ICE WAX (bubble hash) with Matt Rize

athomegrowing

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TreeFiddy350 said:
It doesn’t change? Well i gusss I’ll take another look. I appreciate the input amigo :)
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What you’re doing is the same. People come and propose a new idea but the ideas are just new ways to apply the principle. Example: thc grows in a globule on the surface of the leaf, buds, etc. to remove the thc from the surface you do what? Scrape it, or dissolve it. Now you’re aware of the two main methods. How you scrape it off or with what, and what you dissolve it in to rarely if ever changes. We’ve done it all and tried it all and it takes a laboratory and functioning government to outpace what we do here on boards like this.
 
TreeFiddy350

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athomegrowing said:
What you’re doing is the same. People come and propose a new idea but the ideas are just new ways to apply the principle. Example: thc grows in a globule on the surface of the leaf, buds, etc. to remove the thc from the surface you do what? Scrape it, or dissolve it. Now you’re aware of the two main methods. How you scrape it off or with what, and what you dissolve it in to rarely if ever changes. We’ve done it all and tried it all and it takes a laboratory and functioning government to outpace what we do here on boards like this.
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I appreciate it man. Glad you weren’t a complete dickhead or anything like that and actually explained your reasoning behind your answer. Again, I really appreciate it. Do you happen to have any wax that you’ve made?
 
MATTYMATT726

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Anybody active in this thread that is experienced in making bubble hash? Just tried it and felt i was understanding properly but started pulling out bags and seen nothing but water draining from each one. I have 220(mixing bag), 160, 120, 73 and 25 bags. Linned them in 5 gal bucket from small to large. Put a good layer of ice aboit 2 cubes high covering bottom and aboit an oz of buds in there. Buds wer not fi ely trimmed had sugars left but bigger leaves off. They were in the freezer for about 6 weeks just waiting. I but the buds in and same amou t of ice on top. I had 3x 2 liters of water in the fridge getting cold for aboit 12 hours. Filled them up and took about half to 3/4 bucket full. I stirred casualy up and down to bottom left and right for 15 minutes. I let the mix sit in fridge for 45 min before even stirring. When done stirring sat in the fridge again for 30 min. Started pulling bags and the 160 and 120 had zero left in them and the 73 barley had anything. Did i not stir hard enough? More time to let them fall off? Kind of bummed at the moment. It was GG4 and had loads of trichs on it before putting in. Heres a pic of the buds before and what my bucket lookex like.
 

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MATTYMATT726 said:
Anybody active in this thread that is experienced in making bubble hash? Just tried it and felt i was understanding properly but started pulling out bags and seen nothing but water draining from each one. I have 220(mixing bag), 160, 120, 73 and 25 bags. Linned them in 5 gal bucket from small to large. Put a good layer of ice aboit 2 cubes high covering bottom and aboit an oz of buds in there. Buds wer not fi ely trimmed had sugars left but bigger leaves off. They were in the freezer for about 6 weeks just waiting. I but the buds in and same amou t of ice on top. I had 3x 2 liters of water in the fridge getting cold for aboit 12 hours. Filled them up and took about half to 3/4 bucket full. I stirred casualy up and down to bottom left and right for 15 minutes. I let the mix sit in fridge for 45 min before even stirring. When done stirring sat in the fridge again for 30 min. Started pulling bags and the 160 and 120 had zero left in them and the 73 barley had anything. Did i not stir hard enough? More time to let them fall off? Kind of bummed at the moment. It was GG4 and had loads of trichs on it before putting in. Heres a pic of the buds before and what my bucket lookex like.
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That is no where near enough to wash you need at least 1/4 pound to make it worth the work.


Did you let your plants fully mature and finish or did you chop them early. If trichome heads don't mature. They wont get big enough to get caught in the bags

Also there is the factor of genetics... Strains that tend to produce trichomes with long or tall capitate stalks and small heads are not good strains for making hash. They will produce very little hash. You want short stalks and large heads

Then theres greasy strains like gorilla glue and mendo breath that pull very little each wash but take 2-3 times more washes than other strains to pull everything. Most strains you can pull all the trichome heads in 4-6 washes. Greasy strains take 8-12 washes to collect everything.
 
MATTYMATT726

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hyroot said:
That is no where near enough to wash you need at least 1/4 pound to make it worth the work.


Did you let your plants fully mature and finish or did you chop them early. If trichome heads don't mature. They wont get big enough to get caught in the bags

Also there is the factor of genetics... Strains that tend to produce trichomes with long or tall capitate stalks and small heads are not good strains for making hash. They will produce very little hash. You want short stalks and large heads

Then theres greasy strains like gorilla glue and mendo breath that pull very little each wash but take 2-3 times more washes than other strains to pull everything. Most strains you can pull all the trichome heads in 4-6 washes. Greasy strains take 8-12 washes to collect everything.
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Appriciate the reply, but I'm respectfully disagree with most of it based off all that i read before deciding to buy the dags and utilize some of my flowers that took time and work to grow on the process. Happy growing.
 
hyroot

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MATTYMATT726 said:
Appriciate the reply, but I'm respectfully disagree with most of it based off all that i read before deciding to buy the dags and utilize some of my flowers that took time and work to grow on the process. Happy growing.
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Reading and experience are 2 different things. This thread is very old. Theres several steps left out. Like after you wick moisture from the hash pucks you need to freeze the pucks for a few hours minimum before microplaning the pucks. Unless you sieve the pucks instead.

You can disagree all you want. But you would be wrong. Go speak to the top hash makers in the industry. They will all tell you the same things Then practice making bubble for 15 years then you will see I was 100% correct.

Most hash makers use freeze dryers instead of air drying these days too. If you or dry hash make sure it completely dries at temps below 65 degrees. And never dry hash on cardboard.

The best and most frosty trim typically gives a 10% return. Flower gives typically 20% return. Theres a few strains that can pull a 30% return. Thts why you want to wash minimum of a qp. You'll get 10-20 grams of bubble from a q-per. Then if you turn the into rosin. You'll get 30-80% return from the hash depending on how melty and terpy it is.

Fresh frozen will give you a slightly less yield than dry material. But fresh frozen will have more Terps and be more melty due to the soluble and volatile monoterpenes that would otherwise evaporate if the material was dried or if the hash had oxidized.
 
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MATTYMATT726

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hyroot said:
Reading and experience are 2 different things. This thread is very old. Theres several steps left out. Like after you wick moisture from the hash pucks you need to freeze the pucks for a few hours minimum before microplaning the pucks. Unless you sieve the pucks instead.

You can disagree all you want. But you would be wrong. Go speak to the top hash makers in the industry. They will all tell you the same things Then practice making bubble for 15 years then you will see I was 100% correct.

Most hash makers use freeze dryers instead of air drying these days too. If you or dry hash make sure it completely dries at temps below 65 degrees. And never dry hash on cardboard.

The best and most frosty trim typically gives a 10% return. Flower gives typically 20% return. Theres a few strains that can pull a 30% return. Thts why you want to wash minimum of a qp. You'll get 10-20 grams of bubble from a q-per. Then if you turn the into rosin. You'll get 30-80% return from the hash depending on how melty and terpy it is.

Fresh frozen will give you a slightly less yield than dry material. But fresh frozen will have more Terps and be more melty due to the soluble and volatile monoterpenes that would otherwise evaporate if the material was dried or if the hash had oxidized.
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Well, on you're 1st post alone you specify you need atleast 4 oz. That is a preference not a fact. I have seen TONS of guides and videos using 1oz. You asked about my flowers, they were definitely ready and were 80% indica. GG4 x 100% indica. I know that Sativas make lonher stalks and smaller heads and Indicas make shorter stalks and fatter heads so that would've been fine. ED Rosenthal himself(pretty famous in hash and MJ as a whole) said Glue is a top 5 for hash making. In fact he quotes 3 different samples of Glue grown by seperate people hitting 20% returns. No videos or tutorials have washed more than 3 times and most only do 2. 12 times is way to ridiculous. Grow weed easy uses 1 oz and washes 2x and get 6.? grams or about 20%. I don't discredit your abilities but i don't agree that i used to little, not properly done buds(definatley not trimmed good), not a bad strain for hash nor that i should've done it 12x. I do have a Blue Dream and frosty as all hell Green Crack comming down in 4-5 weeks latest and going to do trim only to see if i can get anything. I feel i did it right but only got a tiny amou t from 73 and 25 screen. Wouldn't even say a 1/2 gram. Really was a waste so i did something wrong. Maybe too little ice or way too much water. IDK. The ice was atleast 2 cubes thick on top and bottom and water went about 6" past the ice. Maybe water needs to be just covering the ice? Pics of my plant used.
 

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MATTYMATT726 said:
Well, on you're 1st post alone you specify you need atleast 4 oz. That is a preference not a fact. I have seen TONS of guides and videos using 1oz. You asked about my flowers, they were definitely ready and were 80% indica. GG4 x 100% indica. I know that Sativas make lonher stalks and smaller heads and Indicas make shorter stalks and fatter heads so that would've been fine. ED Rosenthal himself(pretty famous in hash and MJ as a whole) said Glue is a top 5 for hash making. In fact he quotes 3 different samples of Glue grown by seperate people hitting 20% returns. No videos or tutorials have washed more than 3 times and most only do 2. 12 times is way to ridiculous. Grow weed easy uses 1 oz and washes 2x and get 6.? grams or about 20%. I don't discredit your abilities but i don't agree that i used to little, not properly done buds(definatley not trimmed good), not a bad strain for hash nor that i should've done it 12x. I do have a Blue Dream and frosty as all hell Green Crack comming down in 4-5 weeks latest and going to do trim only to see if i can get anything. I feel i did it right but only got a tiny amou t from 73 and 25 screen. Wouldn't even say a 1/2 gram. Really was a waste so i did something wrong. Maybe too little ice or way too much water. IDK. The ice was atleast 2 cubes thick on top and bottom and water went about 6" past the ice. Maybe water needs to be just covering the ice? Pics of my plant used.
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I wouldn't ever quote ed. Hes. little behind on all the techniques

Personally I hate making bubble with gorilla glue 4. I grew it for 3 years. It's one of those greasy strains that takes about 8-10 washes to collect all the bubble. I use a 10 gallon washer or hand stir in 20 gal bags / trash cans. I prefer washing strains that take 4 -6 washes . Glue doubles the work load and the amount of ice and water. A 4 min wash, draining, straining, cleaning heads with a sprayer, wicking moisture and removing. Takes me 45 min total per wash. With glue that's 8 hours or being on my feet. Just for bubble

I don't have an RO system. So I fill up 5 gal jugs of water and make my own ice. Never use tap water for bubble. I go through about 30 gallon of water and and 30 gallons of ice. That adds up too.

Then also clean every thing with peroxide and 99% alcohol before initial wash and after last wash. Bags only alcohol. Peroxide will damage the bags.

The 3 wash videos. Are just basic tutorials. Matt Rize's videos he was washing sour diesel. That dumps all the heads in 3 to 4 washes. Every strains, cannabinoid profile.and terpene profile is different. Those are all factors in washes. Frenchy videos he does 8 washes, nikka t's video he does 6 washes. Bubblemans videos he even does 4 to 10 washes.

If you look up hyroot pharms on YouTube. I did a 3 video tutorial on making bubble on a budget (a few years ago). Each video is 5 min showing ech phase. I think I only show 1 wash. I did several washes though.

Typically you want more ice than water. Than vary with washers depending on their speed. You do want to be gentle so not to bet up the material too much so you dont get any plant matter in the hash. So being gentle is key to the best quality aside from starting material.


With yours. I'm thinking now you needed to.do several more washes especially since its glue
 
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Matt Rize said:
Pictured below is my full melt hash bowl. There are three holes around the top inside of the bowl that allow the smoke to be pulled into your bong/chalice. The bottom of the bowl is solid, like a dish. A glass rod is heated and then inserted into the bowl. The hash melts and turns to smoke, but the oily mess has nowhere to go because the bowl's holes are at the top. This allows smoking full melt hash with no metal screens or flowers in the mix. Pure and clean.
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Thats awsome
 
TreeFiddy350

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hyroot said:
I wouldn't ever quote ed. Hes. little behind on all the techniques

Personally I hate making bubble with gorilla glue 4. I grew it for 3 years. It's one of those greasy strains that takes about 8-10 washes to collect all the bubble. I use a 10 gallon washer or hand stir in 20 gal bags / trash cans. I prefer washing strains that take 4 -6 washes . Glue doubles the work load and the amount of ice and water. A 4 min wash, draining, straining, cleaning heads with a sprayer, wicking moisture and removing. Takes me 45 min total per wash. With glue that's 8 hours or being on my feet. Just for bubble

I don't have an RO system. So I fill up 5 gal jugs of water and make my own ice. Never use tap water for bubble. I go through about 30 gallon of water and and 30 gallons of ice. That adds up too.

Then also clean every thing with peroxide and 99% alcohol before initial wash and after last wash. Bags only alcohol. Peroxide will damage the bags.

The 3 wash videos. Are just basic tutorials. Matt Rize's videos he was washing sour diesel. That dumps all the heads in 3 to 4 washes. Every strains, cannabinoid profile.and terpene profile is different. Those are all factors in washes. Frenchy videos he does 8 washes, nikka t's video he does 6 washes. Bubblemans videos he even does 4 to 10 washes.

If you look up hyroot pharms on YouTube. I did a 3 video tutorial on making bubble on a budget (a few years ago). Each video is 5 min showing ech phase. I think I only show 1 wash. I did several washes though.

Typically you want more ice than water. Than vary with washers depending on their speed. You do want to be gentle so not to bet up the material too much so you dont get any plant matter in the hash. So being gentle is key to the best quality aside from starting material.


With yours. I'm thinking now you needed to.do several more washes especially since its glue
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Do you have any pictures of some stuff that you made? I would love to be able to make some amazing live resin
 
kratos015

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hyroot said:
I wouldn't ever quote ed. Hes. little behind on all the techniques

Personally I hate making bubble with gorilla glue 4. I grew it for 3 years. It's one of those greasy strains that takes about 8-10 washes to collect all the bubble. I use a 10 gallon washer or hand stir in 20 gal bags / trash cans. I prefer washing strains that take 4 -6 washes . Glue doubles the work load and the amount of ice and water. A 4 min wash, draining, straining, cleaning heads with a sprayer, wicking moisture and removing. Takes me 45 min total per wash. With glue that's 8 hours or being on my feet. Just for bubble

I don't have an RO system. So I fill up 5 gal jugs of water and make my own ice. Never use tap water for bubble. I go through about 30 gallon of water and and 30 gallons of ice. That adds up too.

Then also clean every thing with peroxide and 99% alcohol before initial wash and after last wash. Bags only alcohol. Peroxide will damage the bags.

The 3 wash videos. Are just basic tutorials. Matt Rize's videos he was washing sour diesel. That dumps all the heads in 3 to 4 washes. Every strains, cannabinoid profile.and terpene profile is different. Those are all factors in washes. Frenchy videos he does 8 washes, nikka t's video he does 6 washes. Bubblemans videos he even does 4 to 10 washes.

If you look up hyroot pharms on YouTube. I did a 3 video tutorial on making bubble on a budget (a few years ago). Each video is 5 min showing ech phase. I think I only show 1 wash. I did several washes though.

Typically you want more ice than water. Than vary with washers depending on their speed. You do want to be gentle so not to bet up the material too much so you dont get any plant matter in the hash. So being gentle is key to the best quality aside from starting material.


With yours. I'm thinking now you needed to.do several more washes especially since its glue
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Hey Hyroot, I know this post was from a while ago but I was still hoping you'd answer something for me pertaining to the sentence in bold.

I've always read and practiced being gentle enough with agitation to not get plant matter in the hash. But something I just realized is that we have bags for the sole purpose of collecting the trash/plant matter/etc, so even if the material gets agitated too much wouldn't the trash bags catch it? Or does the micron sizes of plant matter vary enough to get caught in the 120-73 micron bags if agitated too much? I'm quite curious to know the answer, because if we have enough trash sized micron bags to collect trash/plant matter then would it be possible to agitate more than normal so that it takes less runs to completely extract the glands? I've always agitated by hand and not a machine/washer, but I've been wondering that if I was a little more vigorous in my agitation then would I be able to get away with less washes?

I've only just recently thought of this and I'm not on a commercial enough scale to test this hypothesis of mine myself. I was hoping that you'd have the answer to that question for me considering your experience.

Thanks for your time my man!
 
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kratos015 said:
Hey Hyroot, I know this post was from a while ago but I was still hoping you'd answer something for me pertaining to the sentence in bold.

I've always read and practiced being gentle enough with agitation to not get plant matter in the hash. But something I just realized is that we have bags for the sole purpose of collecting the trash/plant matter/etc, so even if the material gets agitated too much wouldn't the trash bags catch it? Or does the micron sizes of plant matter vary enough to get caught in the 120-73 micron bags if agitated too much? I'm quite curious to know the answer, because if we have enough trash sized micron bags to collect trash/plant matter then would it be possible to agitate more than normal so that it takes less runs to completely extract the glands? I've always agitated by hand and not a machine/washer, but I've been wondering that if I was a little more vigorous in my agitation then would I be able to get away with less washes?

I've only just recently thought of this and I'm not on a commercial enough scale to test this hypothesis of mine myself. I was hoping that you'd have the answer to that question for me considering your experience.

Thanks for your time my man!
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Plant matter will still get through if you are too rough.
 
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Mass Medicinals said:
wow @BigHornBuds! I tried to get to that point but the resin just attached to my gloves in a sticky mess. Super impressed / slightly jealous. :D
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Try starting your press with parchment paper to start the form , if it starts getting to warm, toss in the freezer for a couple mins.

You need to move fast when forming n polishing the temple ball with your hands, if I stop moving it will melt n stick to the gloves
 
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