Using marijuana as part of your prayer life if your a Christian..
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JayDiggz
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lol and how many times do you think God has shaken his head at "True Christians"? They've had it wrong before, maybe they got it wrong with this. You don't think Jesus toked? Science tells me that people with long hair and sandals are automatic stoners. Fact.
tyler.durden
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Interesting thread. I was under the impression that once you accept jesus as your lord and savior you can sin all you want and still get into heaven. No?
Padawanbater2
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Does the Bible use the 0.08 BAC limit too?
tyler.durden
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Yes. And if you are caught reading the bible over the limit, you have to have a breathalyzer installed on it. It will then not open unless you blow into it sober for the next few months...
trueg115
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This is one of the biggest lies of modern day Christianity. Faith does not produce freedom to do whatever you want, if you follow the Spirit you will not be sinning. It is a crutch for people who are not saved and born again, to think they are going to heaven because they "believe" in Christ. But if they truly believed they would testify they believed by their actions. That is why so many Christians appear just like everyone else, because they arent Christians at all. It has made all of us look bad and perverted Christianity.
"If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God." hebrews 10
trueg115
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The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God
It is obvious when you get drunk and are not sober any longer. Just as it is obvious when you are using marijuana as a relaxant or for medication versus getting stoned or high.
trueg115
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Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Romans 10
Christ fulfilled the law so when we remain in Him through faith we are above the law. This does not mean the law is null and void however, what it means is that there is a greater way, the law points us to Christ, that is all it has ever done, for if salvation was ever found through the law Christ would no longer need to have died for us! His death was in vain then.
"Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revelaed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THE LAW." Galatians 3
The law shows us we need justification because we are sinners, it does not save.
As for food, the only reason God ever commanded in the OT some food ot be wrong is because they were unclean, not that they weren't food at all.The New testament clearly shows ALL foods to be good to eat and helpful for our body aka able to be eaten.
All food is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Padawanbater2
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No, it isn't, and that's your justification for it. The line between sober and intoxicated is arbitrary, which is why it isn't obvious and which is also why there is a defined limit of impairment under the law.
mindphuk
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Where in the Old Testament does it says that the laws he gave to Moses were really meant to point to Jesus?
Where does God tell Moses that the laws he gave to Moses were only temporary?
I see. Where does Paul get the authority to overturn God's eternal law?
why are Christians still teaching the Ten Commandments or telling church members to tithe? Isn't it hypocritical to pick and choose what we want to believe of the "Old Testament?
The Ten Commandments appear in two places in the Bible - in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. Neither version conveniently lists the commandments from one to ten, which is presumably how they would appear when posted. In the most commonly referenced passage (Exodus 20), the commandments cover 17 verses and encompass at least 14 imperatives. Concerning tithing, in the New Testament tithe and tithing are found eight times (Matthew 23:23; Luke 11:42; 18:12; Hebrews 7:5-6,8-9). But all of these passages refer to the Old Testament usage "under the law"! In view of this fact, it seems that today's church pastors should never ask for tithes because, according to your own train of thought, tithes are "old testament" which was abolished.
http://biblelight.net/unclean-foods-jesus.htm
http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/pronounce_foods_clean.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1821249/posts
trueg115
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"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.” Deuteronomy 18
This is Jesus. He was the seed to whom the promise would come to redeem us from the law, those who were held captive by it all their life, which is why it pleased God to send Jesus, in the likes of sinful flesh, born under law, to redeem those under the law to receive the full rights as sons of God.
Paul is not overturning Gods law, he is doing exactly what Jesus did and said. Nothing he says go against anything Jesus has stated.
the law of the Lord has been magnified, therefore tithing is not something that we are to do any longer, that is something carried along that should not be. We are not commanded to give 10 percent any longer, but rather the first fruits of our harvest.
"Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to bless you abundantly, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work. As it is written:“They have freely scattered their gifts to the poor;
their righteousness endures forever.”
Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness. You will be enriched in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity will result in thanksgiving to God.
2 Corinthians 9
We are not commanded to give generously what we have decided, not a set amount. The OT tithe was representing that we give our best to God. That is what we do now with our worship and if that includes our money to us, then we do that. It is about faith expressing itself through love.
As far as commandments it is still 10, which is not even of importance, because regardless if there is 10 or 20 they are still commandments by which we are not saved, but rather they are there to show us we are sinners in need of a savior because no one can keep the whole law for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
"When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." John 19 30
Once Jesus died on the cross the veil was torn in two, which represented the OT law becoming obsolete to make way for a better covenant. The promise cam before the law, just as now Christ is a seed of the promise. The law came after the promise, and the promise is not dependent upon the law. The law and the prophets testify to Jesus, from the beginning to the end.
As far as your first link, when Daniel was set upon not eating the kings meat, the real context and reason is bak in proverbs.
"When you sit to dine with a ruler,
note well what is before you,
and put a knife to your throat
if you are given to gluttony.
Do not crave his delicacies,
for that food is deceptive.
Proverbs 23
The food represented the teaching. If i speak to you of earthyl things and you do not understand, how then can I speak to you of heavenly things? For your sake, food represented teaching just as Christ is our bread of life, just as the Israelite s ate the manna in the desert. now ot prove to you all foods are clean and it pointed towards food as teachings, the reason one was unclean is because false teachings make us unclean because we cant be pure as long as we are living under false teachings, Daniel desired not to be deceived by the kings meats, just as Jesus chose not to be deceived by Satan's temptation in the wilderness to think man lived on bread alone and not on every word that comes from the mouth of God.
Many does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.
Therefor you see Gods words are our true food, just as Daniel did not eat the kings meat, so we do not eat Satan's words.
carl.burnette
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One of the truest statements in the bible has to be where it says that without the Holy Spirit the gospel can't be understood (paraphrase, dont know the verse.. I suspect trueg knows it though.. 
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I don't understand why non christians argue what a christian is supposed to be doing. When unless your born again there is no way you can understand it. That first step of faith is the key. Doesnt have to make sense. Most of the time it doesnt make any sense at all. But that first step of asking Jesus into your heart opens the door to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Then the bible comes alive! I mean unbelieveable.
I hope more people experience what I have experienced in the past year or so.
Some are arguing about using weed is a sin. Its very possible. Im not saying it is or isnt What I am saying is that the Holy Spirit hasnt moved me on this. There are other things in my life that God has removed from me, nothings I really want to share on here, but trust me, it was a big part. So I know that there is sin in my life & that its being worked on. If God lays it on my heart that weeds bad then its gone. Its that simple.
I made the decission to turn my entire life over to Him & I am trying to do that daily. Total submission to His will. What ever that will is.
But were not talking blind alegiance. The bible says to test the spirits. I see the friuts of the spirit & I honestly do not see my using weed as part of my prayer life as a sin. I have seen nothing but growth in my spiritual walk with the Lord.
That is the freedom we get from Christ. Its not that we try not to sin because its the law, we try not to sin because the Spirit provides us a conscience. Thats biblical too.. once again I dont know the scripture. Romans I think.
Anyways...
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)I don't understand why non christians argue what a christian is supposed to be doing. When unless your born again there is no way you can understand it. That first step of faith is the key. Doesnt have to make sense. Most of the time it doesnt make any sense at all. But that first step of asking Jesus into your heart opens the door to the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Then the bible comes alive! I mean unbelieveable.
I hope more people experience what I have experienced in the past year or so.
Some are arguing about using weed is a sin. Its very possible. Im not saying it is or isnt What I am saying is that the Holy Spirit hasnt moved me on this. There are other things in my life that God has removed from me, nothings I really want to share on here, but trust me, it was a big part. So I know that there is sin in my life & that its being worked on. If God lays it on my heart that weeds bad then its gone. Its that simple.
I made the decission to turn my entire life over to Him & I am trying to do that daily. Total submission to His will. What ever that will is.
But were not talking blind alegiance. The bible says to test the spirits. I see the friuts of the spirit & I honestly do not see my using weed as part of my prayer life as a sin. I have seen nothing but growth in my spiritual walk with the Lord.
That is the freedom we get from Christ. Its not that we try not to sin because its the law, we try not to sin because the Spirit provides us a conscience. Thats biblical too.. once again I dont know the scripture. Romans I think.
Anyways...
Later
Zaehet Strife
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Getting drunk is clearly a sin for Christians. No one is exempt from sin, including Christians who truly believe in the concept of sin. A Christian can't constantly abuse alcohol and keep asking for forgiveness, that isn't how repentance works. Jesus never got drunk when he was human, and he calls on Christians to follow his examples. Jesus turned water into wine, but it was for celebratory purposes. They drank the wine responsibly, and no one got intoxicated off it. Christians are supposed to be examples for everyone else, and getting drunk or high is a bad example for others.
If you drink one 5 ounce glass of wine, or one 12 ounce glass of beer... without gaining any effects of intoxication or inebriation, if you can stay sober, according to the bible this is ok for you to do.
Although, i would be weary of cannabis use. Can you take one hit, and keep from getting high? Can you take one hit and stay sober? According to the bible, if you can't then don't do it. If you do, and you keep doing it without exercising repentance and asking for forgiveness as well as discontinuing the behavior you risk eternal damnation for your soul.
In my opinion... what is the point to drinking alcohol or smoking cannabis if you aren't going to catch a buzz or get high? Regardless, if you are a Christian, according to the bible, if you do and continue to do so... you will burn, there are no exceptions.
No Christian is exempt from these principles or rules. If you believe you are, and you consider yourself a Christian, be prepared to pay for your sins against Christ as you stand before our lord and savior on the day of your body's death.
trueg115
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Zaehet, I agree with absolutely everything you just said. That is why i am confused as to why you have misunderstood what I have been saying the whole time. I repeatedly mentioned that I am not in it to get high or stoned, and as far as why would you do it, but for the relaxing effects and medical effects. Similar to how Paul mentioned to use a little wine for stomach problems.
Are we as Christians going to be healed of our diseases? Yes, it is made clear diseases in this body will almost always, unless the Lords will is otherwise, be healed by Gods power. As it is, sometimes it is not Gods will to heal yet, I myself suffer from certain medical problems which is why I use it. I would never condone the use of cannabis towards other christians to use it just to use it to get high. Please don't misread that. I think you will find out we are closer to the same page then you previously thought.
When I myself smoke, I only take one puff as you stated and it does not get me intoxicated, but rather takes away pain so I can go about my regular duties.
I wholeheartedly agree about getting drunk, there is no way for a christian to do it and if they do it then ask for forgiveness afterwards that directly goes against grace and also Hebrews where it mentions that we cannot continue to deliberately sin.
Are we as Christians going to be healed of our diseases? Yes, it is made clear diseases in this body will almost always, unless the Lords will is otherwise, be healed by Gods power. As it is, sometimes it is not Gods will to heal yet, I myself suffer from certain medical problems which is why I use it. I would never condone the use of cannabis towards other christians to use it just to use it to get high. Please don't misread that. I think you will find out we are closer to the same page then you previously thought.
When I myself smoke, I only take one puff as you stated and it does not get me intoxicated, but rather takes away pain so I can go about my regular duties.
I wholeheartedly agree about getting drunk, there is no way for a christian to do it and if they do it then ask for forgiveness afterwards that directly goes against grace and also Hebrews where it mentions that we cannot continue to deliberately sin.
carl.burnette
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Rereading the entire thread. I forgot to mention that I was taking Atavan for anxiety (Dr.s Prescription) That was what started me with weed. It worked far better than the Attavan & I wasnt so sleepy.
I never have taken weed to get baked. I have had a toke or 2 more than required for sure, but to be honest that was just lack of experience on my part. I am very aware now how much I need to smoke. The only time I can't say for sure is when I try a new strain or a new grow. Just because I dont know the strength & there have certainly been some creepers in the mix.
That's where the grace comes in I think. There's a part in the old test where the priest would make a sacrifice for unknown sins ie if a jew somehow became unclean without his knowing ie touched something after a woman on her period touched.. wola, unclean.. I believe God judges the intentions of the heart.
I never have taken weed to get baked. I have had a toke or 2 more than required for sure, but to be honest that was just lack of experience on my part. I am very aware now how much I need to smoke. The only time I can't say for sure is when I try a new strain or a new grow. Just because I dont know the strength & there have certainly been some creepers in the mix.
That's where the grace comes in I think. There's a part in the old test where the priest would make a sacrifice for unknown sins ie if a jew somehow became unclean without his knowing ie touched something after a woman on her period touched.. wola, unclean.. I believe God judges the intentions of the heart.
DonPepe
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its adorable when we as humans feel we can judge God biased on our personal opinions. Its funny that you would try rather than simply disregarding the idea God all together in favor of your personal views.
If your Bible says the earth is flat you are not using the King James 1611 translation. It makes it pretty clear except in the most specific of cases when a phrase such as "the four corners", despite the general use of such a phrase to refer to the far extents of north south east and west. while on the other hand it refers to globe, or sphere, or circle of the world much more often and when describing the physical characteristics rather than the simply referring the all of something within the corners of the earth.
There is no factual evidence to compel anyone to believe the Bible, i will be the first to tell you that, well no actually the Bible will be but that's irrelevant. But if your looking for an unquestionable reason then you will not find it, else faith would be pointless. I think the idea of faith might be rationalized as an understanding beyond what can be measured, proven, tested, or at times understood. where as science is the quest to remove things from that category so that we can place attributes to them that we can understand and "regulate" as humans. I do not see it as a battle between the 2 but rather as a race where our goal is to go as far as possible, but it would be unrealistic to expect to catch the builder of the course just because we understand more and more of the obstacles every day.
If your Bible says the earth is flat you are not using the King James 1611 translation. It makes it pretty clear except in the most specific of cases when a phrase such as "the four corners", despite the general use of such a phrase to refer to the far extents of north south east and west. while on the other hand it refers to globe, or sphere, or circle of the world much more often and when describing the physical characteristics rather than the simply referring the all of something within the corners of the earth.
There is no factual evidence to compel anyone to believe the Bible, i will be the first to tell you that, well no actually the Bible will be but that's irrelevant. But if your looking for an unquestionable reason then you will not find it, else faith would be pointless. I think the idea of faith might be rationalized as an understanding beyond what can be measured, proven, tested, or at times understood. where as science is the quest to remove things from that category so that we can place attributes to them that we can understand and "regulate" as humans. I do not see it as a battle between the 2 but rather as a race where our goal is to go as far as possible, but it would be unrealistic to expect to catch the builder of the course just because we understand more and more of the obstacles every day.
Padawanbater2
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There is no rationalization for faith
@ carl.burnette, I feel its a cop out to say that you have to be born again to understand God. If you don't think every atheist alive has done what you say is required to be born again, you're absolutely mistaken. So clearly, simply 'being born again' is not the answer. Why does it work for some but not for others? If you plan on responding with something about how atheists never truly submit or they never really believe, don't bother, because that is also a cop out.
@ carl.burnette, I feel its a cop out to say that you have to be born again to understand God. If you don't think every atheist alive has done what you say is required to be born again, you're absolutely mistaken. So clearly, simply 'being born again' is not the answer. Why does it work for some but not for others? If you plan on responding with something about how atheists never truly submit or they never really believe, don't bother, because that is also a cop out.
trueg115
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Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[SUP]a[/SUP] ” “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
“How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
“You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?
John 3