I was a sports injury therapist / personal trainer for 11 years

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ElGrandeMongo

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Wizzlebiz said:
How many days a week?

From your statement it seems the soreness is getting worse as the days activities progress yes?
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It really varies. If I was lucky enough to not be sore from Fridays workout on Monday, I'm basically sore all week after Monday's workout. It gets better within the workout as it progresses (except that calf thing I was describing, that get's worse with use) and I seem to loosen up, but once I've cooled off it's back to extreme soreness. I'd still be aching on Friday even if I skip all the mid week workouts. I try to aim for 3 days a week since I'm in the office 10 hours a day another 2 hours at the gym 5 days a week adds up. Fit in the odd run/jumping rope where I can on top of that if I can manage the pain
 
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Wizzlebiz

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Lordhooha said:
I’m glad Ive got a sauna, really good treadmill and a full rogue power rack since all this shut down shit. About to run another Anavar and t3 with a test base. Jacked 2.0 here I come.
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Last time I did any juice I took duratesen, sustinon, and dball.

I failed to mention anadrol.....

Thats how long ago it was since I have taken steroids lmao.
 
Wizzlebiz

Wizzlebiz

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ElGrandeMongo said:
It really varies. If I was lucky enough to not be sore from Fridays workout on Monday, I'm basically sore all week after Monday's workout. It gets better within the workout as it progresses (except that calf thing I was describing, that get's worse with use) and I seem to loosen up, but once I've cooled off it's back to extreme soreness. I'd still be aching on Friday even if I skip all the mid week workouts. I try to aim for 3 days a week since I'm in the office 10 hours a day another 2 hours at the gym 5 days a week adds up. Fit in the odd run/jumping rope where I can on top of that if I can manage the pain
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Has this always been the case for you? You had stated a bunch of combat sport training. Which makes me think its gotta be fairly new.

I sincerely suggest seeing a doctor about early stages of fibromyalgia
 
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ElGrandeMongo

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Wizzlebiz said:
Has this always been the case for you? You had stated a bunch of combat sport training. Which makes me think its gotta be fairly new.

I sincerely suggest seeing a doctor about early stages of fibromyalgia
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Was not always the case. Never had issues until my 20s. First time I noticed it was of course after the long stretch of little physical activity when I was in university and working almost full time on top of that. So 5 years. Then when I tried to get back to it, it was excruciating after every workout. I noticed something was out of whack when my 350+lb friend of mine who was trying to get in shape at the time, who had never worked out in his life seemed to be recovering faster than I was after our workouts.

Will take a look into the fibromyalgia thing. Not entirely convinced because if I'm not putting in workouts, I'm not aching at all, nor any of the other symptoms other than stiffness. I'm always stiff but I chalk that up to 10 hours a day of office work. My flexibility is admittedly TERRIBLE these days. I feel like I'm being held together by steel cable when I try to stretch to improve flexibility.

But it also seems that the treatment is more exercise and OTC painkillers, which is basically what I've been doing (plus plenty of weed of course). So do I just suck it up for longer this time??
 
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Wizzlebiz

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ElGrandeMongo said:
Was not always the case. Never had issues until my 20s. First time I noticed it was of course after the long stretch of little physical activity when I was in university and working almost full time on top of that. So 5 years. Then when I tried to get back to it, it was excruciating after every workout. I noticed something was out of whack when my 350+lb friend of mine who was trying to get in shape at the time, who had never worked out in his life seemed to be recovering faster than I was after our workouts.

Will take a look into the fibromyalgia thing. Not entirely convinced because if I'm not putting in workouts, I'm not aching at all, nor any of the other symptoms other than stiffness. I'm always stiff but I chalk that up to 10 hours a day of office work. My flexibility is admittedly TERRIBLE these days. I feel like I'm being held together by steel cable when I try to stretch to improve flexibility.

But it also seems that the treatment is more exercise and OTC painkillers, which is basically what I've been doing (plus plenty of weed of course). So do I just suck it up for longer this time??
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So the beginning stages of fibromyalgia show when over exertion happens. Extreme muscle pains. Continues to happen as time goes on.

If it progresses it becomes that pain most of the time even without exertion.

I'm not trying to scare you. But if its the case you should know now to work on some possible things that can help it subside.

If you have to take pain killers after every workout that's not normal.
 
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ElGrandeMongo

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Wizzlebiz said:
So the beginning stages of fibromyalgia show when over exertion happens. Extreme muscle pains. Continues to happen as time goes on.

If it progresses it becomes that pain most of the time even without exertion.

I'm not trying to scare you. But if its the case you should know now to work on some possible things that can help it subside.

If you have to take pain killers after every workout that's not normal.
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I guess I don't HAVE to take them after each workout, it just extends my range of motion a bit without pain.

Appreciate the advice. Will get checked out. My lifelong doctor retired recently so I'm at the mercy of the walk in clinics. What kind of tests do they do in diagnosing fibromyalgia?
 
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Lordhooha

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ElGrandeMongo said:
I guess I don't HAVE to take them after each workout, it just extends my range of motion a bit without pain.

Appreciate the advice. Will get checked out. My lifelong doctor retired recently so I'm at the mercy of the walk in clinics. What kind of tests do they do in diagnosing fibromyalgia?
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Blood work lots of blood work
 
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kovidkough

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so wiz, I know this is biased, but does weed really actually do anything to support recovering muscles , beyond the obvious muscle relaxer effect..just curious if you have ever researched this, TIA
 
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Wizzlebiz

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kovidkough said:
so wiz, I know this is biased, but does weed really actually do anything to support recovering muscles , beyond the obvious muscle relaxer effect..just curious if you have ever researched this, TIA
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I claimed to research it by smoking after my workouts.

But I forgot to write down the results. Hahaha.

Arnold used to make claims about healing effects of smoking after a workout but I never had the balls to look at the data.

Last thing I need is a conflict of interest in my head if I find bad data on it.
 
kovidkough

kovidkough

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Wizzlebiz said:
I claimed to research it by smoking after my workouts.

But I forgot to write down the results. Hahaha.

Arnold used to make claims about healing effects of smoking after a workout but I never had the balls to look at the data.

Last thing I need is a conflict of interest in my head if I find bad data on it.
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fair enough!
 
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ElGrandeMongo

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kovidkough said:
so wiz, I know this is biased, but does weed really actually do anything to support recovering muscles , beyond the obvious muscle relaxer effect..just curious if you have ever researched this, TIA
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Anecdotally it helps me. I find that it helps me in two ways preworkout.

First being that it seems to take longer for exertion strain to be felt during a workout due to the muscles being relaxed. Second, I find that weed pre workout really silences or tunes out that voice in my head that's telling me to quit when I'm pushing it during a workout. Oddly enough my cardio seemed to be better when smoking weed preworkout than it would be on days I tried to show up completely sober, and that's even if I had smoked 2 minutes before beginning my workout.
 
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Wizzlebiz

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ElGrandeMongo said:
Anecdotally it helps me. I find that it helps me in two ways preworkout.

First being that it seems to take longer for exertion strain to be felt during a workout due to the muscles being relaxed. Second, I find that weed pre workout really silences or tunes out that voice in my head that's telling me to quit when I'm pushing it during a workout. Oddly enough my cardio seemed to be better when smoking weed preworkout than it would be on days I tried to show up completely sober, and that's even if I had smoked 2 minutes before beginning my workout.
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So basically you smoke weed to shut down your quit?

I'm the total reverse. If I want to end a workout early.

Il smoke before it lol

Does marijuana buffer lactic acid build up? I have never checked. But if it does that would be a reason to smoke pre workout.

Edit: Unfortunately all I can find is opinion pieces on that topic. Not a good source of info.
 
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ElGrandeMongo

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Wizzlebiz said:
So basically you smoke weed to shut down your quit?

I'm the total reverse. If I want to end a workout early.

Il smoke before it lol

Does marijuana buffer lactic acid build up? I have never checked. But if it does that would be a reason to smoke pre workout.

Unfortunately all I can find is opinion pieces on that topic. Not a good source of info.
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Pretty much. I can even run without headphones if I smoke. Just the rhythm of feet to pavement is enough to distraction to not focus on the "this hurts, you should quit, it's not worth it" part of my brain. Same for a typical combat sports class, the patterns and rhythm of bagwork, rope work, padwork etc does the trick if smoking. Otherwise the mental circus can derail me.
 
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Wizzlebiz

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ElGrandeMongo said:
Pretty much. I can even run without headphones if I smoke. Just the rhythm of feet to pavement is enough to distraction to not focus on the "this hurts, you should quit, it's not worth it" part of my brain. Same for a typical combat sports class, the patterns and rhythm of bagwork, rope work, padwork etc does the trick if smoking. Otherwise the mental circus can derail me.
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So when you smoke and run or hit a speed bag. Do you not notice the pain?
 
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Wizzlebiz

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ElGrandeMongo said:
I notice it, it's definitely still there, it's just more bearable (probably due to being distracted from it) and the quitting voice is quieter
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What about when your deal with DOMS? If you smoke or listen to music is it way more bearable than if not?
 
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ElGrandeMongo

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Wizzlebiz said:
What about when your deal with DOMS? If you smoke or listen to music is it way more bearable than if not?
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The DOMS are pretty crippling. I smoke all the time when I'm not at work though and it's still regularly unbearable, and the anticipation of how bad it's going to be is one of the biggest things holding me back every time I try to get myself back to working out.

Of course with these insane lockdowns, the gym I was training at last is now permanently closed, so on top of the fear of DOMS I'll have to walk into a new gym and start fresh with the peoples there, which is an act of bravery in itself for most people imo

If the snow is somewhat cleared off the sidewalks in my neighborhood I'll go for a run later today and report back on how I feel tomorrow lmao
 
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