ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Terrapin2 said:
trying to really get the drying part down-any tips?

i find for my small homegrow that after i wash, the patties say out at room temp for a couple few hours just to wick away as much water as possible.
i then move them into a fridge and let dry for 2 days.
if i want to microplane i will freeze patties and go from there.

do you find the microplaning necessary?

nothing worse than starting off w/ grease and then not properly drying and grease then caking up weeks down the line.
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Microplaning is how you separate the heads, increasing surface area for a faster more efficient dry. It’s really the one major technique to take away from this thread.
Also the amount of time to wick a puck and the temperature of the wick stage are variable. Freeze stage is also variable. But I think you are probably taking too long, and wicking too warm. Room temp is a variable term but there is no reason to let the hash be room temperature before it’s fully dry. Cold is your friend! If your finger tips are freezer burnt ur doing it right.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Matt Rize said:
Microplaning is how you separate the heads, increasing surface area for a faster more efficient dry. It’s really the one major technique to take away from this thread.
Also the amount of time to wick a puck and the temperature of the wick stage are variable. Freeze stage is also variable. But I think you are probably taking too long, and wicking too warm. Room temp is a variable term but there is no reason to let the hash be room temperature before it’s fully dry. Cold is your friend! If your finger tips are freezer burnt ur doing it right.
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Matt my man!! good to see you. its been years and years, hope all is well.
 
Terrapin2

Terrapin2

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Matt Rize said:
Microplaning is how you separate the heads, increasing surface area for a faster more efficient dry. It’s really the one major technique to take away from this thread.
Also the amount of time to wick a puck and the temperature of the wick stage are variable. Freeze stage is also variable. But I think you are probably taking too long, and wicking too warm. Room temp is a variable term but there is no reason to let the hash be room temperature before it’s fully dry. Cold is your friend! If your finger tips are freezer burnt ur doing it right.
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right on. i hear you. thanks for the tips.

here are a few examples of some dry ice wax. all trim run.
 
TheBFA

TheBFA

Member
Is ice necessary for making the bubble hash? I've watched French Canoli's video on making it, and it seems like he's saying when the ice is fresh, it may damage the trim more and create more unwanted particles (during agitation).

It's 9°F outside right now. I can get the water even cooler doing this outside than using ice water inside.
 
Randodred

Randodred

Active Member
What are you using to agitate..
Ive used all from wooden spppn to wooden ore as well as mini cement mixer gotten melt from all..
It is abt the product first and lightly agitating second

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TheBFA

TheBFA

Member
Randodred said:
What are you using to agitate..
Ive used all from wooden spppn to wooden ore as well as mini cement mixer gotten melt from all..
It is abt the product first and lightly agitating second

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I'm going to use a paint mixing rod and low gear on a drill.
 
S

steps

Member
Hi Matt,

Great thread! I read all the posts and want to thank you for all your work to educate all of us over the years. I have a few questions:

1. You mentioned early on you use a microscope to look at trichomes both before and after you wash. This makes a lot of sense. What brand (or style) do you use? I bought a handheld microscope with an LCD screen but it doesn't resolve the detail as well as I'd like so I'm thinking I need a better one. Does your microscope have a scale on it so you can get a sense for the size in microns of trichome heads?

2. How do you prepare fresh-frozen buds for washing? I did my first ever wash of fresh-frozen, roughly a pound of bud, and found after multiple washes that the buds were still very sticky and really hadn't recovered much hash at all. I'm wondering if the buds should be chopped up to expose surface area but am concerned that will rupture plant material and make my hash green.

Thank you again!
 
Hawoodrose

Hawoodrose

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Hi there !

I discover bubble hash many years ago, i love so much hash and extractions :D I made this one before i follow the french cannoli course in barcelona in spain. Now i make better hash with more bubble :D

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Mass Medicinals

Mass Medicinals

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Hey all couple questions. We have been making butter out of our trim. But have an 8 bag pack and want to give bubble has a go.

Questions:
What is the benefit of having 2 buckets? Is this a better method
After the first run, do you reuse the water that went through the entire bag set-up?

What are some simple ways to cure the hash?

Sorry these are pretty noobish questions, but we'd rather ask dumb questions now and not f up a hash run...
 
kratos015

kratos015

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Mass Medicinals said:
Hey all couple questions. We have been making butter out of our trim. But have an 8 bag pack and want to give bubble has a go.

Questions:
What is the benefit of having 2 buckets? Is this a better method
After the first run, do you reuse the water that went through the entire bag set-up?

What are some simple ways to cure the hash?

Sorry these are pretty noobish questions, but we'd rather ask dumb questions now and not f up a hash run...
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Having 2 buckets is important because it allows you to work quickly and more efficiently. You want things to be as cold as possible and even if you're in an air conditioned room doing this, you still want to work as quickly as you can. One bucket is for your work bag, the other bucket is what you put your bubble bags on to dump the water into. Put your trim in the work bag, stir the bag enough to break the resin glands off but not so much that you get chlorophyll and other impurities in the water. I like to gently agitate for my first run and then get more aggressive with my agitation on the second run. The result of doing this is having a first run that has little impurities in it and as a result is of a higher quality than the second run that has more impurities due to the extra agitation that comes with the second wash.

I don't reuse the water, I just use it to water any of my plants that need it. The bags pull some impurities via the 220µ and the 180µ bags, but your 25µ will also have some of the impurities. Whatever impurities those 3 bags don't catch will go straight into the water, and this is why you don't want to reuse the water. I use new water with every wash even, don't want your work bag being in dirty water or those impurities can get in your next batch.

Curing hash is similar to curing the actual flower, glass jar out of the light and out of temperatures above 85 ideally.

The best advice I can give you is to watch the videos at the beginning of this thread if you haven't already, they are quite informative. After that, get yourself started on a small run. If you have 5lbs of trim, try only running a QP at a time until you get a system going. Watching videos and such can be quite useful for sure, but that all pales in comparison to having actual experience with the process. Comes with time and practice my man.
 
Warpedpassage

Warpedpassage

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I am curious to know what kind of yields you folks get from this method.
For example, suppose i can get 10 grams from an ounce dry ice sifted. Or i can get about 5 grams pressed into rosin from that same ounce of flower. What kind of yield could i expect my combining the goodies from all the good bags (fresh frozen)? Would it be close to dry ice sift. Id like to press it into rosin anyways, so i can definitely wash more than once.
 
Mass Medicinals

Mass Medicinals

Well-Known Member
kratos015 said:
Having 2 buckets is important because it allows you to work quickly and more efficiently. You want things to be as cold as possible and even if you're in an air conditioned room doing this, you still want to work as quickly as you can. One bucket is for your work bag, the other bucket is what you put your bubble bags on to dump the water into. Put your trim in the work bag, stir the bag enough to break the resin glands off but not so much that you get chlorophyll and other impurities in the water. I like to gently agitate for my first run and then get more aggressive with my agitation on the second run. The result of doing this is having a first run that has little impurities in it and as a result is of a higher quality than the second run that has more impurities due to the extra agitation that comes with the second wash.

I don't reuse the water, I just use it to water any of my plants that need it. The bags pull some impurities via the 220µ and the 180µ bags, but your 25µ will also have some of the impurities. Whatever impurities those 3 bags don't catch will go straight into the water, and this is why you don't want to reuse the water. I use new water with every wash even, don't want your work bag being in dirty water or those impurities can get in your next batch.

Curing hash is similar to curing the actual flower, glass jar out of the light and out of temperatures above 85 ideally.

The best advice I can give you is to watch the videos at the beginning of this thread if you haven't already, they are quite informative. After that, get yourself started on a small run. If you have 5lbs of trim, try only running a QP at a time until you get a system going. Watching videos and such can be quite useful for sure, but that all pales in comparison to having actual experience with the process. Comes with time and practice my man.
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Thanks for the reply.

We did our first ice water extraction run. It was with frozen trim and a few buds. The total weight was between 200-300 grams of fresh frozen.

We started with too much ice not enough water. And ran with far too many bags. Since it is for personal we were okay with some impurities. And we were not gentle with the mixing. We are not going to re-use the water, but we are going to do a second filter run on the water collected.

We decided on a work bag (220microns) and then 3 catcher bags (90, 45 and 25 microns).

We have plants that are going to be harvested this week. Majority of the plant is not mature, so we may decide to turn the entire outdoor plants into hash. So that should be a lot of work, and hopefully a lot of end product too.
 
athomegrowing

athomegrowing

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Has anyone tried saltwater? It allows water to get lower temperature before freezing. A 10-percent salt solution freezes at 20 F (-6 C), and a 20-percent solution freezes at 2 F (-16 C).
 
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