Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

Genetically Engineered Cannabis yes or no?


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echelon1k1

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I am old enough to remember all the science fiction movies were scientists greatest goal was to solve world hunger

Wonder why that is a bad thing now
It's not but the rhetoric is the same lines that ushered in the green revolution. All talk... Biotechs wanna make cash off GMOs and people within the industry have already stated that in todays day and age world hunger CAN be solved...

The problem is poor people don't have the cash to pay for food as it is or they wouldn't be malnourished and starving...
 

Doer

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It's not but the rhetoric is the same lines that ushered in the green revolution. All talk... Biotechs wanna make cash off GMOs and people within the industry have already stated that in todays day and age world hunger CAN be solved...

The problem is poor people don't have the cash to pay for food as it is or they wouldn't be malnourished and starving...
Well then we have to go up to why they don't have cash and why the country has no food, for them.
 

DNAprotection

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I still can't find a study that shows GMO crops are not safe to consume.

Why are eco terrorist ripping up Golden Rice trials? I know they hate science.
Do they hate third world countries?
Do they want more blind children?

http://www.goldenrice.org/
and let me guess, you probably believe the feds and their 'studies' that have demanded (lol) all these years that cannabis has no medical value etc...
in any case the FDA chickens don't test GE species to my knowledge (if I remember correctly gmo's are exempt from FDA testing), all the testing is done by the foxes = monsanto et al ;)
 

Doer

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and let me guess, you probably believe the feds and their 'studies' that have demanded (lol) all these years that cannabis has no medical value etc...
in any case the FDA chickens don't test GE species to my knowledge (if I remember correctly gmo's are exempt from FDA testing), all the testing is done by the foxes = monsanto et al ;)
Well I don't believe any of it. And to my knowledge no studies have been done like that to the standards of science.
 

Trousers

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and let me guess, you probably believe the feds and their 'studies' that have demanded (lol) all these years that cannabis has no medical value etc...
The feds have nothing to do with GMO.
You have very little understanding of the issue. The "Feds" can not stop scientists from studying GMO crops. They can stop people from studying cannabis. You are comparing apples and elephants.

There has not been one study that shows that GMO crops are not safe to consume.

You post junk science from blogs and nature journals. It is embarrassing.


in any case the FDA chickens don't test GE species to my knowledge (if I remember correctly gmo's are exempt from FDA testing), all the testing is done by the foxes = monsanto et al ;)
Well again you are wrong. Are you claiming that all the testing done on GMO crops has been done by
"Monsanto et al"?

You really are not paying attention to what is going on.

Golden rice was made to help reduce blindness in children in poorer countries. There is not a way to make much money off of this.
Idiot eco terrorists have ripped up trials of Golden Rice in the Philippines. Golden rice could reduce nutrition based blindness in countries like the Phillipines.

Like everything there is good and bad. I am not denying that Monsanto has done some very shady things, but Monsanto is not the only one in the world involved in GMO crops. You link the two as if they were inseparable.

If you want to believe that all GMO crops or horrible and will cause the end of humans, that is fine. But your opinion is not based in anything concrete, just rumors and eco terrorists shouting.
 

Doer

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Corporations if shady, in a legal sense, like Enron are taken down

Monsanto has never been lawfully accused of anything that was not legally settled.
 

ChesusRice

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Why should Monsanto and ADM et al make money on their research

Scientists and research are free. We bought 2 German Shepherd puppies in the last year. Why did the breeders charge us money? I'm not understanding how these greedy assholes get away with it
 

Doer

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Why should Monsanto and ADM et al make money on their research

Scientists and research are free. We bought 2 German Shepherd puppies in the last year. Why did the breeders charge us money? I'm not understanding how these greedy assholes get away with it
I can tell you made it into the secret free money club. Good job.
 

DNAprotection

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Thankfully this form of 'crime against nature' is recognized...:


"Idaho man who dresses as dog had sex with cat:"

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/idaho-man-dresses-dog-sex-cat-cops-article-1.1425776#ixzz2c3I7aUJ3
(excerpt)
"Ryan Havens Tannenholz, a self-identified "furry," or someone who wears anthropomorphic animal fur suits, was charged with six felony counts of crimes against nature and one misdemeanor count of cruelty to an animal."


...unfortunately though pillaging through and rearranging the genetic sequencing of a species for profit is not...


 

M1dAmber

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High thc numbers is one thing, but they may genetically alter cannabis to do any number of things to your body.

Hell, it is all about money right? Like most corporations?
What is stopping them from genetically altering cannabis in a way that makes it physically addicting?
A super strong 40%+ THC plant that you literally CAN'T put down. ;)
Think about it. They can alter these seeds to do any number of things. They could even make it to where female plants naturally grow sterile, making breeding with these strains impossible, and eventually ALL strains once the genetic pool gets muddied. This way, they are the only ones with plants that can breed and make seeds.

I think that humans as a species are too eager for control of everything on earth.
One day we will genetically modify every animal and plant to "fit our needs" and we won't have anything natural left. No natural animals and no natural plants.
Then, these plants and animals will die off because we didn't stop to think about long term effects and how changing animals and plants ALSO requires you to put them in a habitat that fits how they have changed. Without a habitat for each and every modified crop and animal, they will die off.

Honestly, this is the EXACT reason I started breeding and creating my OWN fucking seeds. Mark my words, these GM companies WILL ruin cannabis, it is just a matter of time.
Meanwhile, I will have a stock of NON-gm seeds.
 

Trousers

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Thankfully this form of 'crime against nature' is recognized...:


"Idaho man who dresses as dog had sex with cat:"

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/idaho-man-dresses-dog-sex-cat-cops-article-1.1425776#ixzz2c3I7aUJ3
(excerpt)
"Ryan Havens Tannenholz, a self-identified "furry," or someone who wears anthropomorphic animal fur suits, was charged with six felony counts of crimes against nature and one misdemeanor count of cruelty to an animal."


...unfortunately though pillaging through and rearranging the genetic sequencing of a species for profit is not...




Your credibility is pushing up against zero.
Can you back up your claim that GMO crops are not safe to consume with something?


I have ADD too.
 

Rob Roy

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Why should Monsanto and ADM et al make money on their research

Scientists and research are free. We bought 2 German Shepherd puppies in the last year. Why did the breeders charge us money? I'm not understanding how these greedy assholes get away with it
Does Monsanto own any puppies your dogs may have?
 

Trousers

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Trousers

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Debating GMOs with out science behind you is like going to a gun fight with a wiffle ball bat.
I guess a few million clueless people with wiffle ball bats can be convincing.

French Government, Europe Captured By Junk Science on GMOs, Say Expert Scientists
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/06/12/french-government-europe-captured-by-junk-science-on-gmos-say-expert-scientists/


The junk science clowns behind the GMO scare
http://www.troymedia.com/2013/03/06/the-junk-science-clowns-behind-the-gmo-scare/

Is there really a science-based GMO controversy?
http://www.aei.org/article/energy-and-the-environment/is-there-really-a-science-based-gmo-controversy-false-balance-captures-discover-magazine/
 

ChesusRice

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Debating GMOs with out science behind you is like going to a gun fight with a wiffle ball bat.
I guess a few million clueless people with wiffle ball bats can be convincing.

French Government, Europe Captured By Junk Science on GMOs, Say Expert Scientists
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/06/12/french-government-europe-captured-by-junk-science-on-gmos-say-expert-scientists/


The junk science clowns behind the GMO scare
http://www.troymedia.com/2013/03/06/the-junk-science-clowns-behind-the-gmo-scare/

Is there really a science-based GMO controversy?
http://www.aei.org/article/energy-and-the-environment/is-there-really-a-science-based-gmo-controversy-false-balance-captures-discover-magazine/
My facebook page is infested with 2 freinds who are also into Homepathy

Try to make a link between the homeopathy and being anti GMO (and vaccines ,raw milk and treating impotence with horny goat weed)
 

DNAprotection

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You are really good at avoiding what you do not believe in and posting terrible sites with dubious information and opinions.
You should get some organic, free trade butter and use it to help remove your head from where it is stuck.
Sad to say that apparently your not so great at reading, if you were then you would have discovered (many times repeated in this thread) that for me its not so much about gmo's being harmful to humans per say, its about proper respect for our relatives...no doubt you have no clue what that means so here is some stuff more based on your desired 'debate' and level of self awareness :D

http://www.responsibletechnology.org/10-Reasons-to-Avoid-GMOs
[h=2]10 Reasons to Avoid GMOs[/h] 1. GMOs are unhealthy.
The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) urges doctors to prescribe non-GMO diets for all patients. They cite animal studies showing organ damage, gastrointestinal and immune system disorders, accelerated aging, and infertility. Human studies show how genetically modified (GM) food can leave material behind inside us, possibly causing long-term problems. Genes inserted into GM soy, for example, can transfer into the DNA of bacteria living inside us, and that the toxic insecticide produced by GM corn was found in the blood of pregnant women and their unborn fetuses.
Numerous health problems increased after GMOs were introduced in 1996. The percentage of Americans with three or more chronic illnesses jumped from 7% to 13% in just 9 years; food allergies skyrocketed, and disorders such as autism, reproductive disorders, digestive problems, and others are on the rise. Although there is not sufficient research to confirm that GMOs are a contributing factor, doctors groups such as the AAEM tell us not to wait before we start protecting ourselves, and especially our children who are most at risk.
The American Public Health Association and American Nurses Association are among many medical groups that condemn the use of GM bovine growth hormone, because the milk from treated cows has more of the hormone IGF-1 (insulin-like growth factor 1)―which is linked to cancer.

2. GMOs contaminate―forever.
GMOs cross pollinate and their seeds can travel. It is impossible to fully clean up our contaminated gene pool. Self-propagating GMO pollution will outlast the effects of global warming and nuclear waste. The potential impact is huge, threatening the health of future generations. GMO contamination has also caused economic losses for organic and non-GMO farmers who often struggle to keep their crops pure.

3. GMOs increase herbicide use.
Most GM crops are engineered to be "herbicide tolerant"―they deadly weed killer. Monsanto, for example, sells Roundup Ready crops, designed to survive applications of their Roundup herbicide.

Between 1996 and 2008, US farmers sprayed an extra 383 million pounds of herbicide on GMOs. Overuse of Roundup results in "superweeds," resistant to the herbicide. This is causing farmers to use even more toxic herbicides every year. Not only does this create environmental harm, GM foods contain higher residues of toxic herbicides. Roundup, for example, is linked with sterility, hormone disruption, birth defects, and cancer.

4. Genetic engineering creates dangerous side effects.
By mixing genes from totally unrelated species, genetic engineering unleashes a host of unpredictable side effects. Moreover, irrespective of the type of genes that are inserted, the very process of creating a GM plant can result in massive collateral damage that produces new toxins, allergens, carcinogens, and nutritional deficiencies.

5. Government oversight is dangerously lax.
Most of the health and environmental risks of GMOs are ignored by governments' superficial regulations and safety assessments. The reason for this tragedy is largely political. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), for example, doesn't require a single safety study, does not mandate labeling of GMOs, and allows companies to put their GM foods onto the market without even notifying the agency. Their justification was the claim that they had no information showing that GM foods were substantially different. But this was a lie. Secret agency memos made public by a lawsuit show that the overwhelming consensus even among the FDA's own scientists was that GMOs can create unpredictable, hard-to-detect side effects. They urged long-term safety studies. But the White House had instructed the FDA to promote biotechnology, and the agency official in charge of policy was Michael Taylor, Monsanto's former attorney, later their vice president. He's now the US Food Safety Czar.

6. The biotech industry uses "tobacco science" to claim product safety.

Biotech companies like Monsanto told us that Agent Orange, PCBs, and DDT were safe. They are now using the same type of superficial, rigged research to try and convince us that GMOs are safe. Independent scientists, however, have caught the spin-masters red-handed, demonstrating without doubt how industry-funded research is designed to avoid finding problems, and how adverse findings are distorted or denied.

7. Independent research and reporting is attacked and suppressed.
Scientists who discover problems with GMOs have been attacked, gagged, fired, threatened, and denied funding. The journal Nature acknowledged that a "large block of scientists . . . denigrate research by other legitimate scientists in a knee-jerk, partisan, emotional way that is not helpful in advancing knowledge." Attempts by media to expose problems are also often censored.

8. GMOs harm the environment.

GM crops and their associated herbicides can harm birds, insects, amphibians, marine ecosystems, and soil organisms. They reduce bio-diversity, pollute water resources, and are unsustainable. For example, GM crops are eliminating habitat for monarch butterflies, whose populations are down 50% in the US. Roundup herbicide has been shown to cause birth defects in amphibians, embryonic deaths and endocrine disruptions, and organ damage in animals even at very low doses. GM canola has been found growing wild in North Dakota and California, threatening to pass on its herbicide tolerant genes on to weeds.

9. GMOs do not increase yields, and work against feeding a hungry world.
Whereas sustainable non-GMO agricultural methods used in developing countries have conclusively resulted in yield increases of 79% and higher, GMOs do not, on average, increase yields at all. This was evident in the Union of Concerned Scientists' 2009 report Failure to Yield―the definitive study to date on GM crops and yield.

The International Assessment of Agricultural Knowledge, Science and Technology for Development (IAASTD) report, authored by more than 400 scientists and backed by 58 governments, stated that GM crop yields were "highly variable" and in some cases, "yields declined." The report noted, "Assessment of the technology lags behind its development, information is anecdotal and contradictory, and uncertainty about possible benefits and damage is unavoidable." They determined that the current GMOs have nothing to offer the goals of reducing hunger and poverty, improving nutrition, health and rural livelihoods, and facilitating social and environmental sustainability.
On the contrary, GMOs divert money and resources that would otherwise be spent on more safe, reliable, and appropriate technologies.

10. By avoiding GMOs, you contribute to the coming tipping point of consumer rejection, forcing them out of our food supply.
Because GMOs give no consumer benefits, if even a small percentage of us start rejecting brands that contain them, GM ingredients will become a marketing liability. Food companies will kick them out. In Europe, for example, the tipping point was achieved in 1999, just after a high profile GMO safety scandal hit the papers and alerted citizens to the potential dangers. In the US, a consumer rebellion against GM bovine growth hormone has also reached a tipping point, kicked the cow drug out of dairy products by Wal-Mart, Starbucks, Dannon, Yoplait, and most of America's dairies.

The Campaign for Healthier Eating in America is designed to achieve a tipping point against GMOs in the US. The number of non-GMO shoppers needed is probably just 5% of the population. The key is to educate consumers about the documented health dangers and provide a Non-GMO Shopping Guide to make avoiding GMOs much easier.

Please choose healthier non-GMO brands, tell others about GMOs so they can do the same, and join the Non-GMO Tipping Point Network. Together we can quickly reclaim a non-GMO food supply.
 
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