Any ideas whats happening to my girls?

StickyGlands

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They are under a 1k hps, in5 gal buckets of FFOF, have ferted only once and the problem started right befor that. this was about a week ago. these pics are from tonight. last night i flushed all of them using FF Sledgehammer. did 2 gal each pail.
room stays between 70 and 80deg f. and 20-30% humid. 11 days into flower. aprox 2 months old now.
the top pics are on couple diesels. is it sun bleaching? i just raised my lights like a foot just in case. starts out as green patchs and turns brown, orange and then the dried out yellow mess.
the last pic looks like cal def to me, its on a something something kush??? 2010-11-11_20-54-06_476.jpg2010-11-11_20-54-16_726.jpg2010-11-11_20-54-40_879.jpg2010-11-11_20-54-24_765.jpg
 

Bublonichronic

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SledghMmer the new fox farm flushing agent right?I Was gonna pick some up and some of the micro brew, shit sounds yummy.. But maybe take some pics out of HPS light...I you think it cal def botanicare cal/mag works great
 

Mother's Finest

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That looks like light burn so moving the lights away might help. Are the worst leaves at the top of the plant? If it's not the light then you may need more Potassium and Phosphorus.
 

2stoned2function

Active Member
SledghMmer the new fox farm flushing agent right?I Was gonna pick some up and some of the micro brew, shit sounds yummy.. But maybe take some pics out of HPS light...I you think it cal def botanicare cal/mag works great
the new ff feeding schedule I have (for the supposed 3 part series) calls for three flushes using sledgehammer in different phases to get rid of build up from the grow big. not that I play by the rules of fox farms almighty feeding regiment, just thought I'd throw in what I know
 

moash

New Member
thats not light burn...notice how its on the bottom
i think it needs to be fed more....looks like mg def(2nd pic) and k def(1st pic-top right)
also check the ph and get back to us
 

Mother's Finest

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Here is a plant that was known to be afflicted with light burn. Notice how the damage is also on bottom leaves:

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And here's a plant with leaf damage known to be caused by Potassium deficiency. The light was definately not too intense but the worst leaves were still towards the top:

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In some cases like this one, Potassium deficiency can look just like light burn. When a Phosphorus deficiency is involved as well, the damge can be crispy like bad light burn. The way you tell the difference is by knowing how close the plants can be to your light. If the damaged leaves are far enough away, you know it's not light burn.
 

withoutAchance

Active Member
i get light burn at 38" away with a 1000wMH and a 1000Whps and it does not always affect teh top leaves because they can be cooler because of where the fans or ac point.
 

moash

New Member
Here is a plant that was known to be afflicted with light burn. Notice how the damage is also on bottom leaves:

View attachment 1263954

And here's a plant with leaf damage known to be caused by Potassium deficiency. The light was definately not too intense but the worst leaves were still towards the top:

View attachment 1263955

In some cases like this one, Potassium deficiency can look just like light burn. When a Phosphorus deficiency is involved as well, the damge can be crispy like bad light burn. The way you tell the difference is by knowing how close the plants can be to your light. If the damaged leaves are far enough away, you know it's not light burn.
the damage in ur pic is on bottom leaves but not on top...which says that it was burnt,then grew some
his has alot of growth above it,which makes me think its not caused by lights
 

Mother's Finest

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his has alot of growth above it,which makes me think its not caused by lights
Yes, you said that earlier, just after I said that if the worst damage wasn't on top then it's not light burn. Even the quote you took from my post, "In some cases like this one, Potassium deficiency can look just like light burn," says that it's not light burn but a deficiency that looks similar.
 

StickyGlands

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aboabouabout a foot away. Raised it to two feetish last night but seemed to be worse this morning. Will give them the rec dose of feed when i get home. And update tomarrow. With pics. So what we are going with a def?
 

mygirls

Medical Marijuana (MOD)
They are under a 1k hps, in5 gal buckets of FFOF, have ferted only once and the problem started right befor that. this was about a week ago. these pics are from tonight. last night i flushed all of them using FF Sledgehammer. did 2 gal each pail.
room stays between 70 and 80deg f. and 20-30% humid. 11 days into flower. aprox 2 months old now.
the top pics are on couple diesels. is it sun bleaching? i just raised my lights like a foot just in case. starts out as green patchs and turns brown, orange and then the dried out yellow mess.
the last pic looks like cal def to me, its on a something something kush??? View attachment 1263612View attachment 1263614View attachment 1263611View attachment 1263613
im right here ihaven't gone any were... oh you mean your plant LOL
yes in deed light burn. rais the hummidity while in veg, this will help. keep humity low during flower. keep um green
 

StickyGlands

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But doesnt light burn happen on the top of the plant? This is happening close to the bottom so was thinking bleaching or a def. I have burnt them once befor on a differant grow and that cant be it. Plus i can hold my hand against the glasss on my hood all day with it getting very warm little alone hot. Ill nuke them with the ferts in a few hrs and see how they respond. Has to be a def since i have never ferted them befor.
 

LT1RX7 Drifter

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give it some ff tiger bloom with bottled water, its not light burn it from being deficent in p and k , if your hood is vented it should be 18 max from the tops of the plants and if there are a few plants that are tall bend them and level the canopy out so the light is penetrating evenly
 

kudaross

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it's not light burn. you have multiple deficiencies, which makes me want to ask, what is your water pH?

And you can have a 1000 watt light 18 inches away with no issues. I leveled a fan blowing air over the plants and under my light, and I can get that sucker 10 inches away no problem.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Here is a plant that was known to be afflicted with light burn. Notice how the damage is also on bottom leaves:

View attachment 1263954

And here's a plant with leaf damage known to be caused by Potassium deficiency. The light was definately not too intense but the worst leaves were still towards the top:

View attachment 1263955

In some cases like this one, Potassium deficiency can look just like light burn. When a Phosphorus deficiency is involved as well, the damge can be crispy like bad light burn. The way you tell the difference is by knowing how close the plants can be to your light. If the damaged leaves are far enough away, you know it's not light burn.

If it is a Potassium problem it is not a deficiency ... it is an overabundance.


When you have too much Potassium in your soil, it can lead to big troubles, like salt damage and acid fixation of the root system, as well as too much potassium can cause a calcium deficiency. Your fan leaves will show like a light to a dark yellow to whitish color in between the veins. Due to a molecular imbalance, potassium toxicity can cause a reduced uptake and lead to the deficiencies of Mg, and in some cases, Ca. Also leads to the other nutrients to not be absorbed properly leading to lots of other deficiency such as: magnesium, manganese, zinc and iron and can cause problems with calcium as well.


If there is a Potassium deficiency in plants it causes the plants leaves to show retarded growth and show a scorched tip and edges around the leaves. Plants may stretch and your branches can be easily broken or weak. Don’t get this deficiency confused with iron, because it almost acts like iron but to tell the difference in the two is: for potassium the tips of the leaves curl and the edges burn and die. Older leaves may show a red color and leaves could curl upwards. Dead patches (Necrosis) can happen on the margins of larger fan leaves thus, the leaves will eventually die off and turn brown. The Older leaves will show different patches of color (mottle) and turn yellow between the veins, following by whole leaves that turn dark yellow and die.


Still it does look like light bleaching.This picture is what light bleaching/ light burn looks like.
Only way to fix this is to Move the lights away from the plant!
Or make sure you don't go over 75 watts a sq foot, or your plant will have to much light and light bleaching can occur anywhere on the plant. (indica species seem to bleach easier than sativas imo.)

(Picture Provided by Boy Howdy)



Pictures, closer and clearer and from different angles, not taken in HPS light would be helpful.
 

StickyGlands

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75watts a sq foot? Why so low? The sun puts out over 1500w per sq ft. The potassium def sounds on. At the top of the plant a few leaves look burnt on the tips and edge
 

Mother's Finest

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75watts a sq foot? Why so low? The sun puts out over 1500w per sq ft.
That figure would probably be all across the electromagnetic spectrum, and can't account for all atmospheric interference. Keep in mind that even the sun can burn plants. The wattages people will reccomend for different man-made lights are based on years of people growing with them. It's a very long discussion about why so much natural light ends up equaling so much man-made light and it's alot easier to just use the amounts reccomended.
 
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