pierre Duhem,[8] to name a few.
Yet, the Galileo affair has come to typify the Church's relationship with science, although it was an exception rather than a rule. Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman has referred to the Galileo affair as the "one stock argument"[9] against the Church. The standard treatment of Galileo as a martyr for science has been overturned by modern historians, however. In fact, his theories were celebrated by popes and churchmen alike, with members of the Jesuits personally verifying many of his observations.[10] Galileo encountered trouble when he presented heliocentrism as fact rather than theory, when he lacked the necessary proofs to overturn long-standing science.
 

Zaehet Strife

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They do not go farther then that however, they do not teach it accurately. There is no true understanding of the scriptures without someone guided by the Holy Spirit in their reading and understanding.
That's funny... so every preacher i have ever met in my entire life, which is a shit ton, aren't being guided by the holy spirit when i ask them if smoking cannabis is a sin? Riiiiiight, makes perfect sense to me.
 

mindphuk

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I do not claim to have all the answers yet, but I will seek all of these out, just because the Holy Spirit is in me, does not mean he will reveal it all to me at once, much like how Jesus himself had to grow in wisdom and stature until he was 30 and ready for his ministry, so I cannot claim to know the answers to all of your questions yet, but a day is coming when I, along with other Christians will know these answers and on that day we will tell you plainly.
How old do you believe the earth to be? Since you appear to take the Genesis story literally rather than allegory, what do you do when evidence points to the fact that humans weren't created ex nihlo?
 

silasraven

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helps you take a step back when you've got major threats on the battle field. group certain things and make sure your battle ready other wise you might be letting things in that will destroy what God gave you to begin with.
 

kpmarine

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That is the thing, a day will not come when these questions will be answered by Christianity. Christians answer them in vague, non-answers, exactly how we've seen in this thread.

As I said, free will does not exist in Christianity in the same sense someone wouldn't have free will if offered 'cake or death';


[youtube]DFyuhTwi_OE[/youtube]

Cake: Christianity: Heaven: Eternal pleasure.. or Death: Torture: Eternal torment and pain...

Tell me, here on Earth, if I came up to you and offered you a big piece of cake OR a .357 magnum bullet between the eyes, would you honestly classify such a choice as "free will"? Are you FREELY choosing a fat piece of cake over a bullet to the head? Honestly
? Be HONEST...
Damn you sky cake!!! I love Eddie Izzard, funniest cross-dresser I've seen.
 

Zaehet Strife

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helps you take a step back when you've got major threats on the battle field. group certain things and make sure your battle ready other wise you might be letting things in that will destroy what God gave you to begin with.
And what exactly are you talking about, for real, no joke, i have no idea the point you are trying to make there my friend.
 

treebrother1982

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Hello! I want to jump into this debate! i see the thread has somewhat died a little. Nonetheless, I would like to contribute. Zaehet Strife I like a lot of your points and here is a question for you. Do you believe there is a religion that doesn't have a psychoactive drug involved? I cant think of any. In the Torah the holy anointing oil was comprised of a propriety blend of herbs. One of them is known as Kaneh Bosm. Kaneh Bosm when translated is kan = hemp. bosm = aromatic. It was used in the holy temple for the high priests to commune with God. Kaneh Bosm It has been mistranslated today as calamus. Sula bennet a polish anthropologist made this discovery with no current recognition. Google her for more on that reference. This plant has been a part of the christian doctrine and if it were bad it would specifically been written down as evil.

In regards to Drunkenness is a sin: Though the bible speaks against drunkenness, its message is Jesus doesn't want you to be subject to more suffering by committing poor decisions (adultery, rage, abuse etc) Here's an example that involves both sides. If you are married and are drunk and a hot girl flirts and makes moves on you may just get to that point of " fuck it, Im going for that poo tang" and commit adultery. However, If your HIGH you are fully aware that the hot girl is flirting and you don't respond to her. Alcohol is a Central Nervous system depressant where weed is not. Weed by classification is a exocannanibinoid. Weed may make you sleepy but works differently physiologically than alcohol. That physiological difference is a important point. Here's Another question. Is cannabis psychoactive? Yes. Is Coffee Psychoactive? Yes. So Where do you draw the line when too much of a psychoactive drug becomes a problem? I think its 1. Excess, 2. your lose control of your consciousness (Believe you can fly off a building, making irrational decisions or compromising decision such as when your drunk). When you are high you are in control of your thoughts. Time slows, your audio is tuned and your awareness is increased when your high.
 

New Age United

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The one who is without sin, let him be the one to cast the first stone. Why do you see the speck that is in your brothers eye but you do not notice the log that is in your own eye. Judge not lest ye be judged.

Read very slowly and pay very close Attention to what is being said.

Always be Aware of Space
Time is an illusion but the Earth is very Real
All things come and go but the Light remains Eternal

If you understand this you are now in Paradise

"I swear oh lord their eyes you have closed, to this day you have not opened them, this people's Heart is waxed, and their ears are dull from hearing, lest at anytime they should hear the word and see with their eyes and Know with their Hearts, and I shall heal them"
 

eye exaggerate

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all these threads by fake Christians trying to justify there sins, are starting to get annoying .
...and those who are just here discussing life in general are interesting as usual.



...just thought I'd balance it out :)


*this image is too awesome not to post. The 'smiley' at the right of the pool says it all

 

Zaehet Strife

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I haven't seen anyone here discuss life.. just their opinion of death.

Here is an example of discussing life; some jellyfish are known to revert back to their infant stage, and can live indefinitely... which is interesting, and it's about life.
 

Halman9000

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I think the Garden of Eden was the perfect temperature for growing plants .
Also what was the soil like in the Garden of Eden .

From a Scientific perspective , and if God was a Botanist I would like a list of all of the variables that effect plant growth . DId different areas of the Garden of Eden have different variables that are ideal for various plants and life forms ?

If God was a Botanist , how would he design a Garden of Eden for plants and animals ?

Halman9000
 
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