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Bird Gymnastics

Bird Gymnastics

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So I have been reading for quite some time and have found different opinions. Crossing a feminized plant with a strong male will ultimately always make that strain hermie?? Basically I am asking if I got some regular seeds, it turned out male, took that pollen and put it on a flowering plant ( that was from a feminized seed), took those seeds, grew them out till we found a female, what would be the result? I've crossed regular seeds (male or female) with other regular seeds and gotten amazing crosses...is it just luck or is it genetics to always get hermie characteristics or a stable strain after crossing with a feminized genetic??
 
phxfire

phxfire

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Bird Gymnastics said:
So I have been reading for quite some time and have found different opinions. Crossing a feminized plant with a strong male will ultimately always make that strain hermie?? Basically I am asking if I got some regular seeds, it turned out male, took that pollen and put it on a flowering plant ( that was from a feminized seed), took those seeds, grew them out till we found a female, what would be the result? I've crossed regular seeds (male or female) with other regular seeds and gotten amazing crosses...is it just luck or is it genetics to always get hermie characteristics or a stable strain after crossing with a feminized genetic??
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I have crossed strains that are completely different from each other... Like.... Sativa x Indica

But I have never messed with feminized seeds and I would imagine there would be problems if crossed.

When crossing two different varieties, a third variety of plant will be created. If you know what characteristics your looking for in a new strain, you will need several plants to choose from in order to have the best chance of finding all the qualities desired. Sometimes, if the two plants bred had dominant genes for certain characteristics, it will be impossible to get the plant you want from one single cross. In this case, it is necessary to interbreed two plants from the same batch of resultant seeds from the initial cross. In this fashion, recesive genes will become available, and the plant character you desire may only be possible in this manner.​
Usually breeding marijuana, it is desirable only to cross two strains that are very different. In this manner, one usually arrives at what is referred to as "hybrid vigor". In other words, often the best strains are created by taking two very different strains and mating them. Less robust plants may be the result of interbreeding, since it opens up recesive gene traits that may lead to reduced potency.​
Hybrid offspring will all be very different from each other. Each plant grown from the same batch of seeds collected from the same plant, will be different. It is then necessary to try each plant separately and decide it is individual merits for yourself. If you find one that seems to be head and shoulders above the rest in terms of early flowering, high yield and get buzz, that is the plant to clone and continue breeding.​
 
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Phenotypic expression among the Sativa/Indica crosses must also be noted.

The variability of phenotypic expression among the f2 generation of a truly polar (pure Sativa/pure Indica) P1 cross is quite phenomenal. The second generation f2 crosses will exhibit the full spectrum of possibilities between the original parents ? extreme Indica, extreme Sativa, and everything in between.
 
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irieie

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Bird Gymnastics said:
So I have been reading for quite some time and have found different opinions. Crossing a feminized plant with a strong male will ultimately always make that strain hermie?? Basically I am asking if I got some regular seeds, it turned out male, took that pollen and put it on a flowering plant ( that was from a feminized seed), took those seeds, grew them out till we found a female, what would be the result? I've crossed regular seeds (male or female) with other regular seeds and gotten amazing crosses...is it just luck or is it genetics to always get hermie characteristics or a stable strain after crossing with a feminized genetic??
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i have never done this enough to have an opinion based on experience, but i think you can figure it out with a punnett square. now the female seed will have YY and the male will have an XY. if you cross them you will get two XY and two YY which would mean that you have %50 male and %50 female. now this is assuming that Feminized seeds are YY and not something else or hold a genetic characteristic which would affect sex in a different mechanism. thats what i am thinking? what do you think?
 
fatboyOGOF

fatboyOGOF

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Bird Gymnastics said:
So I have been reading for quite some time and have found different opinions. Crossing a feminized plant with a strong male will ultimately always make that strain hermie?? Basically I am asking if I got some regular seeds, it turned out male, took that pollen and put it on a flowering plant ( that was from a feminized seed), took those seeds, grew them out till we found a female, what would be the result? I've crossed regular seeds (male or female) with other regular seeds and gotten amazing crosses...is it just luck or is it genetics to always get hermie characteristics or a stable strain after crossing with a feminized genetic??
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my opinions on feminized seeds were formed when they still tended to go hermie quite often. i think they are vermin and i would never consider crossing them with anything. i certainly could be wrong because although i've spent hundreds of hours reading about growing, all i needed to know about making babies were the basics. take 2 beautiful people and they tend to make beautiful babies (with maybe one bizarro version). this is how i breed: is she pretty? is her high great? is he pretty with short internodal spacing, but not so big that the babies would be big woody plants? does he smell nice? let's fuck!

to get a hermie trait out would take many generations. who has the time with hundreds of different strains out there already fairly stabilzied? good breeding takes, at the very least, hundreds of plants and many generations.
 
Bird Gymnastics

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irieie said:
i have never done this enough to have an opinion based on experience, but i think you can figure it out with a punnett square. now the female seed will have YY and the male will have an XY. if you cross them you will get two XY and two YY which would mean that you have %50 male and %50 female. now this is assuming that Feminized seeds are YY and not something else or hold a genetic characteristic which would affect sex in a different mechanism. thats what i am thinking? what do you think?
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That completely makes sense and that was one of my first thoughts. But if a female is a tranny (chick with a dick or in this case balls ha ha) then wouldn't that mean she has both? Or is it YY and just a weak genetic combination which causes the balls to appear?

fatboyOGOF said:
my opinions on feminized seeds were formed when they still tended to go hermie quite often. i think they are vermin and i would never consider crossing them with anything. i certainly could be wrong because although i've spent hundreds of hours reading about growing, all i needed to know about making babies were the basics. take 2 beautiful people and they tend to make beautiful babies (with maybe one bizarro version). this is how i breed: is she pretty? is her high great? is he pretty with short internodal spacing, but not so big that the babies would be big woody plants? does he smell nice? let's fuck!

to get a hermie trait out would take many generations. who has the time with hundreds of different strains out there already fairly stabilzied? good breeding takes, at the very least, hundreds of plants and many generations.
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That is exactly how we felt about crossing. But after some thought and a little more research we have come to the conclusion that we will continue to grow it out. We are pretty young and have nothing but time to dedicate to being the best growers possible. If you couldn't already tell this is my life. :) I plan on being the best I possibly can. The more I screw up it seems the better I get.

As far as many generations goes i think we are going t give it a shot. Now with the space that we have and all of the legal stuff taken care of I can't think of something more fulfilling then creating a TRUE DANK strain. Especially if it helped with certain ailments of my patients. You seem very knowledgeable Bout breeding and growing in general...I would be grateful to learn a thing or two from you. One thing that's helped me become a decent grower is noticing better growers ;)
 
fatboyOGOF

fatboyOGOF

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i never thought of calling a hermie a tranny! i like it! :lol:

good luck with the experiment! i would burn out on it after a few grows and wander off and do something else. attention span of a gnat! :)
 
phxfire

phxfire

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Bird Gymnastics said:
That completely makes sense and that was one of my first thoughts. But if a female is a tranny (chick with a dick or in this case balls ha ha) then wouldn't that mean she has both? Or is it YY and just a weak genetic combination which causes the balls to appear?



That is exactly how we felt about crossing. But after some thought and a little more research we have come to the conclusion that we will continue to grow it out. We are pretty young and have nothing but time to dedicate to being the best growers possible. If you couldn't already tell this is my life. :) I plan on being the best I possibly can. The more I screw up it seems the better I get.

As far as many generations goes i think we are going t give it a shot. Now with the space that we have and all of the legal stuff taken care of I can't think of something more fulfilling then creating a TRUE DANK strain. Especially if it helped with certain ailments of my patients. You seem very knowledgeable Bout breeding and growing in general...I would be grateful to learn a thing or two from you. One thing that's helped me become a decent grower is noticing better growers ;)
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I noticed you use the word "We" alot...
 
Bird Gymnastics

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phxfire said:
I noticed you use the word "We" alot...
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Yes, I have a partner. Two minds is always better then one. Funny story how we met. He had some dank and I had some dank. Traded some nugs, both loved each others product. It was a matched made it heaven lol. We both used same base nutrient, same pot size and same lights. Very funny how similar some of us growers are :) After hanging and talking a little more he decided to show me his operation. I was impressed and trusted him enough to see mine. Ever since then we have been doing it together. Almost a year or so now. He brought the "perfect" nutrient regiment as I brought on the training and cloning part to the table. He had his special strains as well as I. Like I said before, nothing better then having two minds with the same overall goal in the end. We grow strictly for quality...anything over what we expect is pretty much made into bubble. We are very disciplined growers and do a lot of things that people would call crazy or even excessive. But we have always documented our results and seem t get that much better every grow. I was lucky enough to find someone that truly shares my same passion...growing. Doesn't matter how much money we make or how much we yield per plant. As long as our babies look, smell, and taste amazing...that's a job well done in mine and my partners eyes. It also helps that we are very good friends too ha ha
 
Bird Gymnastics

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fatboyOGOF said:
i never thought of calling a hermie a tranny! i like it! :lol:

good luck with the experiment! i would burn out on it after a few grows and wander off and do something else. attention span of a gnat! :)
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Ha ha I was high and tranny sounded hilarious :) I'll probably need the good luck wishes. I know I am in for a long road but the taste and smell of the plant now is so delicious I hope it'll be worth it in the end.

Question: with a hermied plant, can those ball sacks open up and pollinate another plant?? I will post all my videos tonight so I can show you how one of my plants hermie genetically it is a damn shame :( guess I have a whole plant to make bubble now ha ha
 
fatboyOGOF

fatboyOGOF

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Bird Gymnastics said:
Yes, I have a partner. Two minds is always better then one. Funny story how we met. He had some dank and I had some dank. Traded some nugs, both loved each others product. It was a matched made it heaven lol. We both used same base nutrient, same pot size and same lights. Very funny how similar some of us growers are :) After hanging and talking a little more he decided to show me his operation. I was impressed and trusted him enough to see mine. Ever since then we have been doing it together. Almost a year or so now. He brought the "perfect" nutrient regiment as I brought on the training and cloning part to the table. He had his special strains as well as I. Like I said before, nothing better then having two minds with the same overall goal in the end. We grow strictly for quality...anything over what we expect is pretty much made into bubble. We are very disciplined growers and do a lot of things that people would call crazy or even excessive. But we have always documented our results and seem t get that much better every grow. I was lucky enough to find someone that truly shares my same passion...growing. Doesn't matter how much money we make or how much we yield per plant. As long as our babies look, smell, and taste amazing...that's a job well done in mine and my partners eyes. It also helps that we are very good friends too ha ha
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nice!

i'm jealous. my best friend grew back in the 70s but hasn't since then. he's going through a divorce and has a big house. i keep telling him to get a tent or use one of his closets. he's got a good job though and he's a bit paranoid. i'm wearing him down though! :)
 
fatboyOGOF

fatboyOGOF

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Bird Gymnastics said:
Ha ha I was high and tranny sounded hilarious :) I'll probably need the good luck wishes. I know I am in for a long road but the taste and smell of the plant now is so delicious I hope it'll be worth it in the end.

Question: with a hermied plant, can those ball sacks open up and pollinate another plant?? I will post all my videos tonight so I can show you how one of my plants hermie genetically it is a damn shame :( guess I have a whole plant to make bubble now ha ha
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they absolutely will infect other plants with their unpure pollen! they are a STAIN! if indeed you have them in your flower room, be sure to wipe it thoroughly if any balls pop. i've had seeds pop up 2 grows after i had males!

my only hermie plants were sweet tooth #4. damn things auto flowered on me too. i didn't even grow out the other F1s.

UNCLEAN!
 
phxfire

phxfire

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Bird Gymnastics said:
Yes, I have a partner. Two minds is always better then one. Funny story how we met. He had some dank and I had some dank. Traded some nugs, both loved each others product. It was a matched made it heaven lol. We both used same base nutrient, same pot size and same lights. Very funny how similar some of us growers are :) After hanging and talking a little more he decided to show me his operation. I was impressed and trusted him enough to see mine. Ever since then we have been doing it together. Almost a year or so now. He brought the "perfect" nutrient regiment as I brought on the training and cloning part to the table. He had his special strains as well as I. Like I said before, nothing better then having two minds with the same overall goal in the end. We grow strictly for quality...anything over what we expect is pretty much made into bubble. We are very disciplined growers and do a lot of things that people would call crazy or even excessive. But we have always documented our results and seem t get that much better every grow. I was lucky enough to find someone that truly shares my same passion...growing. Doesn't matter how much money we make or how much we yield per plant. As long as our babies look, smell, and taste amazing...that's a job well done in mine and my partners eyes. It also helps that we are very good friends too ha ha
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Must be nice!

I have not found someone with the same interests yet....
 
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